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Post by Tubes on Sept 30, 2011 20:11:29 GMT
Yeah right? lets see how UK goverment would act if Wells was controlled by Terrorists who only use those strips in order to get weapons and shot rockets on towns in south of the country. oh i know, they would probably let all the ships get there and even give em money for rockets. you know where their electricity comes from? Israel, you know where their food comes from? Israel, you know where their money comes from ? Israel. you know who control Gazza ? Hamas, you know whats Hamas? probably not. but you should read about it, atleast before you talk you'll probably notice I was defending Israel earlier in the thread, but I won't defend you on this. Israel does indeed control the electricity to Gaza, and has in the recent past cut off power as a means of "punishing" Gaza for rocket attacks. I certainly do not agree with Hamas, but the effective imprisonment of a civilian population, the economic and humanitarian sanctions which you place upon them is barbaric, and if anything strengthens the hold of Hamas on the Gaza strip by promoting hatred. I have read about it, and I believe I know to a certain degree what I am talking about.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2011 20:13:37 GMT
If any Stoke Fans are so concerned about the whole politics situation, then I would avert your attention to the recent BBC Proms....let me explain. Protesters disrupted the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra's BBC Proms concert at London's Royal Albert Hall.
Several demonstrators in the hall shouted as Zubin Mehta stood to conduct Bruch's violin concerto. Many other audience members booed in response.
BBC Radio 3 said it had to interrupt its live broadcast twice "as a result of sustained audience disturbance".
The Palestine Solidarity Campaign had earlier called on people to boycott the concert and urged the BBC to cancel it.
In a statement published on its website ahead of the Proms, the pro-Palestinian group claimed the IPO showed "complicity in whitewashing Israel's persistent violations of international law and human rights".
Ok its the Proms, and most Stoke fans couldn't give a shit....but if similar protests happened at our home game, in front of the TV camera's, with for example the game being disrupted then what would be the outcome? Don't let Politics ruin the friendly atmosphere that has occurred so far between Stoke & Maccabi Fans.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2011 20:17:17 GMT
Why would anyone want to see Gazza strip?? Well I thought it was funny you miserable shits ;D
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 20:18:40 GMT
Yeah right? lets see how UK goverment would act if Wells was controlled by Terrorists who only use those strips in order to get weapons and shot rockets on towns in south of the country. oh i know, they would probably let all the ships get there and even give em money for rockets. you know where their electricity comes from? Israel, you know where their food comes from? Israel, you know where their money comes from ? Israel. you know who control Gazza ? Hamas, you know whats Hamas? probably not. but you should read about it, atleast before you talk you'll probably notice I was defending Israel earlier in the thread, but I won't defend you on this. Israel does indeed control the electricity to Gaza, and has in the recent past cut off power as a means of "punishing" Gaza for rocket attacks. I certainly do not agree with Hamas, but the effective imprisonment of a civilian population, the economic and humanitarian sanctions which you place upon them is barbaric, and if anything strengthens the hold of Hamas on the Gaza strip by promoting hatred. I have read about it, and I believe I know to a certain degree what I am talking about. sorry bro, but all those things from the strip, in the end - got to Gazza, if you would actually read about it, you would know all the things in the strip like food and such, in the end got to Gazza - from Ashdod's port right to Gazza. you know whats the problem? you cant let ships when you got no clue whats on them, to enter such a place, Iran send weapons, huge rockets, and more things which can get to the Center of the country, right now only the South towns of the country are dangerous, but in the second rocket will fall in Tel-Aviv, trust me, it will be way wrost. If the palestinians want freedom - they cant let Terrorists organizations control them. The west-bank speak with israel, they learned Terror is not the way, but come on do you realy expect israel to let Rockets which gonna hurt our population enter Gazza? get seriously, why they cant go stright to israel with their food and humanity items and bring it after a check to Gazza? thats called PROVOCATION bro.
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Post by ruts66 on Sept 30, 2011 20:20:11 GMT
This is ridiculous - we are football fans, ffs.
Leave the politics to the politicians...
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Post by Tubes on Sept 30, 2011 20:27:08 GMT
sorry bro, but all those things from the strip, in the end - got to Gazza, if you would actually read about it, you would know all the things in the strip like food and such, in the end got to Gazza - from Ashdod's port right to Gazza. you know whats the problem? you cant let ships when you got no clue whats on them, to enter such a place, Iran send weapons, huge rockets, and more things which can get to the Center of the country, right now only the South towns of the country are dangerous, but in the second rocket will fall in Tel-Aviv, trust me, it will be way wrost. If the palestinians want freedom - they cant let Terrorists organizations control them. The west-bank speak with israel, they learned Terror is not the way, but come on do you realy expect israel to let Rockets which gonna hurt our population enter Gazza? get seriously, why they cant go stright to israel with their food and humanity items and bring it after a check to Gazza? thats called PROVOCATION bro. I don't think I will ever agree that blockading a civilisation is a good way to go. It is only likely to foster hatred and make groups like Hamas prosper. I think we may have to agree to disagree here. Are you coming over to Stoke for the game? I'd love to make it to Tel Aviv but it's impossible for me on those dates.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 30, 2011 20:28:33 GMT
sorry bro, but all those things from the strip, in the end - got to Gazza, if you would actually read about it, you would know all the things in the strip like food and such, in the end got to Gazza - from Ashdod's port right to Gazza. you know whats the problem? you cant let ships when you got no clue whats on them, to enter such a place, Iran send weapons, huge rockets, and more things which can get to the Center of the country, right now only the South towns of the country are dangerous, but in the second rocket will fall in Tel-Aviv, trust me, it will be way wrost. If the palestinians want freedom - they cant let Terrorists organizations control them. The west-bank speak with israel, they learned Terror is not the way, but come on do you realy expect israel to let Rockets which gonna hurt our population enter Gazza? get seriously, why they cant go stright to israel with their food and humanity items and bring it after a check to Gazza? thats called PROVOCATION bro. I don't think I will ever agree that blockading a civilisation is a good way to go. It is only likely to foster hatred and make groups like Hamas prosper. I think we may have to agree to disagree here. Are you coming over to Stoke for the game? I'd love to make it to Tel Aviv but it's impossible for me on those dates.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Sept 30, 2011 20:30:37 GMT
sorry bro, but all those things from the strip, in the end - got to Gazza, if you would actually read about it, you would know all the things in the strip like food and such, in the end got to Gazza - from Ashdod's port right to Gazza. you know whats the problem? you cant let ships when you got no clue whats on them, to enter such a place, Iran send weapons, huge rockets, and more things which can get to the Center of the country, right now only the South towns of the country are dangerous, but in the second rocket will fall in Tel-Aviv, trust me, it will be way wrost. If the palestinians want freedom - they cant let Terrorists organizations control them. The west-bank speak with israel, they learned Terror is not the way, but come on do you realy expect israel to let Rockets which gonna hurt our population enter Gazza? get seriously, why they cant go stright to israel with their food and humanity items and bring it after a check to Gazza? thats called PROVOCATION bro. I don't think I will ever agree that blockading a civilisation is a good way to go. It is only likely to foster hatred and make groups like Hamas prosper. I think we may have to agree to disagree here. Are you coming over to Stoke for the game? I'd love to make it to Tel Aviv but it's impossible for me on those dates. i will get to Stoke But Anywayz, lets just agree theres no actual Solution that wont get anger from the other side, they will allways try to paint us as evil and etc and etc. only ppl like you i guess who were into israel actually understand that israel south towns is under rockets attack, and no one realy care.
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Post by londonjamie on Sept 30, 2011 20:39:09 GMT
Anything is better than the cringeworthy 'Stoke will tear you apart again' H + RAF embarrassing to hear Oh yes, embarrassing to hear us sing. Loud and Proud. Stick to the simple original Stoke songs eh? Stuff like 'Oh when the reds'
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:09:32 GMT
Ever heard of Ben Gurion, Maccabi? Or Moshe Dayan?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2011 22:11:57 GMT
No Jew, first educate yourself. We're not doing the same to Cyprus and "Kurdistan". Don't confuse us with your own unhuman manners of declaring "war" to a country. We've enterd Cyprus in 1974, after the continuis attacks on the Turkish civilians. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is seperated. Turks living North, the Greek offsprings living South. Irony! If it wasn't for the Sovereign Base Areas you'd have taken the lot! Free Cyprus!
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:12:17 GMT
EVERYTHING Israeli should be banned from this country until the situation in Gaza and the innumerable UN resolutions are addressed. We need to treat Israel like apartheid South Africa. And ban nuclear weapons in what is one of the most dangerous and unreliable states on earth.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:14:50 GMT
Basically, I'd rather go Rhyl. The trouble is that morality only rears its head where there's also self interest at stake as in Libya or Iraq. The Israelis are allowed to flout every law of decent human behaviour as well as ignoring endless UN security council resolutions because, as Truman said, of the massive Zionist lobby in the States.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Sept 30, 2011 22:41:54 GMT
EVERYTHING Israeli should be banned from this country until the situation in Gaza and the innumerable UN resolutions are addressed. We need to treat Israel like apartheid South Africa. And ban nuclear weapons in what is one of the most dangerous and unreliable states on earth. tommy gun you can be a hero in an age of none tommy gun i'm cutting out your picture from page one i'm gonna get a jacket just like yours an' give my false support to your cause whatever you want, you're gonna get it!
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:43:24 GMT
Cheers wand!
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 30, 2011 22:45:44 GMT
EVERYTHING Israeli should be banned from this country until the situation in Gaza and the innumerable UN resolutions are addressed. We need to treat Israel like apartheid South Africa. And ban nuclear weapons in what is one of the most dangerous and unreliable states on earth. Having been drawn to the thread by it's inflammatory title, I've just read it through; I fail to understand what the political situation in the Middle East has to do with a f*ckin' football match!! Being relatively new to this fansite, perhaps I should restrain myself from further comment........but I would suggest that you take your f*ckin' axe and grind it elsewhere!!
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:49:10 GMT
The point is that we banned South African teams from this country. We should do the same with them. Sport allows a nation to gain credibility in the world. With its disdain for UN resolutions, we should deny Israel that privilege.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 30, 2011 22:51:44 GMT
The point is that we banned South African teams from this country. We should do the same with them. Sport allows a nation to gain credibility in the world. With its disdain for UN resolutions, we should deny Israel that privilege. Rather a dangerous precedent, isn't it? Ultimately, the power to do that in European tournaments lies with UEFA, who take the (somewhat safe, less controversial) opinion that football and politics should never be entwined. Start banning Israeli teams and you'll have America refusing to play Iran and so on.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Sept 30, 2011 22:53:00 GMT
The point is that we banned South African teams from this country. We should do the same with them. Sport allows a nation to gain credibility in the world. With its disdain for UN resolutions, we should deny Israel that privilege.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:55:36 GMT
The sporting ban imposed on South Africa DID have an effect though. In fact it was one of the most important elements in fighting and ultimately defeating apartheid. However, as you say, the US Zionist lobby would be too powerful for FIFA to resist.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 30, 2011 22:56:18 GMT
The point is that we banned South African teams from this country. We should do the same with them. Sport allows a nation to gain credibility in the world. With its disdain for UN resolutions, we should deny Israel that privilege. If that's the point you're trying to make.......why didn't you state your views in the above manner.....rather than kick off a thread with such an inflammatory statement?? Are you that desperate for attention, that you want to insult a whole nation in order to get a reaction? We are all entitled to our opinion (that's the blessing of living in a democratic society)........but please take yours elsewhere.....it doesn't belong in this forum!!
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 22:57:43 GMT
Lodge...Wand......are you a MASON by any chance?.........Just a thought......your views do appear to be......ahem......rather to the....ahem.....right of centre..........
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 23:00:26 GMT
Silly sausage Moon. That's exactly where those views do belong because politics are in everything. And Israel, like SA, needs to be blacklisted from international competition. Did you read any of the quotes or just bury your head in the sand?
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 30, 2011 23:03:09 GMT
700,000 Palestinians dispossessed to make way for the state of Israel. And many of those families still living in camps to this day.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 30, 2011 23:28:57 GMT
Throughout our history we've done our fair share of fucking up other countries and in particular the Middle East.
If everyone judged us by the previous actions of our politicians then there would be few countries that would welcome English people.
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Post by stokemaccabi on Oct 1, 2011 0:36:22 GMT
Waddo you should be banned for life from the Internet, i hope one day there will be some 1 who will get ppl like you into jail cause of all the lies and your racist talks. one day.
About Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan - their 2 of the top leaders in the History, Moshe Dayan has the General Commander of the IDF and Ben-Gurion has the first Prime minister which thanks to him - israel lives today.
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Post by Tubes on Oct 1, 2011 0:53:46 GMT
EVERYTHING Israeli should be banned from this country until the situation in Gaza and the innumerable UN resolutions are addressed. We need to treat Israel like apartheid South Africa. And ban nuclear weapons in what is one of the most dangerous and unreliable states on earth. your taking far too simplistic a view on things. I agree that the Gaza situation is terrible, but from an Israeli government's standpoint, it's very difficult to allow a government (Hamas) that does not recognise your right to exist have access to weapons with which it could threaten your people, which is essentially the given reason for the blockade. Whether you agree with how the Israelis got their land or not, the majority of Israelis were born inside it's borders, giving them every bit as much entitlement to that land as anyone else, and surely giving them a legitimacy to defend themselves. Surely if you are the elected government of a people, it is your obligation to secure at all costs the security of your people and your country? You cannot say these people have no right to be here, this is the land in which they were born! Anyone with half a brain can see where the only real solution lies, 1967 borders with agreed lands swaps. Neither side will agree to this, and we're just going to have conflict until they do. Bold leadership from all sides is needed (and I include the US in this) and compromises have to be made. I'd love to think this is just round the corner but I just can't see it.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Oct 1, 2011 5:19:33 GMT
W4W - I'm sure you would be the first to decry any aggravation at a football game. Spectators should have the freedom to follow their team home and away without feeling the threat of violence upon them. While you may raise some very salient points regarding the situations that exist in the middle east you've done a fine job of inflaming tensions between Muslim, Jewish and othewise who came to this board as welcome guests eager to find common ground through their love of Football. Time for this non-football related thread to be relegated I think.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Oct 1, 2011 9:01:41 GMT
Not at all Brass. I just believe that Israel deserves to be boycotted. Have you read the quotes about the situation there? As for being 'born' there, well, the Arabs had been 'born there' for the past 2,000 years before they were thrown off their land (700,000 of them) into camps. No one anywhere has said they want to close down the state of Israel. It's a fact of life now. BUT we DO need to start getting it to stop behaving like a rogue state flouting every dictate of international law.
Maccabi's view is especially interesting: criticize Israel and you should be thrown into jail. Thanks for making my point for me because that's exactly what happens there I believe.
Especially revealing when the 'lies and racist talks' come from quotes from Gandhi, Truman, Israeli commentators and Israeli heroes like Dayan and Ben Gurion. ???
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 1, 2011 9:06:18 GMT
So what time's the kick-off against Maccabi??
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