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Post by chattyladypotter on Dec 29, 2010 18:46:13 GMT
no other prem manager would do a better job than TP for stoke. We have just signed pennent this is proof that we are evloving TP and coatsy care about this club, Coyle and co care about how much money they are offered and would sell us out in the blink of an eye, those fans that cant wait for fancy footy can fuck off to west brom if they want sommat more pleasing on the eye and good fucking riddance. bring on everton......... goarrrrrrn stoke!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:47:07 GMT
It's not perfect, there's a lot wrong with it, but the proof of the pudding is that we're doing well - top half of the Prem, not far off a Europa league place, creating more chances than we did last year, playing with two wingers. Rome wasn't built in a day. And Owen Coyle signed some right shite at Burnley. creating more chances than we did last year. Are we really? In the games I've watched (all but one) I'd say we don't 'create' much at all. Did you use the word 'create' by mistake? ;D No. Last season we weren't creating anything. This season, with two wingers, we're creating a lot more. We could have had five at Blackburn and five against Blackpool. We've hit the woodwork countless times. Last season only two teams had less shots than us. This year we've had more than the likes of Citeh, Blackpool and Villa.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:53:16 GMT
Not sure whether they are not doing their homework properly, or just that there are some poor teams in our division. Fact is, we aren't hard to beat. A team that is hard to beat would have got more draws and picked up less defeats than we have. I'm not getting ahead of myself...I think that with the current manager, and approach to games, regardless of who the players are*, we are as far now as we're ever going to be. Europe is a pipe-dream as that requires consistency across a season. A 'hit and miss' style of football will not achieve consistency. Hence, 10th place is an achievement. We are at the pinnacle. * I'm making an assumption that any 'very good' player worth his salt, who would drastically improve our starting XI, wouldn't come to Stoke, especially if part of the negotiation process involved them watching us play before signing. Here are my problems with this: - Nobody outside the top five is massively consistent. - Funny how the "boo hoo, it's not Pulis, it's that all the other teams are rubbish" line is trotted out EVERY BLOODY YEAR. - And every year we get "talented players won't come to Stoke" and then every year we bring in an Etherington, Tuncay or Pennant. - OK, I'll give you that one, but my point is that the 'Blunderbuss' approach that we adopt is more or less by definition, inconsistent. - I maintain, we are not where we are because we are very good. We are less bad than others. Hardly a ringing endorsement. - It's fair to say that none of those 3 were proven to be top-drawer Premier League players; Ethers had lost his way that WHU and wasn't getting a look-in. Tuncay did OK in a poor Middlesbrough side. Pennant had also lost his way. There weren't queues round the block for any of them as they weren't seen as top-notch & delivering players. I'm talking about proven players who we know from day one would improve the team - I could put a list together but can't be arsed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:54:52 GMT
creating more chances than we did last year. Are we really? In the games I've watched (all but one) I'd say we don't 'create' much at all. Did you use the word 'create' by mistake? ;D No. Last season we weren't creating anything. This season, with two wingers, we're creating a lot more. We could have had five at Blackburn and five against Blackpool. We've hit the woodwork countless times. Last season only two teams had less shots than us. This year we've had more than the likes of Citeh, Blackpool and Villa. Are those real chances, or are those TP's Radio Stoke post-match interview chances? If your stats are correct, I'm surprised.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 18:55:08 GMT
no other prem manager would do a better job than TP for stoke. We have just signed pennent this is proof that we are evloving TP and coatsy care about this club, Coyle and co care about how much money they are offered and would sell us out in the blink of an eye, those fans that cant wait for fancy footy can fuck off to west brom if they want sommat more pleasing on the eye and good fucking riddance. bring on everton......... goarrrrrrn stoke! Be careful what you wish for and all that, the majority of our crowd are not 'loyal' supporters, shit boring football might see them returning to whatever they previously did on a saturday afternoon. Without the numbers in attendance the club is nothing. Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes. Besides, you are a woman, you are supposed to be seen and not heard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:56:28 GMT
Here are my problems with this: - Nobody outside the top five is massively consistent. - Funny how the "boo hoo, it's not Pulis, it's that all the other teams are rubbish" line is trotted out EVERY BLOODY YEAR. - And every year we get "talented players won't come to Stoke" and then every year we bring in an Etherington, Tuncay or Pennant. - OK, I'll give you that one, but my point is that the 'Blunderbuss' approach that we adopt is more or less by definition, inconsistent. - I maintain, we are not where we are because we are very good. We are less bad than others. Hardly a ringing endorsement. - It's fair to say that none of those 3 were proven to be top-drawer Premier League players; Ethers had lost his way that WHU and wasn't getting a look-in. Tuncay did OK in a poor Middlesbrough side. Pennant had also lost his way. There weren't queues round the block for any of them as they weren't seen as top-notch & delivering players. I'm talking about proven players who we know from day one would improve the team - I could put a list together but can't be arsed This is my point about overly high expectations though. "Top class, delivering players" aren't going to come here whoever the manager is, because with or without Pulis, Stoke City are - and always have been - an unfashionable club. There's a lot wrong with our style but it's funny how some would rather suggest every year that we're somehow lucky because it kills them inside to give the manager any credit - he's obviously doing a lot right given the progress we have made.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:57:02 GMT
no other prem manager would do a better job than TP for stoke. We have just signed pennent this is proof that we are evloving TP and coatsy care about this club, Coyle and co care about how much money they are offered and would sell us out in the blink of an eye, those fans that cant wait for fancy footy can fuck off to west brom if they want sommat more pleasing on the eye and good fucking riddance. bring on everton......... goarrrrrrn stoke! Be careful what you wish for and all that, the majority of our crowd are not 'loyal' supporters, shit boring football might see them returning to whatever they previously did on a saturday afternoon. Without the numbers in attendance the club is nothing. Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes. Besides, you are a woman, you are supposed to be seen and not heard. Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes.What if we'd gone as far as we can, ie we couldn't progress in terms of achievement - would you still be happy to watch a turgid load of bollocks knowing we'd reached our peak?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 18:58:19 GMT
No. Last season we weren't creating anything. This season, with two wingers, we're creating a lot more. We could have had five at Blackburn and five against Blackpool. We've hit the woodwork countless times. Last season only two teams had less shots than us. This year we've had more than the likes of Citeh, Blackpool and Villa. Are those real chances, or are those TP's Radio Stoke post-match interview chances? If your stats are correct, I'm surprised. www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_2705370,00.html
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Post by stokiecarl09 on Dec 29, 2010 18:59:16 GMT
Didn't pennant have the most crosses in the premiership a few years ago?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 19:02:26 GMT
- OK, I'll give you that one, but my point is that the 'Blunderbuss' approach that we adopt is more or less by definition, inconsistent. - I maintain, we are not where we are because we are very good. We are less bad than others. Hardly a ringing endorsement. - It's fair to say that none of those 3 were proven to be top-drawer Premier League players; Ethers had lost his way that WHU and wasn't getting a look-in. Tuncay did OK in a poor Middlesbrough side. Pennant had also lost his way. There weren't queues round the block for any of them as they weren't seen as top-notch & delivering players. I'm talking about proven players who we know from day one would improve the team - I could put a list together but can't be arsed This is my point about overly high expectations though. "Top class, delivering players" aren't going to come here whoever the manager is, because with or without Pulis, Stoke City are - and always have been - an unfashionable club. There's a lot wrong with our style but it's funny how some would rather suggest every year that we're somehow lucky because it kills them inside to give the manager any credit - he's obviously doing a lot right given the progress we have made. I'm not anti-Pulis at all and can't think of another available manager I'd rather have. He has though had £80m to spend and whilst there are some gems in there, there are also some small pebbly turds left around which he also has to take the credit for. £80m is a huge chunk of money, though maybe not in relative terms. In theory it should buy you a very very good first XI at what, £7.5m average per player? That amount of money should probably have us all looking at the first XI and thinking 'thats as good as we're ever going to get'. Instead, it still needs serious improvement in half of all outfield positions. Frightening.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 19:02:50 GMT
Be careful what you wish for and all that, the majority of our crowd are not 'loyal' supporters, shit boring football might see them returning to whatever they previously did on a saturday afternoon. Without the numbers in attendance the club is nothing. Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes. Besides, you are a woman, you are supposed to be seen and not heard. Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes.What if we'd gone as far as we can, ie we couldn't progress in terms of achievement - would you still be happy to watch a turgid load of bollocks knowing we'd reached our peak? I think there is always room for improvement if the right man is in charge, allthough imo Pulis and 'his' tactic has taken us as far as we go, just like improving the players we need a manager who can take us to that next level, i'm not sure Pulis anfd 'his' tactic is the one to do it. Look at coyle at bolton, I bet they are so gutted Megson went with the horrible football they play now. There is always room for improvement, it's about finding the right person, a person who will use the world wide transfer market instead of an overpriced English top 2 division one, a manager who has more than one trick up his sleeve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 19:04:19 GMT
Pulis has been at Stoke this term for 6 years, 6 years of shit football despite results is enough in my eyes.What if we'd gone as far as we can, ie we couldn't progress in terms of achievement - would you still be happy to watch a turgid load of bollocks knowing we'd reached our peak? I think there is always room for improvement if the right man is in charge, allthough imo Pulis and 'his' tactic has taken us as far as we go, just like improving the players we need a manager who can take us to that next level, i'm not sure Pulis anfd 'his' tactic is the one to do it. Look at coyle at bolton, I bet they are so gutted Megson went with the horrible football they play now. There is always room for improvement, it's about finding the right person, a person who will use the world wide transfer market instead of an overpriced English top 2 division one, a manager who has more than one trick up his sleeve. So, TP out then??
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 29, 2010 19:07:26 GMT
Before I get a torrent of abuse this is not a reaction to a few shite performances. Its more an objective consideration of the future planning of the club. There are 2 very good unemployed managers out there Martin O' neill and Raphael Benitez. I would be thinking very seriously about a change in the summer. Both O'neill and Benitez play a cautious style of football similar to TP' tactics but they are far superior in terms of tactical ability. Benitez lives on the Wirral and O'neill in the midlands. I think they could both be interested in Coates vision for the future. There are not too many managers around who could improve on what TP has achieved but either of these could. Forward planning Mr Coates please and this could be perfect timing Great post. If Tony Clueless serves up any more dross like yesterday PC will be looking at the likes of MON, make no mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 19:07:36 GMT
This is my point about overly high expectations though. "Top class, delivering players" aren't going to come here whoever the manager is, because with or without Pulis, Stoke City are - and always have been - an unfashionable club. There's a lot wrong with our style but it's funny how some would rather suggest every year that we're somehow lucky because it kills them inside to give the manager any credit - he's obviously doing a lot right given the progress we have made. I'm not anti-Pulis at all and can't think of another available manager I'd rather have. He has though had £80m to spend and whilst there are some gems in there, there are also some small pebbly turds left around which he also has to take the credit for. £80m is a huge chunk of money, though maybe not in relative terms. In theory it should buy you a very very good first XI at what, £7.5m average per player? That amount of money should probably have us all looking at the first XI and thinking 'thats as good as we're ever going to get'. Instead, it still needs serious improvement in half of all outfield positions. Frightening. Again, you don't turn a mid-table Championship team into an established Prem one immediately and for free. No promoted team gets all of their signings right. Whatever Sunderland's "net spending" is (to me that just suggests they've had to ship an awful lot of the shite they'd brought in back out again), they have spent probably twice what we have in transfer fees and yet they are only now seeing any results.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 29, 2010 19:08:53 GMT
I think there is always room for improvement if the right man is in charge, allthough imo Pulis and 'his' tactic has taken us as far as we go, just like improving the players we need a manager who can take us to that next level, i'm not sure Pulis anfd 'his' tactic is the one to do it. Look at coyle at bolton, I bet they are so gutted Megson went with the horrible football they play now. There is always room for improvement, it's about finding the right person, a person who will use the world wide transfer market instead of an overpriced English top 2 division one, a manager who has more than one trick up his sleeve. So, TP out then?? I'd like to think the central midfield will contain footballers instead of runners and proper full backs t the end of January, if he goes for more destroyers and equally shite full backs, you tell me. Significant improvements have to be made imo, and thats not just transfers, it's tactics and invention as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 19:12:22 GMT
I'm not anti-Pulis at all and can't think of another available manager I'd rather have. He has though had £80m to spend and whilst there are some gems in there, there are also some small pebbly turds left around which he also has to take the credit for. £80m is a huge chunk of money, though maybe not in relative terms. In theory it should buy you a very very good first XI at what, £7.5m average per player? That amount of money should probably have us all looking at the first XI and thinking 'thats as good as we're ever going to get'. Instead, it still needs serious improvement in half of all outfield positions. Frightening. Again, you don't turn a mid-table Championship team into an established Prem one immediately and for free. No promoted team gets all of their signings right. Whatever Sunderland's "net spending" is (to me that just suggests they've had to ship an awful lot of the shite they'd brought in back out again), they have spent probably twice what we have in transfer fees and yet they are only now seeing any results. And we go above them if we win the game in hand.
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Post by trebor63 on Dec 29, 2010 19:16:03 GMT
Re :- Hope Mr Coates is thinking what I am thinking
I can assure you Mr Coates is of sound mind, therefore no he isn't. Hope this helps.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 29, 2010 19:29:11 GMT
Re :- Hope Mr Coates is thinking what I am thinking I can assure you Mr Coates is of sound mind, therefore no he isn't. Hope this helps. Yes, that's true.... he was particularly calculating, thoughtful and on the ball during his first tenure at the helm.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 29, 2010 19:59:29 GMT
If Coatsy thought like some of you lot there'd be a lot of millionairres on here. As you arent and he is we can assume his judgement to be better
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2010 20:42:46 GMT
question 1: is TP a better manager than back in 2003? I think he is
2:can he improve I think he can
3: will he dare to sign good players (& play them)
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Post by starkiller on Dec 29, 2010 20:47:04 GMT
Everytime I think Pulls is turning a corner, with regards how he sets up his teams, he turns round and goes back up the street again.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 29, 2010 20:49:10 GMT
Before I get a torrent of abuse this is not a reaction to a few shite performances. Its more an objective consideration of the future planning of the club. There are 2 very good unemployed managers out there Martin O' neill and Raphael Benitez. I would be thinking very seriously about a change in the summer. Both O'neill and Benitez play a cautious style of football similar to TP' tactics but they are far superior in terms of tactical ability. Benitez lives on the Wirral and O'neill in the midlands. I think they could both be interested in Coates vision for the future. There are not too many managers around who could improve on what TP has achieved but either of these could. Forward planning Mr Coates please and this could be perfect timing Great post. If Tony Clueless serves up any more dross like yesterday PC will be looking at the likes of MON, make no mistake. I see you've loosened your anus albeit from another orifice. Hope you feel better.
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Post by evans1863 on Dec 29, 2010 20:59:08 GMT
I'm not for one second contemplating sacking Pulis however MON should have been the England boss for the last 4 years. Every club he's been at he's transformed How could he transform Stoke? To transform us into a top 4 team would cost another £100million! I never said he could. I like Pulis and want him to stay. Im merely observing that MON is a brilliant manager
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 29, 2010 22:18:59 GMT
Great post. If Tony Clueless serves up any more dross like yesterday PC will be looking at the likes of MON, make no mistake. I see you've loosened your anus albeit from another orifice. Hope you feel better. I do actually.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 29, 2010 22:24:11 GMT
If Coatsy thought like some of you lot there'd be a lot of millionairres on here. As you arent and he is we can assume his judgement to be better You're right of course... PC is an astute businessman who has had a fair amount of luck and fortitude. He's invested in a no- nonsense manager with a very distinct style of football who has delivered the goods. Bores the shit out of me though.
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Post by Lesalanos on Dec 29, 2010 22:43:48 GMT
The first time round pc didn't have the money and wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club. Bolton incidently are £100m+ in debt.
As for lucky, I generally find those that work the hardest, and have the most skill/brains get the most luck.
Fortunately for us pc's in charge and not your anus
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 29, 2010 22:51:21 GMT
The first time round pc didn't have the money and wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club. Bolton incidently are £100m+ in debt. As for lucky, I generally find those that work the hardest, and have the most skill/brains get the most luck. Fortunately for us pc's in charge and not your anus Well he certainly didn't work very hard on picking the team for yesterday. Lazy arsed management at its worst. Remind me, how hard do you have to work and how much skill and brains do you need to coach hoofball?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Dec 29, 2010 22:53:34 GMT
The first time round pc didn't have the money and wasn't prepared to bankrupt himself or the club. Bolton incidently are £100m+ in debt. As for lucky, I generally find those that work the hardest, and have the most skill/brains get the most luck. Fortunately for us pc's in charge and not your anus Look, I accept that PC has done a tremendous job this time round. He's also had a lot of luck regarding the timing of certain acquisitions and the advent of the internet gaming business. Good luck to him. Don't give me the heartache of the first time round though... please... he more or less raped the Club. And the football under Pulis still bores the shit out of me.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 29, 2010 23:05:24 GMT
For the first time in decades we have stability - On and off the pitch
We are financially stable, are no longer a selling club, are mid table in the Premier League (I for one still cant believe we are in the fucking thing at all) are getting sell out crowds and have signed some great players.
Yes TP can frustrate and yes it was shit yesterday but for Christs sake, see the big picture, look at how we have progressed and what we have acheived.
'And the football under Pulis still bores the shit out of me' - We are Stoke fucking City - not Barcelona !
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Post by Lesalanos on Dec 29, 2010 23:06:03 GMT
My comments were aimed at those made about mr coates. Not sure how he raped the club first time round. I was one of those wanting him out, but am big enough to recognise that he's a genuine Stoke fan, who's put this club on far sounder foundations than all but one or two other clubs.
Ref pulis though pugsley, I agree we were one dimensional yesterday and I thought he got it wrong. There's plenty of things that I would have done differently. I'd have given gudjohnsen 30 mins.
That said for a complete chimp he's done better than I could have ever imagined.
I had the pleasure a few years ago of working with a number of Charlton fans. Reading these posts reminds me so much of how they talked.
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