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Post by jcscfc on Apr 11, 2011 16:12:24 GMT
How come nothing is mentioned about handicaps on the start sheet? all due respect, but as the above poster has said, phil dowd is rather good & its pretty pointless playing if we don't use handicaps, mind you even that did not help me much last year I understand its for charity, but i don't recognise many oatcakers on the start sheet who's said Phil Dowd is quite good ??? He plays off 14! He's played once in 4 months I'm expecting you all to give him loads of stick so he only gets 5 points ;D
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 11, 2011 16:43:52 GMT
Are we running a book ? I fancy a flutter on Phil Dowd didn`t he win the Sentinel Sheild a few years back? I was going by this I still think everyone shoud list their handicaps, otherwise no point playing if no chance to win
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 11, 2011 19:14:03 GMT
SSG What price will you be?Are you worth each way.Need to make sure I cover all bases. Mr.Jon and Stokie Steve will be in the mix probably looking for about fives or sixes on them pair.
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Post by jcscfc on Apr 11, 2011 19:18:56 GMT
SSG
A handicap is a numerical measure of an amateur golfer's playing ability based on the tees played for a given course. It is used to calculate a net score from the number of strokes actually played, thus allowing players of different proficiency to play against each other on somewhat equal terms. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_handicap
Golf is a game of extreme honesty and etiquette and the handicap system allows the occasional golfer to play on a level playing field with a professional.
The whole idea of the day is to raise money for The Donna Luise Trust. The winner is the lucky person who finds himself able to play to or slightly better than his handicap.
Its not about the winning its all about the taking part. PleasePlease bear this in mind. The whole day is for a FANTASTIC CAUSE
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Post by sparks on Apr 11, 2011 22:35:08 GMT
SSG and Beardy, great if you want to set up a society but for me the main thing is the cause. i didnt hear too many complaining last year, in fact i thought it was a great success and all the people i spoke to thoroughly enjoyed. hopefully we may get better weather this year.
Phil - can we have a team prize as it may add to the day.
As long as handicaps are collected by the organiser and people are not taking the mick i dont see a problem, people are playing in this event for terminally ill children
by the way come on you mighty potters
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 12, 2011 6:57:07 GMT
SSG A handicap is a numerical measure of an amateur golfer's playing ability based on the tees played for a given course. It is used to calculate a net score from the number of strokes actually played, thus allowing players of different proficiency to play against each other on somewhat equal terms. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_handicap Golf is a game of extreme honesty and etiquette and the handicap system allows the occasional golfer to play on a level playing field with a professional. The whole idea of the day is to raise money for The Donna Luise Trust. The winner is the lucky person who finds himself able to play to or slightly better than his handicap. Its not about the winning its all about the taking part. PleasePlease bear this in mind. The whole day is for a FANTASTIC CAUSE I know its a fantastic cause & i'm paying my green fee to go to the cause/club as well as buying into the raffle, however i don't want to tee off with someone who plays off 4 who will be on an equal footing as me, i'm sorry but it is about the winning awell as charity or finishing as high up as possible. I'm i asking too much for handicaps to go next to names?? these should also go on the start sheet & on the course card, so it can be tallied up correctly, otherwise us 16/18 odd handicappers will stand no chance. Having said that , i finished last, last year
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Post by theoldgit on Apr 12, 2011 8:29:48 GMT
Perhaps I am thick but I don't understand the problem, if you play off 4 you have 4 shots per round, if you play off 18 you have a shot a hole, on average both players should end up with the same score so it is down to who plays better (or worse) on the day.
Regarding showing handicaps on the start sheet, last year I spent a lot of time getting as many players handicaps as possible prior to the event, and put them on their card. Only to find that many had changed because they had either won a competition or lost a couple and gained a shot meaning many had to be changed. i.e. it is your handicap on the day of the competition that counts not what you play off now.
As regards only playing if you think you will win, with 84 contestants you will have a 1 in 84 chance, if your handicap is accurate, better players have a better chance mainly because they are more consistent at playing close to their handicap than high handicappers.
In theory the handicapping system means we all finish with the same score, we do not, because a club players handicap is based on his (or her) best score, not your average so good/bad days come into play.
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Post by kitkatkev on Apr 12, 2011 10:16:54 GMT
Is the 'chlamydia kid' anywhere as bad as jonesinamilliion's flourescent yellow polo from year 1 or KitkatKev's pointy finger incident with Sir Gordon Banks? Do we have to go ova that again Gordon thought it was funny ;D
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 12, 2011 18:16:48 GMT
Perhaps I am thick but I don't understand the problem, if you play off 4 you have 4 shots per round, if you play off 18 you have a shot a hole, on average both players should end up with the same score so it is down to who plays better (or worse) on the day. Regarding showing handicaps on the start sheet, last year I spent a lot of time getting as many players handicaps as possible prior to the event, and put them on their card. Only to find that many had changed because they had either won a competition or lost a couple and gained a shot meaning many had to be changed. i.e. it is your handicap on the day of the competition that counts not what you play off now. As regards only playing if you think you will win, with 84 contestants you will have a 1 in 84 chance, if your handicap is accurate, better players have a better chance mainly because they are more consistent at playing close to their handicap than high handicappers. In theory the handicapping system means we all finish with the same score, we do not, because a club players handicap is based on his (or her) best score, not your average so good/bad days come into play. i'll let you know my handicap on the day then, at the mo i'm off 18, but i'll get that changed to 26 by the golf day. As you say its for charity , so it does not matter who wins really
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Post by jcscfc on Apr 12, 2011 21:00:12 GMT
Golf - honesty and integrity. Ever heard these words linked together before:-/
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 13, 2011 7:39:27 GMT
Perhaps I am thick but I don't understand the problem, if you play off 4 you have 4 shots per round, if you play off 18 you have a shot a hole, on average both players should end up with the same score so it is down to who plays better (or worse) on the day. Regarding showing handicaps on the start sheet, last year I spent a lot of time getting as many players handicaps as possible prior to the event, and put them on their card. Only to find that many had changed because they had either won a competition or lost a couple and gained a shot meaning many had to be changed. i.e. it is your handicap on the day of the competition that counts not what you play off now. As regards only playing if you think you will win, with 84 contestants you will have a 1 in 84 chance, if your handicap is accurate, better players have a better chance mainly because they are more consistent at playing close to their handicap than high handicappers. In theory the handicapping system means we all finish with the same score, we do not, because a club players handicap is based on his (or her) best score, not your average so good/bad days come into play. You have just highlighted the problem yourself, If you know that someone plays off 4 & someone plays off 18 then that is fine, pefect, no need to go on. But its the people that turn up on the day or don't say anything about a handicap. If there is a list of names in the clubhouse at the start of the day with a handicap next to it, at least we get an idea of who/what we are up against. even if it is a point out here & there because of recent changes.I can't see how hard this can be, just tell them your handicap when booking , i'll do the sheet myslef on the day if you wish, if you remember i helped out last year.
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 13, 2011 8:36:23 GMT
The original spirit has left the building!
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Post by jcscfc on Apr 13, 2011 9:54:04 GMT
Perhaps I am thick but I don't understand the problem, if you play off 4 you have 4 shots per round, if you play off 18 you have a shot a hole, on average both players should end up with the same score so it is down to who plays better (or worse) on the day. Regarding showing handicaps on the start sheet, last year I spent a lot of time getting as many players handicaps as possible prior to the event, and put them on their card. Only to find that many had changed because they had either won a competition or lost a couple and gained a shot meaning many had to be changed. i.e. it is your handicap on the day of the competition that counts not what you play off now. As regards only playing if you think you will win, with 84 contestants you will have a 1 in 84 chance, if your handicap is accurate, better players have a better chance mainly because they are more consistent at playing close to their handicap than high handicappers. In theory the handicapping system means we all finish with the same score, we do not, because a club players handicap is based on his (or her) best score, not your average so good/bad days come into play. You have just highlighted the problem yourself, If you know that someone plays off 4 & someone plays off 18 then that is fine, pefect, no need to go on. But its the people that turn up on the day or don't say anything about a handicap. If there is a list of names in the clubhouse at the start of the day with a handicap next to it, at least we get an idea of who/what we are up against. even if it is a point out here & there because of recent changes.I can't see how hard this can be, just tell them your handicap when booking , i'll do the sheet myslef on the day if you wish, if you remember i helped out last year. There really seems to be a problem here. Has there been a problem that you know of in the last 2 years that the organisers dont know about ??? If not please read my post about honesty and integrity
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Post by theoldgit on Apr 13, 2011 12:53:49 GMT
Perhaps I am thick but I don't understand the problem, if you play off 4 you have 4 shots per round, if you play off 18 you have a shot a hole, on average both players should end up with the same score so it is down to who plays better (or worse) on the day. Regarding showing handicaps on the start sheet, last year I spent a lot of time getting as many players handicaps as possible prior to the event, and put them on their card. Only to find that many had changed because they had either won a competition or lost a couple and gained a shot meaning many had to be changed. i.e. it is your handicap on the day of the competition that counts not what you play off now. As regards only playing if you think you will win, with 84 contestants you will have a 1 in 84 chance, if your handicap is accurate, better players have a better chance mainly because they are more consistent at playing close to their handicap than high handicappers. In theory the handicapping system means we all finish with the same score, we do not, because a club players handicap is based on his (or her) best score, not your average so good/bad days come into play. You have just highlighted the problem yourself, If you know that someone plays off 4 & someone plays off 18 then that is fine, pefect, no need to go on. But its the people that turn up on the day or don't say anything about a handicap. If there is a list of names in the clubhouse at the start of the day with a handicap next to it, at least we get an idea of who/what we are up against. even if it is a point out here & there because of recent changes.I can't see how hard this can be, just tell them your handicap when booking , i'll do the sheet myslef on the day if you wish, if you remember i helped out last year. Last year and the first year we played a full handicap stableford competition, this year it is the same, and the players handicap was put on the card by me last year, and jonesey the year before, this year will be the same, no problem. We relied on everyone to give us a fair handicap and not cheat. For members of a golf club they have an official handicap, for others a society handicap will do, or a fair and reasonable handicap that reflects their ability. I accept that someone can give a false handicap, I hope they can live with themselves if they do. I would expect none of us want to cheat in order to win. The only way to ensure this can not happen, is to only allow golf club members to play. that would destroy our aim It is a day out, not the OPEN.
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Post by Mr Jon on Apr 13, 2011 15:27:42 GMT
SSG What price will you be?Are you worth each way.Need to make sure I cover all bases. Mr.Jon and Stokie Steve will be in the mix probably looking for about fives or sixes on them pair. Thanks for your confidence in me Eddy, but if I said that I was playing like a twat at the moment, then I would be giving twats everywhere a bad name! Thanks for organising it again Phil. Unfortunately I've spent more time working out of the country than in it recently, but at least I'm back for this weekend! If I can give some help leading up to, or on, the day, then let me know. I'll organise a team and will PM you with details.
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 13, 2011 15:55:40 GMT
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It is a day out, not the OPEN.[/quote]
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I'll be there again & like i said if you need my help, i'll be only to happy. SSG (18)
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Post by jcscfc on Apr 13, 2011 18:28:19 GMT
It is a day out, not the OPEN.[/quote] ;D I'll be there again & like i said if you need my help, i'll be only to happy. SSG (18) [/quote] Thank god that ironed out and over with. JCSCFC (17.2) ;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 13, 2011 18:44:34 GMT
Remind us how many points you got last year again SSG. I'm not sure there is a number bigger enough to make you competitive. ;D
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Post by supersmashinggreat on Apr 14, 2011 7:43:56 GMT
Remind us how many points you got last year again SSG. I'm not sure there is a number bigger enough to make you competitive. ;D Mmm, i think they had my handicap wrong last year! SSG (18.1)
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Apr 14, 2011 12:09:07 GMT
Im all for a shotgun start, I will be teeing off with Jim McDonald..
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Post by pearo on Apr 14, 2011 18:04:37 GMT
It was my first time at the oatcake day last year and I throughly enjoyed it despite the weather. We were in one of the later groups so probably missed some of the bar banter but didn't miss out on seeing the chlamydia kid's debut in the spotlight and am looking forward to his show this year. I am a five day member at Trentham Park and if anyone wants a round before the day just let me know and we can try to arrange it, I work 4 on 4 off so nearly always have a couple of days each week that I can play.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Apr 15, 2011 18:51:50 GMT
Evening!
Shot a 77 this arvo....8 over par playing off a 13 handicap. First round ever under 80!! Lovin it.
Bought Taylormade R9 irons and Driver last Autumn, battled with them all winter (10 rounds maybe) and they are lovely clubs, well worth it for me anyway.
Would love to be there again this year, given that the first Oatcake Day and the build up to it was top class. Missed last year was in Spain with Mackem Tigerwoods chillin the fuck out.
Beardy, Bogus, Wembley and Jonesamillion if your playing this year have a good round lads.
GOOOAAAARRRRRNNNNNN STOKE!
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Apr 15, 2011 20:56:02 GMT
Anyone gonna video the first Tee this year and the speechifying in the club house.
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 16, 2011 9:24:52 GMT
Evening! Shot a 77 this arvo....8 over par playing off a 13 handicap. First round ever under 80!! Lovin it. Bought Taylormade R9 irons and Driver last Autumn, battled with them all winter (10 rounds maybe) and they are lovely clubs, well worth it for me anyway. Would love to be there again this year, given that the first Oatcake Day and the build up to it was top class. Missed last year was in Spain with Mackem Tigerwoods chillin the fuck out. Beardy, Bogus, Wembley and Jonesamillion if your playing this year have a good round lads. GOOOAAAARRRRRNNNNNN STOKE! We missed you last year. FFS don't let ssg know how well you're getting on, he's already worried that he isn't in with a chance! It was a very different day last year with a lot of people just turning up for their own tee times, eating afterwards and then leaving and so only seeing the few groups that started at a similar time. Much more like an open day at a golf club than the first event! It still managed to piss it down though, so at least that was a consistent theme.
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Post by jonesinamillion on Apr 16, 2011 15:32:42 GMT
Just seen the thead (don't do the main board very often!), well done to Phil & Jon for taking it on!
I should be able to play though my game has gone to sh#t! I'll help out wherever I can if needed and will try and to source some prizes.
Lets hope we can have some decent weather for once eh!
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Apr 16, 2011 17:31:09 GMT
Evening! Shot a 77 this arvo....8 over par playing off a 13 handicap. First round ever under 80!! Lovin it. Bought Taylormade R9 irons and Driver last Autumn, battled with them all winter (10 rounds maybe) and they are lovely clubs, well worth it for me anyway. Would love to be there again this year, given that the first Oatcake Day and the build up to it was top class. Missed last year was in Spain with Mackem Tigerwoods chillin the fuck out. Beardy, Bogus, Wembley and Jonesamillion if your playing this year have a good round lads. GOOOAAAARRRRRNNNNNN STOKE! We missed you last year. FFS don't let ssg know how well you're getting on, he's already worried that he isn't in with a chance! It was a very different day last year with a lot of people just turning up for their own tee times, eating afterwards and then leaving and so only seeing the few groups that started at a similar time. Much more like an open day at a golf club than the first event! It still managed to piss it down though, so at least that was a consistent theme. 2009 Inaugural Oatcake Charity Golf Day will live long in the memory fella and so will your hat ;D The Don!! And we beat the mackems 1 - 0 the following day. Quality Enjoy it again this year. All the best. Dd.
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Post by jcscfc on Apr 16, 2011 19:01:14 GMT
Evening! Shot a 77 this arvo....8 over par playing off a 13 handicap. First round ever under 80!! Lovin it. Bought Taylormade R9 irons and Driver last Autumn, battled with them all winter (10 rounds maybe) and they are lovely clubs, well worth it for me anyway. Would love to be there again this year, given that the first Oatcake Day and the build up to it was top class. Missed last year was in Spain with Mackem Tigerwoods chillin the fuck out. Beardy, Bogus, Wembley and Jonesamillion if your playing this year have a good round lads. GOOOAAAARRRRRNNNNNN STOKE! We missed you last year. FFS don't let ssg know how well you're getting on, he's already worried that he isn't in with a chance! It was a very different day last year with a lot of people just turning up for their own tee times, eating afterwards and then leaving and so only seeing the few groups that started at a similar time. Much more like an open day at a golf club than the first event! It still managed to piss it down though, so at least that was a consistent theme. I was really suprised how many (at least 60) stayed for the presentation last year. The banter was n't missed that much. The food is always fantastic at TPGC. Julie in the kitchen is a brilliant chef. Again, can I reccomend the TPGC club sandwich before you go out.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Apr 16, 2011 21:51:44 GMT
Seeing the thread from Florida Stokies got me thinking about an International Oatcake Charity Golf Weekend e.g English or British v Europe. Then I thought nah............. Oatcake v Aztecs Fanzine? Ryder Cup format. First one being in Texas against the Aztecs fans with Adrian Heath getting involved.
Have I gone too big with my ideas??
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 18, 2011 5:56:55 GMT
Seeing the thread from Florida Stokies got me thinking about an International Oatcake Charity Golf Weekend e.g English or British v Europe. Then I thought nah............. Oatcake v Aztecs Fanzine? Ryder Cup format. First one being in Texas against the Aztecs fans with Adrian Heath getting involved. Have I gone too big with my ideas?? dd - looks like we might be needing our cash for our european domination season!
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Apr 18, 2011 11:02:31 GMT
Seeing the thread from Florida Stokies got me thinking about an International Oatcake Charity Golf Weekend e.g English or British v Europe. Then I thought nah............. Oatcake v Aztecs Fanzine? Ryder Cup format. First one being in Texas against the Aztecs fans with Adrian Heath getting involved. Have I gone too big with my ideas?? dd - looks like we might be needing our cash for our european domination season! I mentioned the same thing a bit back!
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