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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 16, 2010 18:01:57 GMT
The mystery is why we spent £5M on a player who was quite clearly totally unsuited to any of the roles in our rigid system of play. Because he needed to get out of the Championship and TP felt that he would adapt his game. Would it be fair to say that TP made an error of judgement on this one then?
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2010 18:03:25 GMT
Because he needed to get out of the Championship and TP felt that he would adapt his game. Would it be fair to say that TP made an error of judgement on this one then? More so Tuncay. It was no secret how we play. He must have made promises to TP that he would adapt if we would rescue him from his relegation Hell.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 16, 2010 18:06:33 GMT
Tuncay hasn't spent £5M and 40 grand a week on his misjudgement though.
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2010 18:08:52 GMT
Tuncay hasn't spent £5M and 40 grand a week on his misjudgement though. No, Tuncay's failure to meet the demands of our team shape has cost Uncle Peter.
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Sept 16, 2010 18:22:44 GMT
Tuncay hasn't spent £5M and 40 grand a week on his misjudgement though. No, Tuncay's failure to meet the demands of our team shape has cost Uncle Peter. No, Pulis knew what player he was buying, he doesn't play creative centre mid's, he wanted to play him upfront to chase the useless fick-ons by Mama. He tried to turn Tuncay into a player that he isn't
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 16, 2010 18:57:17 GMT
A thoroughly cynical post. How do you know he's being cynical? Seems like a very passionate fella to me. The question should really be: 'What's he been ALLOWED to do for this football club?'
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Post by peschisolido on Sept 16, 2010 19:01:02 GMT
scored more than mama, like iv said before , coates signed him , tp signed huth
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Sept 16, 2010 19:02:42 GMT
scored more than mama, like iv said before , coates signed him , tp signed huth Not strictly correct, TP wanted him but Coates did the deal due to the money involved
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2010 21:59:22 GMT
More so Tuncay. It was no secret how we play. He must have made promises to TP that he would adapt if we would rescue him from his relegation Hell. I suppose Eidur Gudjohnsen's made similar promises has he?
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2010 22:03:13 GMT
More so Tuncay. It was no secret how we play. He must have made promises to TP that he would adapt if we would rescue him from his relegation Hell. I suppose Eidur Gudjohnsen's made similar promises has he? Is he fit?? When will he be fit?? Did you see the size of him on Monday?? If he fails to make the effort to get fit, whose fault is it? EG and his agent must have given TP assurances about fitness before he signed as Stoke were just helping him out of his French Hell. In the case of Tuncay, EG and JP, Stoke were doing a very expensive favour for people desperate to get back to the Prem.
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2010 22:08:01 GMT
I'm not talking about his fitness.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Sept 16, 2010 22:09:23 GMT
Maybe we could only sign Huth if we also signed Tuncay as well.
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2010 22:21:58 GMT
I'm not talking about his fitness. If he plays for us like he did for Bolton, then he will fit perfectly.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 16, 2010 22:28:41 GMT
Oh come on! Who the heck cares whose fault it is. TP is the manager. He gets a massive bonus if we avoid relegation. (something like 40 times the annual salary of the average Stokie). Does anyone here truly believe that TP would put that kind of money at risk by not playing a super star if he really had one? As I said on an earlier post, TP has better qualifications and experience to do the job than any of us. He has better access to training results and background information than any of us. He has a better financial incentive to see us succeed than any of us.
As far as I am concerned, it is far better to show support for the parts of the Stoke organization that are really important than one disgruntled player that has cost us a small fortune but never shown he is worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 22:41:32 GMT
Maybe we could only sign Huth if we also signed Tuncay as well. So you're saying we effectively paid £11m for Huth? Doubt it very much.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Sept 16, 2010 22:56:01 GMT
Maybe we could only sign Huth if we also signed Tuncay as well. So you're saying we effectively paid £11m for Huth? Doubt it very much. It wouldn't be stupid to think that we could get back the money we paid for Tuncay. Even when we bought him I was a little confused at how Tone would fit him in.
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Post by interestedobserver on Sept 16, 2010 23:05:43 GMT
I was sort of a Tuncay fan even before he arrived at Stoke. I think he's a quality player and I don't really understand his detractors saying he's never done anything for the club. Last year he scored 12% of our league goals while receiving only about 32% of our total match time. By comparison, Ric scored 9% of our goals in about 64% of our total match time. So, IMO he has produced when given the opportunity.
And as for him running down the tunnel -- well I don't think there is much in that. If he gets frustrated with himself and wants to leave the field who gives a damn. The guys out on the field are professionals and it really shouldn't matter to them if a guy who has been subbed remains on the bench.
But all that said, I think it will be best for both club and player when he is sold in January. We brought in good players in this last window who appear to be better fits for TP. And I think there is somebody out there who will pay for Tuncay. It doesn't make sense to have 5M pounds and whatever his wage bill is rotting as fifth choice. Especially when there are other positions that require solidifying.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2010 23:24:04 GMT
God, these posts are irritating
Very sad to see fans so desperate to see one of their own players fail....Bizarre imho
When he has been given chance he has made some useful contributions, more than some players who have been regularly picked. But it is impossible for a player to be consistent when he is not consistently played.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 17, 2010 2:10:32 GMT
At Middlesborough I always thought he was a player with great touch but too inconsistent to really become a top class dogs bollox player. I still feel that about him BUT, I have to make the point, IMHO, he hasn't been given the best possible chance to make a lasting impression with us.
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Post by g0b0ks on Sept 17, 2010 10:30:59 GMT
God, these posts are irritating Very sad to see fans so desperate to see one of their own players fail....Bizarre imho Spit, As far as I can see, no one WANTS Tuncay to fail. We are simply debating the reasons he has failed so far. Even sadder & more irritating are the fans that either blame Tony Pulis for every players failure to adapt or indeed long to see him fail when clearly he has not.
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Post by stokelad84 on Sept 17, 2010 10:32:25 GMT
Thats correct goboks
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Sept 17, 2010 10:35:40 GMT
To be fair to Tuncay, he hasn't really ever had a decent run in the side has he? I think I'd be frustrated as well if I was him. Not saying he deserves to be in the starting 11 but it wouldn't hurt to give him a consistent run.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Sept 17, 2010 10:42:31 GMT
Blind support for the messiah who can do no wrong and in consequence blind antipathy towards one of our players for no good reason. Pathetic and very sad indeed.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 17, 2010 11:24:16 GMT
No, Tuncay's failure to meet the demands of our team shape has cost Uncle Peter. No, Pulis knew what player he was buying, he doesn't play creative centre mid's, he wanted to play him upfront to chase the useless fick-ons by Mama. He tried to turn Tuncay into a player that he isn'tGareth Southgate had him chasing slightly less useless flick-ons from marlon king the previous season
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Post by Old School Stokie on Sept 17, 2010 11:48:47 GMT
Are you sure the CULT is the correct description???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 12:11:37 GMT
God, these posts are irritating Very sad to see fans so desperate to see one of their own players fail....Bizarre imho When he has been given chance he has made some useful contributions, more than some players who have been regularly picked. But it is impossible for a player to be consistent when he is not consistently played. Sorry but that's not what the majority of the thread is about. It's a discussion, where both sides of the argument are represented. It's just as false to say that Tuncay has consistently performed in a Stoke shirt as it is to say that Pulis never gets anything wrong. The "Fuller only scored x goals last season" thing is a misnomer if you look at our overall play without him, which is infinitely more toothless. Tuncay, when he has started in place of Fuller, has rarely had the same impact apart from the Fulham and Villa games.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 17, 2010 12:19:02 GMT
Everyone. Please stop using the word infinitely.
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Post by g0b0ks on Sept 17, 2010 12:25:50 GMT
Blind support for the messiah who can do no wrong and in consequence blind antipathy towards one of our players for no good reason. Pathetic and very sad indeed. HudsonGod, Why would we not have faith in the manager who has brought us from the brink of relegation to the third tier to a successful 1st tier team? Is one player more important than the team? Is it better to have blind faith in one player who (for whatever reason) has not contributed much and in consequence have animosity to the manager who got us here? I think you would have been one of those who were "waiting for waddo to resign" and calling for his head.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Sept 17, 2010 12:42:06 GMT
To critical be of TP on this one issue isn't calling for his head it means that we believe the man is falible and makes mistakes along with good decisions. I never liked TP's football in his first spell. But i would never been stupid enough to call for him to go at any point soon. However this doesn't mean that on individual issue I wont say he has not made mistakes and glaring errors. I think some people make wild unsubstantiated claims so that TP is seen to do no wrong. Life is not like that. TP does many good things for Stoke city. TP doesn't do so well in other areas. Howvere TP does has done alot more good for Stoke City thnan any other manager in recent years. But i think thinks he has made a mess pf things with Tuncay Blind support for the messiah who can do no wrong and in consequence blind antipathy towards one of our players for no good reason. Pathetic and very sad indeed. HudsonGod, Why would we not have faith in the manager who has brought us from the brink of relegation to the third tier to a successful 1st tier team? Is one player more important than the team? Is it better to have blind faith in one player who (for whatever reason) has not contributed much and in consequence have animosity to the manager who got us here? I think you would have been one of those who were "waiting for waddo to resign" and calling for his head.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 17, 2010 12:52:55 GMT
Everyone. Please stop using the word infinitely. The universe is, in fact, really, really big. Bigger even than Tuncay's opinion of himself, bigger even than Stokelad84's opinion of Pulis. I mean REALLY big. Oh I give up.
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