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Post by GoBoks on Sept 17, 2010 13:32:46 GMT
To critical be of TP on this one issue isn't calling for his head it means that we believe the man is falible and makes mistakes along with good decisions. I never liked TP's football in his first spell. But i would never been stupid enough to call for him to go at any point soon. However this doesn't mean that on individual issue I wont say he has not made mistakes and glaring errors. I think some people make wild unsubstantiated claims so that TP is seen to do no wrong. Life is not like that. TP does many good things for Stoke city. TP doesn't do so well in other areas. Howvere TP does has done alot more good for Stoke City thnan any other manager in recent years. But i think thinks he has made a mess pf things with Tuncay HudsonGod, Why would we not have faith in the manager who has brought us from the brink of relegation to the third tier to a successful 1st tier team? Is one player more important than the team? Is it better to have blind faith in one player who (for whatever reason) has not contributed much and in consequence have animosity to the manager who got us here? I think you would have been one of those who were "waiting for waddo to resign" and calling for his head. TCM, you're right. Life is not like that. We all make mistakes every day. If we were all to be judged by our mistakes, we would all be abject failures. The trick is to look at the big picture. What is the objective of a club in hiring a manager? I would put forward concepts like; build a team of players; develop successful tactics; achieve xyz position/cup progress; purchase/sell within player budget; etc. I guess the frustrating thing is that while Tony Pulis is clearly the most successful manager since Waddo and has succeeded overall in every objective the club has set for him, people point to isolated, tiny (in the grand scheme of things), inconsequential things and berate the bloke about it instead of giving praise where praise is due. It is also the same old people that spout the same old rhetoric on each new tiny mistake that is made. I am sure that an analysis of negative to positive posts from these posters would reveal a minuscule percentage of posts would be praising TP for the things he gets right and an avalanche of posts deriding TP about tiny mistakes even if they were made years ago.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 17, 2010 13:42:23 GMT
TCM, you're right. Life is not like that. We all make mistakes every day. If we were all to be judged by our mistakes, we would all be abject failures. The trick is to look at the big picture. What is the objective of a club in hiring a manager? I would put forward concepts like; build a team of players; develop successful tactics; achieve xyz position/cup progress; purchase/sell within player budget; etc. I guess the frustrating thing is that while Tony Pulis is clearly the most successful manager since Waddo and has succeeded overall in every objective the club has set for him, people point to isolated, tiny (in the grand scheme of things), inconsequential things and berate the bloke about it instead of giving praise where praise is due. It is also the same old people that spout the same old rhetoric on each new tiny mistake that is made. I am sure that an analysis of negative to positive posts from these posters would reveal a minuscule percentage of posts would be praising TP for the things he gets right and an avalanche of posts deriding TP about tiny mistakes even if they were made years ago. I just wish people could enjoy themselves a bit more and stop getting annoyed by Pulis being Pulis (which is what Coates pays him to be). It's such a waste of energy. Tuncay is just collateral damage in the improvement of Stoke City. It's not heartbreaking. It's a bit odd. Until you stop thinking about it.
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Post by gibby1409 on Sept 17, 2010 14:36:28 GMT
Bit lightweight to be honest guys! We are a physical team who play a physical game, and Tunch isn't upto it, and is just as lightweight as when he came! Great Ability, and could fit in, but I think it will be as a bit part player
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 17, 2010 16:13:15 GMT
Colonel Mustard - Most succinct reponse to the endless debate. "It's just collateral damage in the improvement of Stoke City." Excellent - I am going to use this one from now on! Of course I'll pay you a tenth of a penny each time I use it Colonel!
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Post by apb1 on Sept 17, 2010 16:17:48 GMT
Well that approach will make for an interesting message board:
"Stoke are great aren't they?"
"Yes, well done TP."
er that's it. People are allowed to have opinions - it doesn't mean they hate TP or want him out.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 17, 2010 16:29:45 GMT
Well that approach will make for an interesting message board: "Stoke are great aren't they?" "Yes, well done TP." er that's it. People are allowed to have opinions - it doesn't mean they hate TP or want him out. APB, it's just collateral damage in the improvement of the Oatcake Messageboard.
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Post by apb1 on Sept 17, 2010 16:40:38 GMT
Well that approach will make for an interesting message board: "Stoke are great aren't they?" "Yes, well done TP." er that's it. People are allowed to have opinions - it doesn't mean they hate TP or want him out. APB, it's just collateral damage in the improvement of the Oatcake Messageboard. ;D
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 17, 2010 18:56:45 GMT
Don't seem to remember a leaky defence being Mboro's problem though. As for Wilson I can't comment on his ability yet. What about Stewert Downing...he got relegated so hes wank right? Why did we even consider buying Wilson he got relegated he MUST be total shit. Also of course we must not forget Adam Johnson got relegated. But of course hes total shite. Tuncay is a great player... he just needs games. Apologies for the late response. My point isn't that Tuncay must be crap because he got relegated, it's that he had a run of games at Middlesbrough and didn't exactly set the world alight. I think Tuncay is a decent squad player but he's burnt his bridges at Stoke. He currently is nowhere near good enough to start for us, in my opinion, and that's all it is an opinion. So I'd appreciate it if you don't go making snap judgements like assuming that I don't rate any relegated player. Cheers. EDIT - 1 spelling mistake contradicted the whole post LOL
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Post by french toast on Sept 17, 2010 18:59:22 GMT
tuncay has never been consistant for any team hes played for.
it seems our fans are deluded
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Post by jay1610 on Sept 17, 2010 19:17:55 GMT
Fair enough, but where's your evidence. Please do not say his hat-trick in the Champions League 5 years ago. My argument is that he's not the best option in the current system that we play. Surely you can't argue with that McMurphy?
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Sept 17, 2010 19:34:12 GMT
Name a stoke forward that has been consistant?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 20:48:58 GMT
Name a stoke forward that has been consistant? Fuller has been fairly consistent I'd have said, and we've consistently looked all the poorer for his absence.
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Post by stonestokie! on Sept 17, 2010 20:50:56 GMT
1. His hair. 2. His headband. 3. His boots.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Sept 17, 2010 20:52:27 GMT
Name a stoke forward that has been consistant? Fuller has been fairly consistent I'd have said, and we've consistently looked all the poorer for his absence. Id disagree with you, he looks complacent half the time and can be very idle both on and off the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 20:56:08 GMT
Fuller has been fairly consistent I'd have said, and we've consistently looked all the poorer for his absence. Id disagree with you, he looks complacent half the time and can be very idle both on and off the pitch I don't buy that. Now and again he doesn't look interested and maybe he's not the quickest getting back but for the most part he's still giving his all and scaring the shit out of defences in the 93rd minute. Again, watching the games, we miss him massively when he doesn't play, and have done every season he's been here.
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 17, 2010 20:59:13 GMT
Fair enough, but where's your evidence. Please do not say his hat-trick in the Champions League 5 years ago. My argument is that he's not the best option in the current system that we play. Surely you can't argue with that McMurphy? As he was agreeing with you i don't think he wants to.
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Post by stonestokie! on Sept 17, 2010 21:03:40 GMT
He did cause 'that' mental at Wigan too...
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Post by french toast on Sept 18, 2010 8:03:35 GMT
Fair enough, but where's your evidence. Please do not say his hat-trick in the Champions League 5 years ago. My argument is that he's not the best option in the current system that we play. Surely you can't argue with that McMurphy? what are you on about? like beardy has said, i was agreeing with you. i dont understand the love in.
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