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Post by dbstoke on Mar 7, 2011 19:33:31 GMT
Definately the cup for me.
I watched Stoke for 30 years in the lower leagues, so shall continue to do if/when it happens again. But to win the FA Cup???? Its something the club has failed to do in 148 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 19:35:20 GMT
Yes, I'd take it. I hate looking at the records and seeing we've won bugger all important.
And who's to say we wouldn't come straight back up. So, yes please.
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Post by stokiekarl619 on Mar 7, 2011 19:37:23 GMT
I'd take the cup if I knew that we would bounce back straight up because A) the cup has its own benefits B) we've strenghtened considerably since promotion and C ) it would be nice to have a trophy ( our first major one for donkeys ...arguably ever )
BUT if it meant we were consigned to the lower leagues for another 5 years then noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2011 19:40:26 GMT
Yes, I'd take it. I hate looking at the records and seeing we've won bugger all important. And who's to say we wouldn't come straight back up. So, yes please. There's a pretty substantial list of teams who didn't come straight back up and there's a positively HUGE list of teams who haven't ever come back up. It would be an enormous gamble.
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Post by heavysoul on Mar 7, 2011 19:46:31 GMT
Rather stay in the prem.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2011 19:51:43 GMT
Lose the Quarter Final & Stay up.....for the simple reason of i would hate us to be embarrassed at Wembley & then get so demoralized we go down on the last day of the Season
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2011 19:52:28 GMT
I'm more than likely in the minority on this but i would take winning the FA Cup.I'm fully aware of the financial need for the club to stay in the Premiership,money is ruining the game.Having watched Stoke for over 30 years i have always wanted to see us win a major trophy.A day that will live with you forever,a bit like the Birmingham fans would have expierenced the other week.Which ever division Stoke City will be in next season i will still go and watch,but the chances of winning a major trophy don't come around very often for us. Anyway we're going to win the Cup and stay up. ;D same as Stenny really, been watching Stoke for 40 years, the skin is pretty thick now so an FA cup win would be great, lets face it we aren't going to get many chances unless Sky pulls the plug on football. I'll still go Stoke and probably enjoy it more than the frustrations you get with the big 4 and all that comes with them, refs, media hype etc. and the boring stuff we have to endure at times at the moment.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2011 19:54:10 GMT
Id probably say FA Cup. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Also mean trips to stadio olimpico, munich, valencia etc potentially next year ;D Plus all those random eastern European countries such as Slovakia, Macedonia, Bosnia etc. Excellent
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2011 19:57:54 GMT
Id probably say FA Cup. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Also mean trips to stadio olimpico, munich, valencia etc potentially next year ;D More likely Dynamo Tiblisi, IK Start & an early exit to Apollon Limasol
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2011 19:59:13 GMT
Id probably say FA Cup. Once in a lifetime opportunity. Also mean trips to stadio olimpico, munich, valencia etc potentially next year ;D More likely Dynamo Tiblisi, IK Start & an early exit to Apollon Limasol As i said....random Eastern European countries in the warm August sunshine. Imagine Stokies on tour in Cyprus this summer. Would be classical. Cant beat it
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2011 20:01:01 GMT
More likely Dynamo Tiblisi, IK Start & an early exit to Apollon Limasol As i said....random Eastern European countries in the warm August sunshine. Imagine Stokies on tour in Cyprus this summer. Would be classical. Cant beat it Or a nice night in Oswestry against TNS! ;D
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2011 20:02:04 GMT
I'm more than likely in the minority on this but i would take winning the FA Cup.I'm fully aware of the financial need for the club to stay in the Premiership,money is ruining the game.Having watched Stoke for over 30 years i have always wanted to see us win a major trophy.A day that will live with you forever,a bit like the Birmingham fans would have expierenced the other week.Which ever division Stoke City will be in next season i will still go and watch,but the chances of winning a major trophy don't come around very often for us. Anyway we're going to win the Cup and stay up. ;D same as Stenny really, been watching Stoke for 40 years, the skin is pretty thick now so an FA cup win would be great, lets face it we aren't going to get many chances unless Sky pulls the plug on football. I'll still go Stoke and probably enjoy it more than the frustrations you get with the big 4 and all that comes with them, refs, media hype etc. and the boring stuff we have to endure at times at the moment. Hang on a sec, we've got to two quarter finals in three seasons since we've been back in the top flight, there's not a lot of evidence to suggest, that we wouldn't have several more opportunities to have a crack it again, in the future is there? A run of half a dozen games (not always against decent opposition) can do it. However, gaining promotion, is a completely and utterly different proposition altogether.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2011 20:02:27 GMT
As i said....random Eastern European countries in the warm August sunshine. Imagine Stokies on tour in Cyprus this summer. Would be classical. Cant beat it Or a nice night in Oswestry against TNS! ;D Why not
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2011 20:03:00 GMT
Would probably have to give Russia a miss though. Fans ridiculously aggressive ;D
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 7, 2011 20:03:17 GMT
Or a nice night in Oswestry against TNS! ;D Why not Bring it on then!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 7, 2011 20:10:06 GMT
Why not Bring it on then! Can picture it now Pulis announces competitive line up for Europa league clash against Welsh giants: Parton Shotton Shawcross Collins Pugh Delap Diao Whitehead Arismendi Walters Sidibe Enjoy some of that.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 7, 2011 20:25:12 GMT
I'd take the cup. The cup will remain in the record books forever.
When we go down I am reasonably confident that we will come back up anyway. Financially, we would get our parachute payments and have a massive advantage over other teams in the Championship.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2011 20:33:46 GMT
I'd take the cup. The cup will remain in the record books forever. When we go down I am reasonably confident that we will come back up anyway. Financially, we would get our parachute payments and have a massive advantage over other teams in the Championship. It's just such a dogfight down there, though, isn't it? And Coatesy isn't going to go on forever. Forest, Leicester, the Sheffields, Norwich, Ipswich, Leeds, Southampton, Portsmouth, Derby, Boro, Coventry, Palace... It's a hell of a list....
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 7, 2011 20:42:03 GMT
The vile inequities of the Premier League and the potential for financial meltdown that relegation brings render it a non question. Sadly we seem to inhabit a world where finishing 17th in the league is deemed more worthy than lifting a fucking pot. Utter madness. May as well have ended the thread with this post.
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 7, 2011 20:46:34 GMT
Win the cup! I'll have a pint of what youre drinking
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 7, 2011 20:49:41 GMT
I'd take the cup. The cup will remain in the record books forever. When we go down I am reasonably confident that we will come back up anyway. Financially, we would get our parachute payments and have a massive advantage over other teams in the Championship. It's just such a dogfight down there, though, isn't it? And Coatesy isn't going to go on forever. Forest, Leicester, the Sheffields, Norwich, Ipswich, Leeds, Southampton, Portsmouth, Derby, Boro, Coventry, Palace... It's a hell of a list.... Most of those clubs went down with major financial issues. Our players have all been signed with financial stability in mind & I dare say, with relegation to the championship always a possibility.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 7, 2011 20:51:16 GMT
I would take the cup and relegation. I really would.
Is the Championship such a bad place to be? Decent pubs, close the grounds. Regular evening fixtures. Honest, for the most part, teams and players. Real supporters. A genuinely competitive league. Something to aspire towards.
Let's be honest about this, the Premiership is a real bind. It is a chore to watch our team because we can't achieve anything other than mid-table obscurity. The be all and end all is staying up each year.
I support Stoke City and I couldn't give a shit what league we are in. The pain of a shitty performance and defeat is the same regardless of what league we are in. When I watch Whitehead and Walters, I still think they are easily amongst the worst players that we have ever seen. I then have to remind myself about the likes of Gary Brooke, O'neil Donaldson, George Siebeck, Marc Goodfellow, Stephen Taffe, Tony Kelly (the black one), Billy Whitehurst, David Xausa and so much more shit besides.
I actually enjoyed the Championship more than the Premiership and judging by the amount of my pals who have stopped attending away games, I would say that is true of many a longstanding Stokie.
Be careful what you wish for I guess but personally, I would take the FA Cup everytime. Why can't we have both? Personally, I am starting to wonder if we will get either. I don't think we will beat West Ham, who are much better than us and I don't think survival is a given either if Pulis continues to send the team out with the same approach and personnel.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2011 21:04:32 GMT
I would take the cup and relegation. I really would. Is the Championship such a bad place to be? Decent pubs, close the grounds. Regular evening fixtures. Honest, for the most part, teams and players. Real supporters. A genuinely competitive league. Something to aspire towards. Let's be honest about this, the Premiership is a real bind. It is a chore to watch our team because we can't achieve anything other than mid-table obscurity. The be all and end all is staying up each year. I support Stoke City and I couldn't give a shit what league we are in. The pain of a shitty performance and defeat is the same regardless of what league we are in. When I watch Whitehead and Walters, I still think they are easily amongst the worst players that we have ever seen. I then have to remind myself about the likes of Gary Brooke, O'neil Donaldson, George Siebeck, Marc Goodfellow, Stephen Taffe, Tony Kelly (the black one), Billy Whitehurst, David Xausa and so much more shit besides. I actually enjoyed the Championship more than the Premiership and judging by the amount of my pals who have stopped attending away games, I would say that is true of many a longstanding Stokie. Be careful what you wish for I guess but personally, I would take the FA Cup everytime. Why can't we have both? Personally, I am starting to wonder if we will get either. I don't think we will beat West Ham, who are much better than us and I don't think survival is a given either if Pulis continues to send the team out with the same approach and personnel. Dave may I suggest that you're allowing the current situation to cloud your judgement. If we were sitting seventh or eighth, looking solid, if not spectacular, would you still really swap relegation (and all it entails) to lift the cup this year? If we stay up, then things could end up looking a heck of a lot rosier than they are at the moment. There'll be plenty of opportunities to have a crack at the cup again in the future, although I suspect those opportunities will be pretty much non existant if we're not launching our campaigns to win it, from the foundation which is the Premiership.
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Post by march4 on Mar 7, 2011 21:07:16 GMT
I would take the cup and relegation. I really would. Is the Championship such a bad place to be? Decent pubs, close the grounds. Regular evening fixtures. Honest, for the most part, teams and players. Real supporters. A genuinely competitive league. Something to aspire towards. Let's be honest about this, the Premiership is a real bind. It is a chore to watch our team because we can't achieve anything other than mid-table obscurity. The be all and end all is staying up each year. I support Stoke City and I couldn't give a shit what league we are in. The pain of a shitty performance and defeat is the same regardless of what league we are in. When I watch Whitehead and Walters, I still think they are easily amongst the worst players that we have ever seen. I then have to remind myself about the likes of Gary Brooke, O'neil Donaldson, George Siebeck, Marc Goodfellow, Stephen Taffe, Tony Kelly (the black one), Billy Whitehurst, David Xausa and so much more shit besides. I actually enjoyed the Championship more than the Premiership and judging by the amount of my pals who have stopped attending away games, I would say that is true of many a longstanding Stokie. Be careful what you wish for I guess but personally, I would take the FA Cup everytime. Why can't we have both? Personally, I am starting to wonder if we will get either. I don't think we will beat West Ham, who are much better than us and I don't think survival is a given either if Pulis continues to send the team out with the same approach and personnel. Dave may I suggest that you're allowing the current situation to cloud your judgement. If we were sitting seventh or eighth, looking solid, if not spectacular, would you still really swap relegation (and all it entails) to lift the cup this year? If we stay up, then things could end up looking a heck of a lot rosier than they are at the moment. There'll be plenty of opportunities to have a crack at the cup again in the future, although I suspect those opportunities will be pretty much non existant if we're not launching our campaigns to win it, from the foundation which is the Premiership. We are only 4 points from 8th place
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2011 22:01:12 GMT
Dave may I suggest that you're allowing the current situation to cloud your judgement. If we were sitting seventh or eighth, looking solid, if not spectacular, would you still really swap relegation (and all it entails) to lift the cup this year? If we stay up, then things could end up looking a heck of a lot rosier than they are at the moment. There'll be plenty of opportunities to have a crack at the cup again in the future, although I suspect those opportunities will be pretty much non existant if we're not launching our campaigns to win it, from the foundation which is the Premiership. We are only 4 points from 8th place If we were sitting seventh or eighth, looking solid,
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2011 22:11:24 GMT
same as Stenny really, been watching Stoke for 40 years, the skin is pretty thick now so an FA cup win would be great, lets face it we aren't going to get many chances unless Sky pulls the plug on football. I'll still go Stoke and probably enjoy it more than the frustrations you get with the big 4 and all that comes with them, refs, media hype etc. and the boring stuff we have to endure at times at the moment. Hang on a sec, we've got to two quarter finals in three seasons since we've been back in the top flight, there's not a lot of evidence to suggest, that we wouldn't have several more opportunities to have a crack it again, in the future is there? A run of half a dozen games (not always against decent opposition) can do it. However, gaining promotion, is a completely and utterly different proposition altogether. I suppose that's a fair point, it's not like it's our only chance to win the cup this year. I would disagree that mounting a promotion campaign from the Champ would be harder than winning the FA Cup though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 7, 2011 22:22:47 GMT
Hang on a sec, we've got to two quarter finals in three seasons since we've been back in the top flight, there's not a lot of evidence to suggest, that we wouldn't have several more opportunities to have a crack it again, in the future is there? A run of half a dozen games (not always against decent opposition) can do it. However, gaining promotion, is a completely and utterly different proposition altogether. I suppose that's a fair point, it's not like it's our only chance to win the cup this year. I would disagree that mounting a promotion campaign from the Champ would be harder than winning the FA Cup though. The point I'm making chap, is that with a favourable draw, then a run of half a dozen games can see you win the FA cup ... for fucks sake, we've seen a relegated Pompey and Millwall reach the final in recent years. To gain promotion into the Premiership, you're going to have to achieve a helluva lot more than go on a flukey run.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2011 22:30:10 GMT
I suppose that's a fair point, it's not like it's our only chance to win the cup this year. I would disagree that mounting a promotion campaign from the Champ would be harder than winning the FA Cup though. The point I'm making chap, is that with a favourable draw, then a run of half a dozen games can see you win the FA cup ... for fucks sake, we've seen a relegated Pompey and Millwall reach the final in recent years. To gain promotion into the Premiership, you're going to have to achieve a helluva lot more than go on a flukey run. But flukey runs are exactly that - flukes, anomolies. You make it sound like any old team can string together a few games and get to the final. Let me remind you that it is something that we have never done in 140-odd attempts. We've got promotion to the top division loads of times.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 7, 2011 22:32:30 GMT
I would take the cup.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2011 22:48:06 GMT
Another little stat, just looking at the records - in the 23 years since Wimbledon famously lifted the cup, a grand total of three teams from outside the established big four have won it.
Two were Everton and Tottenham (who were up there with the top teams too), and one was Pompey (freak aberration).
The more I look at it, the more winning the FA Cup would make even our Premiership status pale in historical importance.
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