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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:16:01 GMT
I think people writing Walters off as "another Cresswell" on the strength of one mediocre game are incredibly harsh. Absolutely nothing to do with how well he plays. What I see in Walters is a player who works hard, does the simple things, decent in the air and can cover a few positions, "gets up and down", no real outstanding quality about his play but does a good, solid job. Exactly what Cresswell is/was at Championship level. Walters has that bit extra to do the same job at Premier League level. I just don't see where he fits in when Pennant, Etherington, Fuller, Jones and Gudjohnsen are all fully fit and firing to be honest. Yeah, he's a squad player, I agree. I don't agree about the lack of quality thing however. While not a world beater, he has more pace, awareness, and a better touch than Cresswell. His mobility and abililty to take the ball down on his chest or take it down first time and hold it up offer far better than either Mama or Cresswell, and I think, even as a squad player, he's going to be a bigger asset than either.
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Post by nickscfc on Sept 17, 2010 17:18:20 GMT
A premier league version of Cresswell would make a very good player...it certainly shouldnt be taken as an insult....11 goals or so and a lot of hard work...id take that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2010 17:18:33 GMT
Would you EVER start him ahead of a fit Fuller, though, Rob?
The fact that TP has it in his playbook to do so concerns me.
I don't know what he's thinking of.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:21:27 GMT
Would you EVER start him ahead of a fit Fuller, though, Rob? The fact that TP has it in his playbook to do so concerns me. I don't know what he's thinking of. Absolutely not Grapey. Fuller would be my first name on the teamsheet every single week.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 17:21:41 GMT
That IS the latest Pulis mystery. A bit like Delap on the right. And Huth at right back. And those who are 'Stoke fit' when they're not and not when they are?
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Post by icelandpotter on Sept 17, 2010 17:22:56 GMT
weird, I thought Wilson looked distinctly average, and Walters so far has been a hell of a shock, absolutely superb.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2010 17:25:10 GMT
I think people writing Walters off as "another Cresswell" on the strength of one mediocre game are incredibly harsh. I compared Walters to Richard Cresswell but was pleased to be able to say "upgraded Richard Cresswell", and meant it as a compliment. Cressie did a great job for us, but wasn't quite able to make the step up to useful Premiership squad player. Walters has surprised me so far by looking capable of doing that very job.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 17:25:36 GMT
That is weird.
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Post by scfc1994 on Sept 17, 2010 17:28:06 GMT
I think Wilson looked really good, and will be a great player for us. Walters should be played on the right wing as we alreeady have 4 great strikers.
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Post by shiny nosehair on Sept 17, 2010 17:32:22 GMT
Wilson for me was looking comfortable for man of the match until Pulis decided he wanted Pennant on the wing and substituted him to shoe horn his beloved Delap into the team, I was screaming at the TV !
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Post by icelandpotter on Sept 17, 2010 17:44:46 GMT
every single fan I've spoken to (and that's quite a few, I live and work locally) about the same subject has said exactly the same, the best compliment Wilson had was "he'll be alright", yet massive praise for Walters. I'm not alone here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 17:44:53 GMT
I think it will take a few games for Wilson to find his feet at Stoke, plenty of times he was looking for a pass forward and was left with no option to pass it sideways as the movement off the ball as not too great. There was a few glimpses that you can see he can pick a pass as proved with a lovley weighted ball through to Kenny.
Walters is a very hard working player, again he will be a worthy squad player as soon as he is up to TP's level of fitness.
Certainly projects in progress.
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Post by GeezyPeezy on Sept 17, 2010 17:59:21 GMT
I didn't see Walters against Wolves or Spurs as I was still on holiday but I went to Chelsea away and to the Villa game on Monday. I think from what I have seen that you might be being a bit harsh; he certainly has a good work ethic but I also thought that his first touch looked very good and his flick ons were far more accurate at Chelsea than I have seen for a while. I didn't see Walters at Wolves either mainly because he was signed after this game
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Post by mayf on Sept 17, 2010 18:47:21 GMT
One defence splitting pass and Wilson is the new Alan Hudson all of a sudden.He had a less than impressive debut in my opinion but give the lad time eh and then decide if he's the answer to HG's prayers. On the flip side Walters has one average game (after looking pretty impressive for the others) and suddenly he's only championship quality That's the oatie for you
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 17, 2010 18:49:33 GMT
One defence splitting pass and Wilson is the new Alan Hudson all of a sudden.He had a less than impressive debut in my opinion but give the lad time eh and then decide if he's the answer to HG's prayers. On the flip side Walters has one average game (after looking pretty impressive for the others) and suddenly he's only championship quality That's the oatie for you Indeed Both are a long long way from being "a class act" and only time will tell if Wilson gets there. Walters will be a solid squad player but nothing more.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2010 18:50:11 GMT
Wilsons passing was good throughout
would love to see Ric running through onto 1 of those passes
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Post by alexk on Sept 17, 2010 19:10:19 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff.
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Post by foster on Sept 17, 2010 19:19:13 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff. Now thats's what i call patience!! Incidentally, all the new signings (except EG who hasn't played yet) look very promising to me. They're definately an improvement on the squad.
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Post by mayf on Sept 17, 2010 19:23:44 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff. NOT LOOKED REMOTELY LIKE SCORING !!!!!! so the header that went over the line against Spurs was not remotely likely scoring ?
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Post by johnnydenz on Sept 17, 2010 19:38:23 GMT
i think walters has played well since he came and agree wilson really is going to make a good creative midfielder well pleased with both
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 17, 2010 19:55:23 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2010 19:57:22 GMT
Walters has had one very good game.......but so did John Tudor His performance v.Aston Villa was worrying........echoes of Cresswell...going nowhere fast kind of display...let's hope it was a one-off Wilson's pass to KJ was the best pass by a Stoke player in the last 5 years
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Post by Irish Stokie on Sept 17, 2010 20:11:14 GMT
Far too early to judge either of them and i taught that Wilson, overall, was just average. He picked out a superb pass but faded quite badly and of the two Walters has been the more impressive. Walters is a squad player, and is a very good squad player while Wilson could be a very good player but as i said its far too early to assess him and calling him a class act at this stage is crazy
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Post by GeezyPeezy on Sept 17, 2010 20:11:24 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff. That gif makes me chuckle so hard every time i see it, it just doesn't get old! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 20:45:16 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff. Not looked remotely like scoring apart from the game where he scored and it was wrongly ruled out and then the one where he scored it and it was allowed? He's played mostly in the Mama role so far and added a touch of mobility and ability on the ball that two of the last three incumbents of that role couldn't get anywhere near.
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Post by stonestokie! on Sept 17, 2010 20:48:55 GMT
None of them are black, what the fuck's going on.
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Post by angescfc on Sept 17, 2010 20:53:56 GMT
If it was up to me Walters and Wilson would start tomorrow because I think both could have been MOTM on Monday and both will be top class for us. Wilson got good tackles in, saw passes the rest of the team couldn't see and considering it was his first game for us fitted in brilliantly! Walters was the only player who the ball stuck up with up front who was everywhere all through the match and looked class the whole game. I think Fuller and Whelan have a serious reason to be worried!
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Post by alexk on Sept 17, 2010 20:59:57 GMT
Walters is shit. I thought he was going to be and i've seen nothing to change my mind. He's not looked remotely like scoring in the league and I don't recall him creating any chances either. All while Fuller sits on the bench and Tuncay is sat at home. Remarkable stuff. Not looked remotely like scoring apart from the game where he scored and it was wrongly ruled out and then the one where he scored it and it was allowed? He's played mostly in the Mama role so far and added a touch of mobility and ability on the ball that two of the last three incumbents of that role couldn't get anywhere near. Wasn't Jones signed for the ludicrously monikered 'Mama role'? Wasn't Walters signed as cover for the wide positions? There is abosolutely zero pace up front with him and Jones in the side and the team have performed poorly with him upfront. We were largely clueless on Monday and heading for yet another defeat until Fuller came on. I'd go as far as to say that if we play the whole season with Walters and Jones up front we'll be down by Easter.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 21:30:07 GMT
Walters is class. Steerage class.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 21:34:01 GMT
Not looked remotely like scoring apart from the game where he scored and it was wrongly ruled out and then the one where he scored it and it was allowed? He's played mostly in the Mama role so far and added a touch of mobility and ability on the ball that two of the last three incumbents of that role couldn't get anywhere near. Wasn't Jones signed for the ludicrously monikered 'Mama role'? Wasn't Walters signed as cover for the wide positions? There is abosolutely zero pace up front with him and Jones in the side and the team have performed poorly with him upfront. We were largely clueless on Monday and heading for yet another defeat until Fuller came on. I'd go as far as to say that if we play the whole season with Walters and Jones up front we'll be down by Easter. I'm not advocating starting Walters up front, more contesting your ludicrous assumption that he's "shit". He was poor on Monday but has been good in the other games. You seem to be suggesting Jones has no pace as well, which suggests you haven't seen much of him either.
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