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Post by senojbor on Sept 30, 2011 18:53:19 GMT
The Arabs were regarded as somewhat 'sub human' by the western powers so their fate was regarded as of little consequence ... Ask the family of Ken Bigley their views on Arabs. Many Arab states still operate cruel and downright inhumane practices. They'd take us back to the stone age given half the chance. Public stonings, beheadings, amputations, flogging, blinding and other forms of mutilations are common practices in many Muslim states for a host of minor misdemeanours . It's really not about the displacement of Palestinians at all, if the Israeli state was Islamic they'd all get along fine. The hate the fact that a democratic state that is non-Islamic even exists in the middle east.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:13:16 GMT
couple of ppl here Be ashamed of themselves, they judge countries and say realy bad racist stuff with no idea about anything, but thats cool, small ppl never hurted Israel who kicked Egypt, Sryia, Iraq, Jordan ass every time they attacked us,
also, involving football with politics is realy low, and if you think your so cool and proud of your big dicks, come to israel and sing your racist songs, just remember no one will protect you after that.
seriously, i came here as a israeli Maccabi/stoke fan, realy excited bout the game, talked with couple of amazing ppl in here, met friends and more, but theres ppl in here which got no brain, do you even think when you write this kind of bullshit? no one has the right to judge countries when he has no clue what actually happens inside of them, like i dont judge GB for being imperialist.
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Post by frogs_carer on Sept 30, 2011 19:14:17 GMT
This thread has gone very serious
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Post by elfenomeno on Sept 30, 2011 19:17:31 GMT
The Arabs were regarded as somewhat 'sub human' by the western powers so their fate was regarded as of little consequence ... Ask the family of Ken Bigley their views on Arabs. Many Arab states still operate cruel and downright inhumane practices. They'd take us back to the stone age given half the chance. Public stonings, beheadings, amputations, flogging, blinding and other forms of mutilations are common practices in many Muslim states for a host of minor misdemeanours . It's really not about the displacement of Palestinians at all, if the Israeli state was Islamic they'd all get along fine. The hate the fact that a democratic state that is non-Islamic even exists in the middle east. It's got nothing to do with the Islam. Turkey is a Muslim country aswell, but we're a secular state. We don't behead, do public stoning. Arabs just chose to be like that. It's about evolving. They didn't choose to evolve. It doesn't mean losing faith in Islam, or turning your back on the religion. They still don't get that. They got stuck in the Midieval times. Turks dislike Arabs. Reffer to them as backstabbers, for turning their back on the Ottoman Empire. But still, what Israel's doing, is unhuman and a disgrace to the world.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:21:45 GMT
Turks dislike Arabs. Reffer to them as backstabbers, for turning their back on the Ottoman Empire. But still, what Israel's doing, is unhuman and a disgrace to the world. its a nice story. with great effects, and everything, but israel is doing the same thing Turkey is doing to Kurdistan and to Cyprus, so shut up please
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Post by senojbor on Sept 30, 2011 19:21:55 GMT
couple of ppl here Be ashamed of themselves, they judge countries and say realy bad racist stuff with no idea about anything, but thats cool, small ppl never hurted Israel who kicked Egypt, Sryia, Iraq, Jordan ass every time they attacked us, also, involving football with politics is realy low, and if you think your so cool and proud of your big dicks, come to israel and sing your racist songs, just remember no one will protect you after that. seriously, i came here as a israeli Maccabi/stoke fan, realy excited bout the game, talked with couple of amazing ppl in here, met friends and more, but theres ppl in here which got no brain, do you even think when you write this kind of bullshit? no one has the right to judge countries when he has no clue what actually happens inside of them, like i dont judge GB for being imperialist. Chill, free speech and all that..
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 30, 2011 19:23:13 GMT
Can't wait to go to be honest. Looking forward to a few beers on the beach.
I'll look forward to it even more now i know there's no chance of bumping into Mr Anti Stoke waving his red cards about. If he'd have had his way we wouldn't be in Europe in the first place. Once a bell end...
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:26:15 GMT
couple of ppl here Be ashamed of themselves, they judge countries and say realy bad racist stuff with no idea about anything, but thats cool, small ppl never hurted Israel who kicked Egypt, Sryia, Iraq, Jordan ass every time they attacked us, also, involving football with politics is realy low, and if you think your so cool and proud of your big dicks, come to israel and sing your racist songs, just remember no one will protect you after that. seriously, i came here as a israeli Maccabi/stoke fan, realy excited bout the game, talked with couple of amazing ppl in here, met friends and more, but theres ppl in here which got no brain, do you even think when you write this kind of bullshit? no one has the right to judge countries when he has no clue what actually happens inside of them, like i dont judge GB for being imperialist. Chill, free speech and all that.. Racism is disgusting, if its racism to Arabs, Muslim, Jews or Israelis, and racism aint a part of Free-Speech, if some 1 say bad things with no proves, or real idea what happends, thats disgusting, writing on the net such a bullshit talks about israel freaks me out, i got so many messeges from ppl in here who were in israel and said its the best place ever, and ppl in here just read from their newspapers so they dont realy know what happends, so i should ignore them, they were right, so now i will start ignoring, before i take it personally. and seriously, its not about free speech - its about being a person with respect to others. when ppl say horrible things about other ppl its not realy cool.
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Post by sihanouk on Sept 30, 2011 19:27:55 GMT
...You're just a small town in Egypt... Anything is better than the cringeworthy 'Stoke will tear you apart again' H + RAF embarrassing to hear
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 30, 2011 19:29:14 GMT
Maccabi,
Waiting for Waddo is the biggest tool on this message board. Take no notice.
I'm looking forward to spending 3 days in Tel Aviv, hopefully the weather will be fine for the trip. From what I hear it's a top city.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2011 19:29:21 GMT
and if you think your so cool and proud of your big dicks, I'm very proud of my big dick, I think we all are. "Our Cocks are massive, our cocks are massivee, We're Stoke City our cocks are massive!!!" On a serious note though lets all be friends now
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 19:29:43 GMT
So. Maccabi, do you agree with Ben Gurion, Dayan and Gandhi or not? Israel is THE biggest problem on the world stage right now and needs sorting out.
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Post by elfenomeno on Sept 30, 2011 19:29:57 GMT
No Jew, first educate yourself. We're not doing the same to Cyprus and "Kurdistan". Don't confuse us with your own unhuman manners of declaring "war" to a country. We've enterd Cyprus in 1974, after the continuis attacks on the Turkish civilians. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is seperated. Turks living North, the Greek offsprings living South.
You don't know any ratshit about Kurds. Millions of Kurds live happily in Turkey, along with Turks and are often reffered as "brothers". It's the terrorist organisation PKK which Turkey is fighting against, a organisation sponsord by your Zionist nation. Fuck me, our boys are not even allowed to shoot terrorist before an order coming from the higher generals.
We don't ban a whole nation from the rest of the world. Free Gaza.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:31:37 GMT
Maccabi, Waiting for Waddo is the biggest tool on this message board. Take no notice. I'm looking forward to spending 3 days in Tel Aviv, hopefully the weather will be fine for the trip. From what I hear it's a top city. It'll be awesome, the sun allways shine over israel theres less than 25 rainy days a year in here..
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2011 19:33:08 GMT
So. Maccabi, do you agree with Ben Gurion, Dayan and Gandhi or not? Israel is THE biggest problem on the world stage right now and needs sorting out. Stop goading him waddo. The only person on this messageboard that is allowed to be goaded & hounded is you. Thought you knew this by now ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:37:27 GMT
So. Maccabi, do you agree with Ben Gurion, Dayan and Gandhi or not? Israel is THE biggest problem on the world stage right now and needs sorting out. Israel is the biggest problem? the conflict is the biggest problem. the palestinians would get their country years ago if they realy wanted the west bank only, they choosed Hamas for their goverment back then in 2007, Hamas want all israel for the palestines, they dont want peace, they get supported by Iran, their terrorists and they want to kill all of us. right now, the palestinian goverment is fine, but they want to many things, this conflict is too complicated to say "Israel are Evil, Palestinians suffer and suffer" so i got news for you, i was in the West-Bank alot of times, ppl in there live how they want, theres an actual country there with their own police and rules, theres rich ppl and poor ppl, theres economy (which is based on israel money of course), and they got free speech and everything. The problem - they want more than they deserve, they want more than they got in the United Nations in 1947, and they will never be happy with what they got. im not saying were right, cause we should have finished this conflict years ago by now, but right now its realy complicated. when ppl here are saying what israel is doing is digrace they got NO IDEA what their talking about, probably cause they were never been to israel. i invite every guy here which get to ISrael in a month, and show him how wonderful this country is, also how the arabs has free speech, and the right to do what ever they want, with all the rights, like the jews here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 19:39:02 GMT
So. Maccabi, do you agree with Ben Gurion, Dayan and Gandhi or not? Israel is THE biggest problem on the world stage right now and needs sorting out. Mmmm....The Americans don't see it that way but your're correct. They see it as a 'foothold' in the middle east which has been strengthened somewhat by the war in Iraq. The Israelis have a lot to answer for, whilst the west stands idly by. I'm sure most of the Israeli's are decent people , but I also think that they have an inherant fear of intervention from foreign governments and deep down would prefer to follow the stance taken by its own government. They seem intent on fighting their corner regardless of the consequences to the Palestinians.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:42:18 GMT
No Jew, first educate yourself. We're not doing the same to Cyprus and "Kurdistan". Don't confuse us with your own unhuman manners of declaring "war" to a country. We've enterd Cyprus in 1974, after the continuis attacks on the Turkish civilians. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is seperated. Turks living North, the Greek offsprings living South. You don't know any ratshit about Kurds. Millions of Kurds live happily in Turkey, along with Turks and are often reffered as "brothers". It's the terrorist organisation PKK which Turkey is fighting against, a organisation sponsord by your Zionist nation. Fuck me, our boys are not even allowed to shoot terrorist before an order coming from the higher generals. We don't ban a whole nation from the rest of the world. Free Gaza. Hahahah, you see how this shit is pissing off? you also got no idea what happends in israel, Gazza is free, they get all the food they need, they got all the medications and they get everything, if you had and actualy idea you would know the only thing aint allowed to enter gazza is Weapons, Gazza waters are controlled by us - we dont let them enter weapons or anything else, all the humanitary things - are going to gazza. Gazza is fully Controlled by The Hamas, if you had any idea what your talking about you would know israeli left Gazza in 2005. but hey, talking bullshit on the net is great without understanding the situation. what bout the reality?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2011 19:44:24 GMT
This thread has gone very serious [/quote ...and I dont know why. The Stokies who have been on the 12th Player Forum have been welcomed and not a slight bit of anti English feeling. Any chance we can drop the ill conceived comments & get back onto football matters?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 30, 2011 19:44:47 GMT
We as British are in no fucking postion to judge most of it as we are directly or indirectly responsible along with others for the cluster fuck of nonsense that now exists. GD This. The British a far from blameless for the entire situation in the Middle East.
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Post by AlanHansen on Sept 30, 2011 19:46:20 GMT
Maccabi,
Seriously, dont waste your time replying to waiting for waddo. He's a small man with no friends, a tool of the highest order.
You won't win an argument with him, people have been battling with him on this message board for years. He simply keeps coming back with his negative drivel, after we lose only of course.
Just ignore him. You don't have to justify yourself or your country to anyone, least of all him.
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Post by chorleystoke on Sept 30, 2011 19:48:22 GMT
Politics and religion stay clear - nothing but trouble
Football - is the only way forward for this world
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2011 19:52:36 GMT
Why would anyone want to see Gazza strip??
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 19:53:17 GMT
This thread has gone very serious [/quote ...and I dont know why. The Stokies who have been on the 12th Player Forum have been welcomed and not a slight bit of anti English feeling. Any chance we can drop the ill conceived comments & get back onto football matters? Ppl from this kind established the Racism back in the days, hate based on nothing but lies. you cannot ignore something like that, its like someone will curse your family, lies from this kind on the net made israel look like that from first place.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 30, 2011 19:56:42 GMT
i really can't understand why people who live in England feel qualified to comment on a complex situation in the middle east when they haven't got a fucking clue on the reality of life there. Stick to contemplating the merits of Huth or Woodgate as centre half, at least you should have some reasonable knowledge on that subject?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2011 20:00:21 GMT
Some people on here would think Palestine is a modelling clay that Morph was made out of....
Stick to football.
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Post by elfenomeno on Sept 30, 2011 20:00:41 GMT
No Jew, first educate yourself. We're not doing the same to Cyprus and "Kurdistan". Don't confuse us with your own unhuman manners of declaring "war" to a country. We've enterd Cyprus in 1974, after the continuis attacks on the Turkish civilians. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is seperated. Turks living North, the Greek offsprings living South. You don't know any ratshit about Kurds. Millions of Kurds live happily in Turkey, along with Turks and are often reffered as "brothers". It's the terrorist organisation PKK which Turkey is fighting against, a organisation sponsord by your Zionist nation. Fuck me, our boys are not even allowed to shoot terrorist before an order coming from the higher generals. We don't ban a whole nation from the rest of the world. Free Gaza. Hahahah, you see how this shit is pissing off? you also got no idea what happends in israel, Gazza is free, they get all the food they need, they got all the medications and they get everything, if you had and actualy idea you would know the only thing aint allowed to enter gazza is Weapons, Gazza waters are controlled by us - we dont let them enter weapons or anything else, all the humanitary things - are going to gazza. Gazza is fully Controlled by The Hamas, if you had any idea what your talking about you would know israeli left Gazza in 2005. but hey, talking bullshit on the net is great without understanding the situation. what bout the reality? Propaganda at it's highest. Jesus Christ, you think that we don't follow the media ? Israel blocked shipment of food, fuel and all other supplies into the Gaza Strip not too long ago. You we're begging the Egyptians for not opening their borders with the Gaza Strip. The whole fucking world knows you have whole Gaza under your control, abandoned from the outside world wehenever you want. Your Zionist country didn't even allow FOOD SUPPLIES into the Gaza Strip, and your talking about entering "Weapons" Gaza ain't free, you guys still control it the way you want. Why on gods green earth do you think the tensions rised between Turkey and Israel ?
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Post by jonnybravo on Sept 30, 2011 20:01:41 GMT
well Israel is not a shithole stoke is and im a proud stokie,waddo posts rubbish probably got no mates he's an idiot,Maccabi as you probably know for every 100 people theres 3 or 4 idiots that dont know what there on about and people we take no notice of,there will be plenty of stoke fans that will be here to greet you and be wanting to go to Isreal and have a great time with Maccabi fans like we did in keiv,i hope your not offended by what was put and keep coming on here and keep getting on with us,and how can people moan about what they think the Isreal government are doing the palestine people after what england did to scotland and the people of africa
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Post by Tubes on Sept 30, 2011 20:01:51 GMT
No Jew, first educate yourself. We're not doing the same to Cyprus and "Kurdistan". Don't confuse us with your own unhuman manners of declaring "war" to a country. We've enterd Cyprus in 1974, after the continuis attacks on the Turkish civilians. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is seperated. Turks living North, the Greek offsprings living South. You don't know any ratshit about Kurds. Millions of Kurds live happily in Turkey, along with Turks and are often reffered as "brothers". It's the terrorist organisation PKK which Turkey is fighting against, a organisation sponsord by your Zionist nation. Fuck me, our boys are not even allowed to shoot terrorist before an order coming from the higher generals. We don't ban a whole nation from the rest of the world. Free Gaza. Hahahah, you see how this shit is pissing off? you also got no idea what happends in israel, Gazza is free, they get all the food they need, they got all the medications and they get everything, if you had and actualy idea you would know the only thing aint allowed to enter gazza is Weapons, Gazza waters are controlled by us - we dont let them enter weapons or anything else, all the humanitary things - are going to gazza. Gazza is fully Controlled by The Hamas, if you had any idea what your talking about you would know israeli left Gazza in 2005. but hey, talking bullshit on the net is great without understanding the situation. what bout the reality? you really believe Gaza is "free"? The Israeli blockade of the Gaza strip is something your country should be ashamed of.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 20:04:55 GMT
Hahahah, you see how this shit is pissing off? you also got no idea what happends in israel, Gazza is free, they get all the food they need, they got all the medications and they get everything, if you had and actualy idea you would know the only thing aint allowed to enter gazza is Weapons, Gazza waters are controlled by us - we dont let them enter weapons or anything else, all the humanitary things - are going to gazza. Gazza is fully Controlled by The Hamas, if you had any idea what your talking about you would know israeli left Gazza in 2005. but hey, talking bullshit on the net is great without understanding the situation. what bout the reality? you really believe Gaza is "free"? The Israeli blockade of the Gaza strip is something your country should be ashamed of. Yeah right? lets see how UK goverment would act if Wells was controlled by Terrorists who only use those strips in order to get weapons and shot rockets on towns in south of the country. oh i know, they would probably let all the ships get there and even give em money for rockets. you know where their electricity comes from? Israel, you know where their food comes from? Israel, you know where their money comes from ? Israel. you know who control Gazza ? Hamas, you know whats Hamas? probably not. but you should read about it, atleast before you talk
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