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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 9:43:24 GMT
Many of you seem to believe that Pulis will, at some point in the near future, change his footballing style to something more attacking and positive.
I'm afraid you won't see that happen whilst you've got holes in your arses as he's dished up the same gash football ever since he entered football management.
It doesn't matter if we're mid-table, in a relegation battle or pushing for promotion - it's defensive, negative drivel or nothing. You've only got to look back at the number of clubs he's been to and pissed off to see this.
I couldn't give a monkeys about been in the Premier League if we're going to continue to bore the pants off everyone, apart from our own 3 point monkeys of course, and, embarrassingly, find some sort of bizarre pride in sticking two fingers up to everyone who comments on our style.
It's an admission that we know we're fucking awful but haven't got the guts to admit it.
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Post by comeoneidur on Feb 14, 2011 9:53:20 GMT
Squarebell, if your so bored with pulis, why do you continue to go to matches you know you wont enjoy??? We got up into the prem with pulis, he has kept us here, if he never changes how he plays it would be sad to think that we play the same way forever, but you clearly have not seen how different we have played since promotion. Sorensen, Griffin, Cort, Abdoulaye Faye, Dickinson, Lawrence, Olofinjana, Delap, Amdy Faye, Kitson, Fuller The team that played against villa in 2008 apparently. And we have not improved, and are boring? Behave
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 10:07:55 GMT
Squarebell, if your so bored with pulis, why do you continue to go to matches you know you wont enjoy??? We got up into the prem with pulis, he has kept us here, if he never changes how he plays it would be sad to think that we play the same way forever, but you clearly have not seen how different we have played since promotion. Sorensen, Griffin, Cort, Abdoulaye Faye, Dickinson, Lawrence, Olofinjana, Delap, Amdy Faye, Kitson, Fuller The team that played against villa in 2008 apparently. And we have not improved, and are boring? Behave I haven't paid to watch Stoke since the first season in the Prem and to be frank, your belief that we've improved since promotion is horseshit. We've spent a lot of money to see a bit of tinkering around the edges with no real result in the quality of football and no improvement in the entertainment factor. I'll probably be accused of commenting on something I've no right to be commenting on because I don't attend games but the reaction of my season ticket friends after most games and the odd live game on Sky proves that Pulis continues to dish up the same old survival football. Wake me up when it's all over as at present, for me anyway, the manager's football style is preventing me from watching my local side.
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Post by bristolpotter on Feb 14, 2011 10:10:02 GMT
We do play utterly shite football, its hard to watch, but it here's to stay whilst Pulis is in charge, do we get rid?? who knows what would happen, but come on Bolton, Blackburn etc have gotten rid of managers and stayed up regardless.
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Post by bristolpotter123 on Feb 14, 2011 10:11:02 GMT
I dont think there's an argument with what has been achieved so far but what happens in the premier league is that teams can change their season round very quickly , look at the effect of Sturridge at Bolton and possibly Ba at West Ham. But we seem to be standing still . The league position is probably more due to other teams like Everton under performing than our own form which is very unreliable , particuarly away from home. I also think people were disappointed with Tuncay going and Carew coming which doesn't look like progress and has left the squad looking distinctly thin.
We have enough winnable home games left to stay up but regardless of the style of football but we need a serious strengthening come the summer.
Its not the way you play that counts but how well you do it , we play percentage football and its not pretty or even the best but if your'e lucky it gets results against teams who either aren't strong enough or skillful enough to compete.
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Post by comeoneidur on Feb 14, 2011 10:23:51 GMT
Oh, sorry squarebell, i didnt realise you were a such a man of knowledge, you cant comment on stoke football whilst listening to a few people and watching 5 games a year on sky. How is matty not an improvement on amdy faye, huth and shawcross on faye and cort, pennant on lawrence - i must admit, that is tinkering around the edges Also, the signing of carew is a fantastic one and nothing less, he is by far the most talented forward we've had at this club for years, I agree we could do with more flair and depth in wide areas plus the sale of some driftwood but to say results are down to luck is like saying that arsenal are lucky that there passing around the back can open up defences.
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Post by lew86 on Feb 14, 2011 10:27:42 GMT
We are improving if you look at the names- but our football is fucking hideous lately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 10:31:23 GMT
We are improving if you look at the names- but our football is fucking hideous lately. Spot on, which is why you have to question if Pulis will ever change his style. He can't, he won't and he doesn't care.
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Post by prem4stoke on Feb 14, 2011 10:37:23 GMT
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 14, 2011 10:41:55 GMT
Squareball is correct of course.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 10:43:23 GMT
Whats wrong with mixing both? Some good passing football mixed with some steel.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 10:44:58 GMT
We need a major revamp in summer; it may be time to think the unthinkable for some; If it was my money I would want to ensure that it was going to be spent wisely progressing the club, if that means replacing the manager, I would do so before commiting all my resources.
I am happy with what Pulis has achieved and would welcome the opportunity for him to demonstrate how he will take us forward. In the end the future of Stoke City is more important than any player or manager. We have a chairman who is willing to provide funds, but he is getting older, as we all are, and will probably want to see the results of his investment.
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Post by comeoneidur on Feb 14, 2011 10:47:24 GMT
One question though, what is the desired style?? Football had always been a more direct sport in england, it started to change when some teams flooded their decks with europeans. We will never play football like arsenal, who to be honest are very boring to watch for 70 minutes against most teams and only really turn it on for a couple of minutes throughout a game, they, just like we do, have purple patches of possession where the momentum shifts and they can really push forward. The difference being, we have spent nowhere near the same amount of money as some of the teams in this division who have been able to then bring in players with bigger reputations, better technical ability etc. Besides, yes we've spent money on our team improving it, and Mr Red, if you honestly cant see how much better pennant is on the wing than delap was, how much it changes our team then you are insane.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:20:28 GMT
Squareball is correct of course. He isn't really though. Even this season, it hasn't been "negative drivel" all the way through - there was a phase where we treated every game as winnable and showed a bit of ambition in games. The problem is that we've inexplicably stopped doing that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 14:40:30 GMT
I'm with march! He usually does recover. But in the case of our promotion season he got damn lucky. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was just football but when Griff got injured at Coventry we went on to win the next 3 and draw with Leicester. To me Griff was the obvious weak link (along with Pugh) at full back but TP did nowt about it. We actually only won 1 in 8 previously but then Griff got injured and we suddenly win 3 and get that draw. Some people will read this as me thinking I'm better than TP and shit like that, I DON'T. It's just what I thought was the problem and then when he was gone we won. Was it a question of luck? The simple answer is we don't know, we could have easily still won those games. I think the question of taking us far as he can, can only be valid after this summer. If he doesn't/can't address the areas that need addressing then I think people will get pissed off. This summer will be massive and he has done enough to deserve a shot at it. This summer is the acid test to see if TP's plans match with the fans. Actually, Bayern, the problems (that every supporter could see was obvious, but Pulis couldn't) was Griffin (who was playing awful at right back) and Ameobi (who was a disaster like Diao is now), and not Pugh. Both Ameobi and Griff were injured on the same day; Pulis was forced to change the side, and, wa-la, we improved drastically and went onto automatic promotion. I have no doubts at all that had those players not been injured, we would not now be in The Prem. OS. It was Pugh as well. He was woeful at full back for us in the Championship and like Griff would get done in the air at the back stick most games. He changed Pugh as well for Dicko and again it worked.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Feb 14, 2011 14:51:29 GMT
Does someone mind telling me what exactly TP has done wrong at his time at Stoke ???
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 15:13:23 GMT
Does someone mind telling me what exactly TP has done wrong at his time at Stoke On balance I would suggest he has done very well for us; of course he has made mistakes but the things he has done right outweighs them. I hope he has a plan to take us forward so that we get out of the surviving in the Premier League mentality; we should start next year as an established side and seek to obtain a place in Europe as our next target; we do however seem to be short of the basic passing and shooting skills and we have gaps being filled by players playing out of position. An FA cup run would be great and this Summer will be extremely interesting.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Feb 14, 2011 16:28:44 GMT
Does someone mind telling me what exactly TP has done wrong at his time at Stoke ??? We dont play like West Brom and we are not in the champions league.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 16:34:17 GMT
Does someone mind telling me what exactly TP has done wrong at his time at Stoke
We dont play like West Brom and we are not in the champions league.Absolutely right! Just one small point, West Brom are 17th and have been up and down like a yo-yo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 16:38:40 GMT
Who actually wants us to play like West Brom, I've never got that.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 16:52:29 GMT
Who actually wants us to play like West Brom, I've never got that. You clearly don't appreciate losing gracefully, shouting boing boing or carrying a giant banana; it would enhance you knowledge; of course the nurse would have to have you back in the home by 6:00pm! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 14, 2011 16:53:02 GMT
Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other on here?
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 16:59:09 GMT
Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other on here? I believe the majority are in favour of a compromise between the two which involves players being used in their natural position and developing passing and shooting skills
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Feb 14, 2011 17:01:57 GMT
We dont play like West Brom and we are not in the champions league.Absolutely right! Just one small point, West Brom are 17th and have been up and down like a yo-yo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But their football is more attractive, and thats the main thing according to some on here
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 14, 2011 17:05:06 GMT
We dont play like West Brom and we are not in the champions league.
Absolutely right!
Just one small point, West Brom are 17th and have been up and down like a yo-yo
But their football is more attractive, and thats the main thing according to some on hereI am but a simple Stokie with simple priorities 1 Don't lose 2 Win 3 Play attractive football provided it does not interfere with 1 or 2
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 17:07:31 GMT
Absolutely right! Just one small point, West Brom are 17th and have been up and down like a yo-yo ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But their football is more attractive, and thats the main thing according to some on here *Bashes head on desk*
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 14, 2011 18:10:01 GMT
Why does it always have to be one extreme or the other on here? I believe the majority are in favour of a compromise between the two which involves players being used in their natural position and developing passing and shooting skills You're probably right. But there are posters on here which are so extremely on one side of the fence, that they're sitting by the pool. Of course, I want Stoke to stay up and generally do well. I'd just like to have something to get excited about during games.
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