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Post by march4 on Feb 13, 2011 23:51:48 GMT
didnt we play nicer football under Boskamp? how many season ticket holders did we have then? Is there really no happy medium between the two? Personally I'd settle for us playing how we did in November/December as opposed to the timid, ineffective dross we've seen in the last month. November I grant you. December was not as good as January results wise.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 13, 2011 23:54:31 GMT
Hang on a minute. Pulis got us promoted and we have had 3 seasons in the top flight. Whether you are with him or not the title of this thread is a fucking joke surely not really a lot of people don't like the style of football that we playing Tony Pulis has got a very distinct style that has got us promoted and kept us here for three years The question is ... would you prefer to be bored out of your skull every week and stop in the Premiership or have a go at a more adventurous type of exciting football and run the risk of being relegated. In fairness mater I dont think any fucker would want us to be relegated. But neither are we bored out of our skulls every week. Surely thats Derby ???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 23:57:49 GMT
Is there really no happy medium between the two? Personally I'd settle for us playing how we did in November/December as opposed to the timid, ineffective dross we've seen in the last month. November I grant you. December was not as good as January results wise. Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though?
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Post by march4 on Feb 13, 2011 23:59:24 GMT
November I grant you. December was not as good as January results wise. Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though? That is the million dollar question. Have you noticed how much more sensible this board has become now all the children are in bed?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 13, 2011 23:59:26 GMT
not really a lot of people don't like the style of football that we playing Tony Pulis has got a very distinct style that has got us promoted and kept us here for three years The question is ... would you prefer to be bored out of your skull every week and stop in the Premiership or have a go at a more adventurous type of exciting football and run the risk of being relegated. In fairness mater I dont think any fucker would want us to be relegated. But neither are we bored out of our skulls every week. Surely thats Derby ??? Well, I can assure you that many people are bored shitless with the tactics employed at the moment, especially away games.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:00:15 GMT
In fairness mater I dont think any fucker would want us to be relegated. But neither are we bored out of our skulls every week. Surely thats Derby ??? Well, I can assure you that many people are bored shitless with the tactics employed at the moment, especially away games. First half was fine on Saturday, wasn't it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 0:01:35 GMT
November I grant you. December was not as good as January results wise. Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though? I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 14, 2011 0:02:35 GMT
Well, I can assure you that many people are bored shitless with the tactics employed at the moment, especially away games. First half was fine on Saturday, wasn't it? No Fuller should have ben on from the start
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:02:38 GMT
Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though? I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up. He usually recovers though.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 14, 2011 0:02:52 GMT
I find fans of clubs saying they would rather go down than play our style of football incredibly stupid. We have had years of nil success and I don't want to go back to that. I really believe only TP would have gotten us promoted two years ago so I have faith that he will keep us up. Although I have many reservations about where he is taking us I believe he will progress us even if it doesn't go as fast or as far as some people want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:03:30 GMT
Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though? I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up. If that really is the case then questioning if he's taken us as far as he can is entirely valid after all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:04:48 GMT
I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up. He usually recovers though. Is that really good enough? What do we do when the hallowed "three year plan" has come to fruition? Keep spending good money after bad and just accept that the manager is going to panic and sabotage us for a couple of months a season?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 14, 2011 0:05:08 GMT
Yeah, fair enough (albeit only by two points) Why have we stopped using that approach though? I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:07:30 GMT
He usually recovers though. Is that really good enough? What do we do when the hallowed "three year plan" has come to fruition? Keep spending good money after bad and just accept that the manager is going to panic and sabotage us for a couple of months a season? So long as we keep improving so what? When we were promoted, how many of us even dared to dream that we would be in this position now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:10:20 GMT
Some will think of something to moan about even if we win. At the moment its TPs interviews or lack of it.Theres always something wrong with Tone in some peoples eyes. Some simply have it in for him. I said on another thread that would complain about him having odd socks on, or wearing an awful tie.its simply unbelievable. Good post. Good post!? I'm thinking this shows your level of expectation. It may also explain why you're happy with the way we play.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 14, 2011 0:11:00 GMT
I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up. If that really is the case then questioning if he's taken us as far as he can is entirely valid after all. I think the question here is what does Peter Coates think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:10:35 GMT
Is that really good enough? What do we do when the hallowed "three year plan" has come to fruition? Keep spending good money after bad and just accept that the manager is going to panic and sabotage us for a couple of months a season? So long as we keep improving so what? When we were promoted, how many of us even dared to dream that we would be in this position now? That's it though - we're not going to "keep improving" if we regress in the way we have done are we? We're creating less, we're more predictable, we've lost our last four away. Effectively writing off several months of the season because "Tony goes a bit mad sometimes" isn't going to see us go any further is it?
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:12:34 GMT
If that really is the case then questioning if he's taken us as far as he can is entirely valid after all. I think the question here is what does Peter Coates think? I think Peter Coates looks on TP as his adopted son and will let him carry on in his own peculiar way for so long as he wants to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 0:12:53 GMT
I think he has shit it. It's standard Pulis. When things are going well he shits it and does crazy things. Wether it be Gillingham in that play off final or our promotion season when we didn't win in 10. Something happens and he loses his head, crawls into his shell and it goes tits up. If that really is the case then questioning if he's taken us as far as he can is entirely valid after all. I'm with march! He usually does recover. But in the case of our promotion season he got damn lucky. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was just football but when Griff got injured at Coventry we went on to win the next 3 and draw with Leicester. To me Griff was the obvious weak link (along with Pugh) at full back but TP did nowt about it. We actually only won 1 in 8 previously but then Griff got injured and we suddenly win 3 and get that draw. Some people will read this as me thinking I'm better than TP and shit like that, I DON'T. It's just what I thought was the problem and then when he was gone we won. Was it a question of luck? The simple answer is we don't know, we could have easily still won those games. I think the question of taking us far as he can, can only be valid after this summer. If he doesn't/can't address the areas that need addressing then I think people will get pissed off. This summer will be massive and he has done enough to deserve a shot at it. This summer is the acid test to see if TP's plans match with the fans.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 14, 2011 0:17:21 GMT
If that really is the case then questioning if he's taken us as far as he can is entirely valid after all. I'm with march! He usually does recover. But in the case of our promotion season he got damn lucky. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was just football but when Griff got injured at Coventry we went on to win the next 3 and draw with Leicester. To me Griff was the obvious weak link (along with Pugh) at full back but TP did nowt about it. We actually only won 1 in 8 previously but then Griff got injured and we suddenly win 3 and get that draw. Some people will read this as me thinking I'm better than TP and shit like that, I DON'T. It's just what I thought was the problem and then when he was gone we won. Was it a question of luck? The simple answer is we don't know, we could have easily still won those games. I think the question of taking us far as he can, can only be valid after this summer. If he doesn't/can't address the areas that need addressing then I think people will get pissed off. This summer will be massive and he has done enough to deserve a shot at it. This summer is the acid test to see if TP's plans match with the fans. Kinell... this Summer is going to be massive he'll sign a centre-half, a striker and Richard Creswell. then we'll get another twelve months of Pulisball in the Prem Happy Days x ;D
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:18:01 GMT
I'm with march! He usually does recover. But in the case of our promotion season he got damn lucky. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was just football but when Griff got injured at Coventry we went on to win the next 3 and draw with Leicester. To me Griff was the obvious weak link (along with Pugh) at full back but TP did nowt about it. We actually only won 1 in 8 previously but then Griff got injured and we suddenly win 3 and get that draw. Some people will read this as me thinking I'm better than TP and shit like that, I DON'T. It's just what I thought was the problem and then when he was gone we won. Was it a question of luck? The simple answer is we don't know, we could have easily still won those games. I think the question of taking us far as he can, can only be valid after this summer. If he doesn't/can't address the areas that need addressing then I think people will get pissed off. This summer will be massive and he has done enough to deserve a shot at it. This summer is the acid test to see if TP's plans match with the fans. Kinell... this Summer is going to be massive he'll sign a centre-half, a striker and Richard Creswell. then we'll get another twelve months of Pulisball in the Prem Happy Days x ;D Brilliant! I can't wait. ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 0:18:16 GMT
I'm with march! He usually does recover. But in the case of our promotion season he got damn lucky. Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was just football but when Griff got injured at Coventry we went on to win the next 3 and draw with Leicester. To me Griff was the obvious weak link (along with Pugh) at full back but TP did nowt about it. We actually only won 1 in 8 previously but then Griff got injured and we suddenly win 3 and get that draw. Some people will read this as me thinking I'm better than TP and shit like that, I DON'T. It's just what I thought was the problem and then when he was gone we won. Was it a question of luck? The simple answer is we don't know, we could have easily still won those games. I think the question of taking us far as he can, can only be valid after this summer. If he doesn't/can't address the areas that need addressing then I think people will get pissed off. This summer will be massive and he has done enough to deserve a shot at it. This summer is the acid test to see if TP's plans match with the fans. Kinell... this Summer is going to be massive he'll sign a centre-half, a striker and Richard Creswell. then we'll get another twelve months of Pulisball in the Prem Happy Days x ;D ;D I won't be happy unless Pericard and Pulis jnr return!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:20:45 GMT
Kinell... this Summer is going to be massive he'll sign a centre-half, a striker and Richard Creswell. then we'll get another twelve months of Pulisball in the Prem Happy Days x ;D Brilliant! I can't wait. ;D March, what do you think of the "three year plan" talk?
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:22:43 GMT
Brilliant! I can't wait. ;D March, what do you think of the "three year plan" talk? I think Uncle Peter is going to go for it big style. We are now an established Prem team, but he isn't getting any younger. I think he wants his place in history as the man who brought glory to SCFC.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2011 0:24:40 GMT
I think the question here is what does Peter Coates think? I think Peter Coates looks on TP as his adopted son and will let him carry on in his own peculiar way for so long as he wants to. That's the perceived wisdom, but we really don't know how he's viewing events from on high, do we? How old is he? 72? Maybe he would pull the trigger if he felt things were going awry? What does he class 'success' as over the next 2-3 years? Is he still purely results-oriented? Sons and fathers do sometimes fall out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 0:24:51 GMT
March, what do you think of the "three year plan" talk? I think Uncle Peter is going to go for it big style. We are now an established Prem team, but he isn't getting any younger. I think he wants his place in history as the man who brought glory to SCFC. So it refers to more big spending, rather than any change of approach? Do you trust TP to spend the money wisely on the players who can bring this glory? I ask because you've absolutely despised a number of Tone's big money buys every season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2011 0:24:52 GMT
Will this summer be the last chance to spend big before these financial fair play rules come in?
2 full backs 2 central midfielders 2 strikers and some decent back up for the wing are the minimum we need. And we need to keep Shawcross, Huth and Begovic too. That's if we stay up of course. Anything less isn't good enough.
As for Coates, I reckon he'll be a bit pissed off. I spoke to someone about the training ground and the basic line was TP thinks it's for him but really PC wants it for the academy and wants to use it more. source-"a director"
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 14, 2011 0:27:54 GMT
I,ve enjoyed our home games. Not the away ones. Is that bad????
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 0:28:18 GMT
I think Uncle Peter is going to go for it big style. We are now an established Prem team, but he isn't getting any younger. I think he wants his place in history as the man who brought glory to SCFC. So it refers to more big spending, rather than any change of approach? Do you trust TP to spend the money wisely on the players who can bring this glory? I ask because you've absolutely despised a number of Tone's big money buys every season. I have little doubt that PC trusts TP implicitly. Expect big signings for attack and midfield - Dave was right when he said these should be priorities. TP does have to get it right though and I can imagine that the Ba catastrophe has really annoyed him. I still think we should be very optimistic about the future prospects of our great club.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2011 0:29:56 GMT
March, what do you think of the "three year plan" talk? I think Uncle Peter is going to go for it big style. We are now an established Prem team, but he isn't getting any younger. I think he wants his place in history as the man who brought glory to SCFC. So you think Year 4 of the masterplan calls for further release of funds, rather than playing style evolution? Would that, in itself, make us more attractive to..say...Wilson Palacios? With us looking home and hosed regarding safety on Jan 31st, why wouldn't the release of funds needed to attract a Palacios-standard player have been forthcoming then? When the calendar ticks over to June, we aren't going to look much more of a Premier League perennial than we do now, are we? This 3-year plan thing, I've got to say, looks suspiciously like horse shit of the purest kind ;D
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