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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:32:55 GMT
Is he the first sign of evolution, of mixing it up more?
Certainly looked the part first half Monday. Class players always have more time and he's certainly got that. And always looking to pick a pass.
Whereas Walters looks like a backwards step, another hard grafting forward who's not going to score too many or create much either.
Looks a lower league player to me.
Early days though for both of course.
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Post by march4 on Sept 17, 2010 16:35:29 GMT
Is he the first sign of evolution, of mixing it up more? Certainly looked the part first half Monday. Class players always have more time and he's certainly got that. And always looking to pick a pass. Whereas Walters looks like a backwards step, another hard grafting forward who's not going to score too many or create much either. Looks a lower league player to me. Didn't think much of either of them to be honest. We were much better after they went off. I fear Walters will fade away, although Wilson needs more games. I was worried by his weakness in the tackle and failure to keep to our team shape. When we were under pressure he went missing completely. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:37:40 GMT
The others are there to tackle. He's there to create (hopefully). And some of his vision was sublime.
The pass to Jones was the best I've seen down there for many a long year.
We need more than just tacklers to progress.
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Post by gibby1409 on Sept 17, 2010 16:38:20 GMT
Agree about Wilson, but not Walters!  Wilson looks like he could be a real "Player" given the time, he's got all the attributes of a modern midfielder, and he will get better and better when he's around players like Eider, Ric, Jones Matty etc, who make the kind of runs, that make playing in midfield a lot easier. I was dubious about Walters, but he has not had a poor game yet. He's quick, agressive, got a good touch, and plays with his head up. He'll be a real asset to Stoke, and like Wilson, he will get better and better. We need the mix of Players, Players who can put their foot in, and Players who can use it when we've got it, and now we have a good balance between the two types. |
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Post by offthewall on Sept 17, 2010 16:38:34 GMT
Happy with both.
You don't want a team exclusively made up with 11 of either type of player.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:40:27 GMT
Correct but Walters doesn't look exceptional at anything.
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Post by nickscfc on Sept 17, 2010 16:40:49 GMT
Is he the first sign of evolution, of mixing it up more? Certainly looked the part first half Monday. Class players always have more time and he's certainly got that. And always looking to pick a pass. Whereas Walters looks like a backwards step, another hard grafting forward who's not going to score too many or create much either. Looks a lower league player to me. Didn't think much of either of them to be honest. We were much better after they went off. I fear Walters will fade away, although Wilson needs more games. I was worried by his weakness in the tackle and failure to keep to our team shape. When we were under pressure he went missing completely. Its hard to judge either until they've each had 10 games or so. I think Wilson will be a very good signing...hes only 23 he just needs to be eased in at this level and he will be a good player im sure. As for Walters i must say out of all our signings he is the only one i'm a little worried about. He did well against Spurs and should have had a goal and looked good against Shrewsbury. Just hope he has what it takes to play at this level consistantly. Against Villa he did some decent touches but reminded me of Cresswell a bit (i dont mean that in a bad way) just ran around a lot without really getting involved. If hes going to play as a striker he needs to score goals. If not then Ric and Tuncay surely have to play ahead of him in this role. Though as i say im being a bit harsh because he needs 10 games at least. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:44:06 GMT
Reminds me of Cresswell too. But then Pulis likes that sort of player. Looks overpriced to me and pretty ordinary. As I say he won't score or create many.
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Post by henry on Sept 17, 2010 16:44:23 GMT
easily our best centre mid monday night.
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Post by madasasnake on Sept 17, 2010 16:46:12 GMT
I agree that Wilson looks like he might have a lot of class. He certainly seemed to create the space for himself that decent players always seem to find.
I didn't see Walters against Wolves or Spurs as I was still on holiday but I went to Chelsea away and to the Villa game on Monday. I think from what I have seen that you might be being a bit harsh; he certainly has a good work ethic but I also thought that his first touch looked very good and his flick ons were far more accurate at Chelsea than I have seen for a while.
Its probably a little early to judge either of them - but here's hoping that they both do really well for us. I think that they might.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:46:59 GMT
The most skilful we've ever had under Pulis. But I get the feeling he wasn't happy with his performance for some reason. I wonder whether we'll see as much creativity from him in future?
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:48:05 GMT
You might be right Snakey. Let's hope so eh?
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Post by actongatestokie on Sept 17, 2010 16:48:11 GMT
I also think Walters will fade away into the distance - not because of a lack of effort. He is definitely a better Cresswell with a bit more quality. I honestly don't think he is what we need.
Wilson had a good first half with plenty to build on. It's obvious he needs a mobile player alongside him and two wingers to aim at.
It will be interesting to see a combination of Wilson, Gudjohnsen, Pennant, Etherington and Jones/Fuller sometime during the season.
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Post by nickscfc on Sept 17, 2010 16:49:43 GMT
The real main man is undoubtadly Kenwyne Jones. What a player. I think he will prove our best player in years. He really does have everything and it wouldnt suprise me if he bags 15-20 goals this season.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:49:58 GMT
Didn't Pulis make some comment about Wilson needing to learn our ways?
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Post by Lesalanos on Sept 17, 2010 16:51:04 GMT
Thought Wilson looked well off the pace and got csught in posession. Clearly used to playing with everyone on front of him.once Hit a couple of good passes and has potential but not there yet. Walters is looking ok, but I'd play him out on the right. He does look like a better version of cresswell to me which isn't bad. Let's be honest pulis plays his way and will continue to strengthen with players who similar on style but have more ability than their predecesors. Eg kewnye is an upgraded mama |
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Post by actongatestokie on Sept 17, 2010 16:51:59 GMT
Didn't Pulis make some comment about Wilson needing to learn our ways? Dave Kemp. I think he's referring to his stupid chasing down of players out wide, and leaving the middle exposed - just before his substitution on Monday. |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 16:54:36 GMT
Creativity in a Pulis central midfield looks pretty new to me.
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Post by nickscfc on Sept 17, 2010 16:54:49 GMT
Thought Wilson looked well off the pace and got csught in posession. Clearly used to playing with everyone on front of him.once Hit a couple of good passes and has potential but not there yet. Walters is looking ok, but I'd play him out on the right. He does look like a better version of cresswell to me which isn't bad. Let's be honest pulis plays his way and will continue to strengthen with players who similar on style but have more ability than their predecesors. Eg kewnye is an upgraded mama Agree Kenwyne is the perfect upgrade from Mama...just so much better. Actually its hard to compare because the gulf in class is so enormous  Walters (runs around great work ethic)= upgraded Cresswell.....Gudjohnsen (fat and will score many goals ;D)= Upgraded Beattie.........Wilson (likes to pass but with accuracy= upgraded Whelan.... |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2010 16:56:19 GMT
he's not an 'evolutionary' player,he's EXACTLY what TP wants in a central midfielder: in postition,reads the play,intercepts well,steady, good discipline
he needs to work on his tackling a little I would say (after 1 viewing) & given Pompey (due to their circumstances last season) played him a lot as a CB he needs to work a bit on reading the play around him not just in front of him.
I'm 100% certain TP can see his passing qualities - as he's bloomin well said so - however if his passing was only average I'm sure TP would still have shown an interest in the player
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 16:56:21 GMT
I think people writing Walters off as "another Cresswell" on the strength of one mediocre game are incredibly harsh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 16:58:57 GMT
I think people writing Walters off as "another Cresswell" on the strength of one mediocre game are incredibly harsh. So do i rob but people like Hudson have to have a whipping boy  |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 17:00:19 GMT
A player who can PASS in central midfield is what we've been crying out for Lord. Why are you denying that it's an evolutionary development?
And as I've said before there are plenty of others to do the tackling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:01:29 GMT
A player who can PASS in central midfield is what we've been crying out for Lord. Why are you denying that it's an evolutionary development? And as I've said before there are plenty of others to do the tackling. Does this mean that we were a bit premature with the "no passers" thread Hudson? |
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 17:01:48 GMT
Nah. I've got one already with you Doggyboy. ;D
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2010 17:02:14 GMT
re Walters,he has shown himself to be excellent in the air & he seemed to understand what Ric was doing (& also Tuncay in the Salop game) from the off
this in itself is an important quality for any player,we've all seen other players with seemingly oodles of natural talent who are no use to any manager as they dont understand their team mates movement e.t.c.
Goodfellow is perhaps the best Stoke exampe of thisl
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 17:02:58 GMT
Hopefully so but I'm sure Pulis will put a lid on it and turn him into another Amdy Faye.  |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 17, 2010 17:03:38 GMT
I have seen a few Walters games as when Stoke aint playing I sometimes wander down to see Ipswich with a couple of neighbours. Basically his best position by a long chalk is wide right. He holds the ball up well, hassles players, closes down and one heck of a shot on him, He can also head a pigs bladder an all.
What we have in Walters for me is a very very good utility sub who can do a job wide right, or left and as a centre forward or centre mid. I do not however see him as a starting 11 medium term.
Wilson - good vision for a pass and di create time when on the ball. He was a tad weak in the tackle and I think a little over eager as he was chasing chickens (mind you werent they all at the end of the first half) and he does need to hold is centre mid position when defending - good signs from him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:04:40 GMT
Nah. I've got one already with you Doggyboy. ;D Whatever floats your boat Mr Grinsdale |
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Post by actongatestokie on Sept 17, 2010 17:12:14 GMT
I think people writing Walters off as "another Cresswell" on the strength of one mediocre game are incredibly harsh. Absolutely nothing to do with how well he plays. What I see in Walters is a player who works hard, does the simple things, decent in the air and can cover a few positions, "gets up and down", no real outstanding quality about his play but does a good, solid job. Exactly what Cresswell is/was at Championship level. Walters has that bit extra to do the same job at Premier League level. I just don't see where he fits in when Pennant, Etherington, Fuller, Jones and Gudjohnsen are all fully fit and firing to be honest. |
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