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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 17:34:15 GMT
Cheers admin.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 17:35:45 GMT
It absolutely mystifies me when these people get all excited about Fuller not playing when Fuller himself couldn't give a toss whether he plays or not, and has many times requested to be a sub rather than play.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 17:38:44 GMT
KJ is an excellent target man and a very good centre forward but he is no Ricardo. . Fuller is a pretty poor centre forward I'm afraid, good at setting up goals, scoring them? You must be fcuking joking, not on the same planet as KJ. Just a fact before the fuller fundamentalists appear, Jones has scored two league goals this season, Fuller scored 3 in the whole of last season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 17:43:14 GMT
Is Taz really Hackett after the quick name change ;D Quick name change?....And to think that you never even bothered to check when my account was actually opened....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 17:49:49 GMT
Fair enough. If I have then I apologise unreservedly. I'm afraid that account will have to remain suspended though. it was pretty obvious to me that it was a double account of tazi has tazi been banned aswell? Believe me i aint tazi and believe me i didn't dish up any abuse at all just incase your statement of 'it was a pretty obvious to me that it was a double account of tazi' implied otherwise.
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Post by coggy on Sept 20, 2010 18:02:34 GMT
KJ is an excellent target man and a very good centre forward but he is no Ricardo. . Fuller is a pretty poor centre forward I'm afraid, good at setting up goals, scoring them? You must be fcuking joking, not on the same planet as KJ. Just a fact before the fuller fundamentalists appear, Jones has scored two league goals this season, Fuller scored 3 in the whole of last season. I think most people are saying that it should be KJ & Ric........... not Ric and drop KJ. So who would you start with KJ ?
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:25:03 GMT
Fuller is a pretty poor centre forward I'm afraid, good at setting up goals, scoring them? You must be fcuking joking, not on the same planet as KJ. Just a fact before the fuller fundamentalists appear, Jones has scored two league goals this season, Fuller scored 3 in the whole of last season. I think most people are saying that it should be KJ & Ric........... not Ric and drop KJ. So who would you start with KJ ? I wouldn't have Fuller on from the start for certain, we need someone who can score goals and Fuller has given us ample proof that he just cannot do it, maybe have KJ up on his own sometimes, sometimes with Walters or Gudjohnsen. Let's be clear about this that Fuller DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY a full game.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2010 18:29:58 GMT
45 in 121 starts for Stoke isn't awful, is it?
Neither is a career record of 60 goals in 140 starts in the Championship.
And 11 in his first full season in the Prem in the most negative team in the division (Jones' best is 12, let's remember)
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:31:03 GMT
45 in 121 starts for Stoke isn't awful, is it? Neither is a career record of 60 goals in 140 starts in the Championship. And 11 in his first full season in the Prem in the most negative team in the division (Jones' best is 12, let's remember) How many penalties in there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:34:20 GMT
KJ is an excellent target man and a very good centre forward but he is no Ricardo. . Fuller is a pretty poor centre forward I'm afraid, good at setting up goals, scoring them? You must be fcuking joking, not on the same planet as KJ. Just a fact before the fuller fundamentalists appear, Jones has scored two league goals this season, Fuller scored 3 in the whole of last season. It's the whole "setting up goals" thing that we're struggling with.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:34:24 GMT
45 in 121 starts for Stoke isn't awful, is it? Neither is a career record of 60 goals in 140 starts in the Championship. And 11 in his first full season in the Prem in the most negative team in the division (Jones' best is 12, let's remember) And let's be honest please 'starts' doesn't include sub appearances of course 32 as far as I can see, 45 from 153 is Heskey-esque.
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Post by actongatestokie on Sept 20, 2010 18:37:58 GMT
Fuller isn't a natural goalscorer, that much is true. There is so much more to his game though. To say he CAN'T score goals is a plain lie.
His goalscoring stats have been warped over the years at Stoke because of the system he's been operating in and the creative job he's had to do. Last season he was our goalscoring and creative maverick all rolled into one, in the hardest league in the world.
To score goals in that type of scenario would rank amongst the best in the world - something even he would admit that he isn't.
Let's judge his goal exploits with two wingers in the side and a beast of a target man taking the goalscoring burden off him.
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Post by RAF on Sept 20, 2010 18:38:10 GMT
It absolutely mystifies me when these people get all excited about Fuller not playing when Fuller himself couldn't give a toss whether he plays or not, and has many times requested to be a sub rather than play. Speak to him regularly now do you? H
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Post by apb1 on Sept 20, 2010 18:39:24 GMT
slangking which Stoke players do you like? I can't remember a positive word other than in contrast to someone you're slagging off. Fuller is, in fact, great, and set up, from memory, the winners at Pompey, Fulham, Spurs (arguably) and the home win v WHU last season. Correct me if I'm wrong
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2010 18:40:09 GMT
Slangking one of the most important (if not the most important) elements of our offensive game plan, is to try and capitalise on throw-ins, corners and free kicks, we don't do pass and move but rather we try to get the ball into the final third and then try and win a set piece in that area.
Ricardo Fuller wins us more set pieces that any other player, easily and every minute he is not on the pitch we deny ourselves a major facet of how we play football.
It's crazy not to start him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 20, 2010 18:40:40 GMT
Whatever the ifs or buts about whether he wants to play (my impression from speaking to him is he gets pissed off when he doesn't play) it is an absolute fact that we look a far more threatening team when he is on the pitch.
There can be no doubt in that statement as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:41:04 GMT
Fuller isn't a natural goalscorer, that much is true. There is so much more to his game though. To say he CAN'T score goals is a plain lie. His goalscoring stats have been warped over the years at Stoke because of the system he's been operating in and the creative job he's had to do. Last season he was our goalscoring and creative maverick all rolled into one, in the hardest league in the world. To score goals in that type of scenario would rank amongst the best in the world - something even he would admit that he isn't. Let's judge his goal exploits with two wingers in the side and a beast of a target man taking the goalscoring burden off him. 'goalscoring maverick?????', do us a favour 3 LEAGUE GOALS ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:41:15 GMT
Fuller isn't a natural goalscorer, that much is true. There is so much more to his game though. To say he CAN'T score goals is a plain lie. His goalscoring stats have been warped over the years at Stoke because of the system he's been operating in and the creative job he's had to do. Last season he was our goalscoring and creative maverick all rolled into one, in the hardest league in the world. To score goals in that type of scenario would rank amongst the best in the world - something even he would admit that he isn't. Let's judge his goal exploits with two wingers in the side and a beast of a target man taking the goalscoring burden off him. Not just that, but we look far less like scoring when he doesn't play. It's him scaring the shit out of defenders, running at them, taking them on, winning free kicks, corners, throws etc that have been one of our primary attacking threats from open play. So it's mental to suddenly decide we don't need that, hence us looking fairly shit until he comes on.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:42:56 GMT
Makes me laugh when people slag Sidibe for his awful goalscoring record yet Fuller gets off scot free.
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Post by actongatestokie on Sept 20, 2010 18:43:22 GMT
Slangking one of the most important (if not the most important) elements of our game plan is to try and capitalise on throw-ins, corners and free kicks, we don't do pass and move but rather we try to get the ball into the final third and then try and win a set piece in that area. Exactly. The amount of throw in-ins we win, and goals from that OR goals from the resulting corners that come from throw ins - all from Ricardo's natural movement down the channels you would struggle to count. With the greatest of respects to Walters, I don't envisage him emulating the great Stanley Matthews at White Hart Lane - running half the pitch, beating men with skill AND power to lay on a goal for Whelan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:44:39 GMT
Makes me laugh when people slag Sidibe for his awful goalscoring record yet Fuller gets off scot free. How do you think we play without Fuller in recent years. Judging him on his goals alone screams of not actually watching us play.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 20, 2010 18:44:44 GMT
I think most people are saying that it should be KJ & Ric........... not Ric and drop KJ. So who would you start with KJ ? I wouldn't have Fuller on from the start for certain, we need someone who can score goals and Fuller has given us ample proof that he just cannot do it, maybe have KJ up on his own sometimes, sometimes with Walters or Gudjohnsen. Let's be clear about this that Fuller DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY a full game. Fuller not wanting to play is news to me. TP isn't usualy shy of informing us of players who don't want to play, maybe in this case he is protecting a player when it would be better to let us know the truth. It would certainly save alot of chest beating on here. On the question of us needing someone who can score goals on a more regular basis than Ric is there any evidence to support anyone else on the playing staff's claim to being the answer? I have read on here that Tuncay scored more regularly last year, are you advocating his inclusion?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 20, 2010 18:45:27 GMT
Makes me laugh when people slag Sidibe for his awful goalscoring record yet Fuller gets off scot free. That could be because Fuller is a very good player and Mama (no offence to the big man) isn't. Nobody with half a brain thinks that Ric is an out and out scorer of goals but we do think he is vital to us getting the ball in the oppositions half and winning set pieces and throws as well as creating mayhem to boot.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:46:21 GMT
I would rather see Tuncay start than Fuller, he can score goals, Fuller has a powder puff shot and appears to shit himself when through on goal apart from a few rare occasions.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 20, 2010 18:47:42 GMT
I would rather see Tuncay start than Fuller, he can score goals, Fuller has a powder puff shot and appears to shit himself when through on goal apart from a few rare occasions. I wasn't convinced but I've now decided that I should carefully climb out of your net slangking. You had me going for a few daft minutes.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:48:40 GMT
Makes me laugh when people slag Sidibe for his awful goalscoring record yet Fuller gets off scot free. How do you think we play without Fuller in recent years. Judging him on his goals alone screams of not actually watching us play. Alright, why did we spend the whole summer looking for strikers? Because the ones we had were no fucking good at scoring goals, that is the stark fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:48:52 GMT
I would rather see Tuncay start than Fuller, he can score goals, Fuller has a powder puff shot and appears to shit himself when through on goal apart from a few rare occasions. How do you score the goals when you've got fuck all service? Fuller makes his own.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:49:50 GMT
I would rather see Tuncay start than Fuller, he can score goals, Fuller has a powder puff shot and appears to shit himself when through on goal apart from a few rare occasions. I wasn't convinced but I've now decided that I should carefully climb out of your net slangking. You had me going for a few daft minutes. Hold on, now you are on a wind up, are you saying Fuller is a better goalscorer than Tuncay?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 18:50:22 GMT
How do you think we play without Fuller in recent years. Judging him on his goals alone screams of not actually watching us play. Alright, why did we spend the whole summer looking for strikers? Because the ones we had were no fucking good at scoring goals, that is the stark fact. Presumably because we had at least two who we wanted to shit put for starters. We weren't creating the chances to score the goals either.
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Post by slangking on Sept 20, 2010 18:50:29 GMT
I would rather see Tuncay start than Fuller, he can score goals, Fuller has a powder puff shot and appears to shit himself when through on goal apart from a few rare occasions. How do you score the goals when you've got fuck all service? Fuller makes his own. Always someone else's fault isn't it? How can he play up front all season and score just three bleeding goals? It is pathetic, and people actually want him to start, absolutely crazy.
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