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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 10, 2010 7:35:20 GMT
Delap has been a good servant to our cause since signed and in many ways epitomises our direct style of play
However, most fans have realised that he can no longer play for 90 minutes at this level and should be replaced
We now have the players to replace Delap but it will be a massive wrench for Pulis to leave him out and change the way that we play
Do you think that Delap should start on Monday?
Do you think that Delap will start on Monday?
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 10, 2010 8:15:12 GMT
Yes I do. He's a more intelligent player than Whitehead, more consistent than Whelan and he makes a damn good partner for whoever plays alongside him. It's no coincidence that both Whelan and Whitehead's best performances in the middle have come alongside Delap. It's worth trying him out with Wilson, definitely.
Being hung out to dry on the right wing does not suddenly make you 'past it' in your natural position.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 8:16:36 GMT
I don’t think he’ll start.
Whitehead and Wilson for my money.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 10, 2010 8:24:38 GMT
I don’t think he’ll start. Whitehead and Wilson for my money. I'd guess at that, mostly because of the amount of money we've spent on Whitehead. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 8:27:11 GMT
If he goes with Delap I’ll be happy enough. He’s never let us down and will do what he always does. He’s Mr Consistent and the threat from his throws is an extra bonus.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2010 8:36:40 GMT
Yeah I want to see Whitehead and Wilson but I don't buy this 'he's finished' lark. He's been made to look a bit silly by Pulis stuck wide right but still has much to offer in the middle and frankly I'd prefer him there any day of the week over Whelan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 8:41:25 GMT
I don't think there's a great deal between Delap and Whitehead. In fact, I have a slight preference for Rory, even at 34. Both have got a great engine and offer nothing going forward, but Delap's much cleverer at sniffing out danger and being in the right place at the right time.
Chuck in the throw, and I think he has the clear edge.
But I don't think he'll go that way.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Sept 10, 2010 8:45:21 GMT
Hope he doesn't play delap, he clearly isn't good enough anymore, and his throws are just embarising now, teams know how to handle the throws and leaving him in the squad just for that is pathetic.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 8:47:43 GMT
Hope he doesn't play delap, he clearly isn't good enough anymore, and his throws are just embarising now, teams know how to handle the throws and leaving him in the squad just for that is pathetic. Didn't we score more goals last season than in season one, from the throw? When you're as low-scoring as us, every goal counts. And I'd love to know what it is that Whitehead does that Delap doesn't, when he's played in his proper position, that is, and not hung out to dry on the right. Playing him on the right was as barmy as playing Fuller at left-back, and just as unfair on him. And, unsurprisingly, he was awful there and is now suffering an unfair backlash |
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Post by scfcloyalist on Sept 10, 2010 8:49:42 GMT
Thing is though, yes he might work, but he clearly isn't quick enough to play centre mid, we just get teared apart in midfield whenever delap plays.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 10, 2010 8:52:26 GMT
I saw Delap at Chelsea and he was ok as he had plenty of cover nearby - in fact he had the chance to score but didn't shoot However for me his legs have gone - against Spurs he was struggling to keep up with the pace of the game. Although not his man - he watched as Bale smacked in the second goal - a younger player might have got to Bale But I suspect he will play  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2010 8:52:43 GMT
, we just get teared apart in midfield whenever delap plays. That's just not true. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 8:53:47 GMT
Taking his shocking displays on the right out of the equation, I still haven't seen him have more than a couple of bad games in the last 2-3 seasons in central midfield.
People seem keener to have a go at him for every litle mistake, based on his dire performances on the wing.
He's clearly well into the autumn of his career, and this could definitely be his last season, but I'm still not convinced he isn't one of our 2 best CMs
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Post by stokelad84 on Sept 10, 2010 8:54:04 GMT
Paul Scholes isn't quick enough, it doesn't stop him from doing a good job there!
Delap is decievingly quick, this 'his legs have gone' is a load of bollox to me. In center mid he is still a very good player
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Post by scfcloyalist on Sept 10, 2010 8:56:03 GMT
Paul Scholes isn't quick enough, it doesn't stop him from doing a good job there! Delap is decievingly quick, this 'his legs have gone' is a load of bollox to me. In center mid he is still a very good player Take it you'd play Salif and delap centre mid then? Hahaha. Take it you haven't seen delap play the past season. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 8:57:35 GMT
Diao has been awful for 3 seasons.
Delap has been consistently excellent in the middle
That's the difference.
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Post by markscfc72 on Sept 10, 2010 9:04:07 GMT
FullerMagic
I agree Wilson and Rory in middle for me
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 9:05:59 GMT
He’s not slow our Rory.
He’d be even quicker if he wasn’t hindered by those things on the side of his head.
No good for aerodynamics at all.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Sept 10, 2010 9:07:01 GMT
Delap for me has been a big part of stoke but for me id have to play him as a sub.We are now bringing in players with the ability to do alot more than rely on throws.Dont get me wrong he is a steady player but others are miles infont of him for me.
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Post by stan on Sept 10, 2010 9:09:04 GMT
Where was Rory for Bale's goal? That had got nothing to do with his ablility as a right "winger". Obviously he's a Stoke legend and an intelligent player, but I think his time's running out, if it isn't already up. We simply can't afford the sort of clumsy challenges he makes in dangerous areas now -sadly, that's a Whitehead failing, too.
I'd just about go with Whitehead for his "box-to-box" ability (despite his lack of quality in the final third).
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Post by scfcloyalist on Sept 10, 2010 9:11:18 GMT
Where was Rory for Bale's goal? That had got nothing to do with his ablility as a right "winger". Obviously he's a Stoke legend and an intelligent player, but I think his time's running out, if it isn't already up. We simply can't afford the sort of clumsy challenges he makes in dangerous areas now -sadly, that's a Whitehead failing, too. I'd just about go with Whitehead for his "box-to-box" ability (despite his lack of quality in the final third). couldn't agree more mate, or i would try tuncay centre mid with Wilson and eidur just behind kenwyne. The thought of that just sends shivvers down my spine |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 10, 2010 9:17:14 GMT
It just goes to show that we're still a 'quality' midfielder short as Whitehead, Whelan and Delap aren't quite good enough. Whether we resolve that dilemma in January and let one or two of them go (whilst buying someone better) remains to be seen. My guess is that Whelan is the most likely to be let go of and Delap will just see his days out with us.
As for who will start with (hopefully) Wilson? Delap is my guess........
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 10, 2010 9:22:54 GMT
To be honest I don't really mind if it's a choice between
Wilson and Deano
or Wilson and Rory
as both Deano and Rory give us great cover in the middle of the park and at the back.
Deano is probably more mobile but Rory reads the game better and then of course there's the throw.
It's a tough call but as Grapey says, given the fee for Deano TP may go with him.
As long as our midfield doesn't include a trio of Deano, Rory and Whelan things have definitely improved!
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 10, 2010 9:26:27 GMT
Thing is though, yes he might work, but he clearly isn't quick enough to play centre mid, we just get teared apart in midfield whenever delap plays. since when has being quick been a major part of any central midfielders game ??? |
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 10, 2010 9:29:10 GMT
Diao has been awful for 3 seasons. Delap has been consistently excellent in the middle That's the difference. diao hasnt been awful has he, hes put some great match winning performances in when played |
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Post by PONTAFCE on Sept 10, 2010 9:30:54 GMT
Diao has been awful for 3 seasons. Delap has been consistently excellent in the middle That's the difference. diao hasnt been awful has he, hes put some great match winning performances in when played Ill agree with that diao did put in some immense performances for us in crutial games when he played. |
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Sept 10, 2010 9:35:40 GMT
Delap or Whitehead, i'm not too fussed which of them is getting the start, just don't let it be Whelan for god's sake. Delap is still a very good player, his footballing brain is second to none and is one of the best players at reading the game, he's been stuck out on the right for several games which has made me feel increasingly sorry for Rory as he gets hung out to dry every single time and he's just not quick enough to be playing on the right.
Diao hasn't been awful though, a bit like Whlean in some respects, when he plays well he's awesome but when he has a poor game, he's just shite. Delap is a consistent performer for Stoke City and so is Whitehead.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 10, 2010 9:37:07 GMT
Of course having pace counts in the middle - the Spurs midfielders were having a fag while they waited for Delap to catch up
Sadly he is too slow and is costing us in both boxes - he is clumsy because his tackles are late - he can see the danger but can't respond
Time to go to the bench to come on late if needed
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Post by mumph on Sept 10, 2010 9:40:55 GMT
I can't see any harm in him being on the bench or not playing for the full 90 - as long as he's not on the wing he's fine. His throws are still a weapon but recently they seem to be too 'loopy' not direct and flat enough. Dunno why.
We need a squad of good players not just 11 - I don't understand why now when we have more than 11 who can play why it has to be a big debate who actually starts - it'll be horses for courses hopefully soon; hopefully.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2010 9:56:53 GMT
Of course having pace counts in the middle - the Spurs midfielders were having a fag while they waited for Delap to catch up Sadly he is too slow and is costing us in both boxes - he is clumsy because his tackles are late - he can see the danger but can't respond Time to go to the bench to come on late if needed I pretty much disagree with all of that |
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