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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 10, 2010 9:57:20 GMT
If Delap starts in CM then we've got nothing to worry about, to many people seem to forget that's his position and it's not his fault he can't play RW when he's asked to, that's the managers fault. I think TP will go with Walters Delap Whitehead Etherington in midfield
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 10:05:16 GMT
I'd play Delap in the middle ahead of Whelan and Whitehead any day of the week.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 10, 2010 10:25:26 GMT
Should he have been marking Bale? He was Huth's man, surely? Judging by Huth's positioning, I'd guess he was expecting Bale to have to chest that cross down into his path rather than being able to hit it first time.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 10, 2010 10:25:41 GMT
Whelan will be lucky to play 10 games this season imo, he was the 1st that needed to be dropped
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 10:25:55 GMT
Should he have been marking Bale? He was Huth's man, surely? Judging by Huth's positioning, I'd guess he was expecting Bale to have to chest that cross down into his path rather than being able to hit it first time. He was Collins' man.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 10, 2010 10:34:19 GMT
Should he have been marking Bale? He was Huth's man, surely? Judging by Huth's positioning, I'd guess he was expecting Bale to have to chest that cross down into his path rather than being able to hit it first time. He was Collins' man. no surprise there then
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Sept 10, 2010 11:02:02 GMT
Thing is though, yes he might work, but he clearly isn't quick enough to play centre mid, we just get teared apart in midfield whenever delap plays. What games have you been watching? Delap and Whitehead were both very good at breaking down play last season, they're the reason we leak so few goals, especially at home. As for the throws being embarrassing, were you saying that when we dumped Arsenal and Man Citeh out of the cup?
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Post by stan on Sept 10, 2010 11:08:43 GMT
Should he have been marking Bale? He was Huth's man, surely? Judging by Huth's positioning, I'd guess he was expecting Bale to have to chest that cross down into his path rather than being able to hit it first time. Whilst I attach blame to Huth -he worries me at full-back- surely Delap was playing right side to track back on Bale and provide defensive cover. Huth needed help and, with his intelligent reading of the game, Rory should have given it. It's all very well saying how Rory spots danger and all the rest of it, but he let Bale run amok when he was playing on his side. There's no disgrace in that, of course. I like Rory as a player; he's been a wonderful servant to the club. But i just don't see him as this "safe pair of hands" in central midfield anymore.
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Post by nickscfc on Sept 10, 2010 11:11:28 GMT
Delap HAS to start in my view...for the Rory special if nothing else. Kenwyne Jones is incredible in the air and actually won most of them (defending) when we played Sunderland last season. This is in my view quite possibly one of the biggest games since promotion and we cannot afford to mess around trying too many new things. The throw will cause pressure we KNOW this...and with Jones in the box it would seem silly not to utilise this weapon (lets face it he may only have another season left in him).
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 10, 2010 11:14:40 GMT
Should he have been marking Bale? He was Huth's man, surely? Judging by Huth's positioning, I'd guess he was expecting Bale to have to chest that cross down into his path rather than being able to hit it first time. Whilst I attach blame to Huth -he worries me at full-back- surely Delap was playing right side to track back on Bale and provide defensive cover. Huth needed help and, with his intelligent reading of the game, Rory should have given it. It's all very well saying how Rory spots danger and all the rest of it, but he let Bale run amok when he was playing on his side. There's no disgrace in that, of course. I like Rory as a player; he's been a wonderful servant to the club. But i just don't see him as this "safe pair of hands" in central midfield anymore. Central midfield is the only place we should even contemplate using him. I think a lot of people's judgements have been clouded by TP's insistence on playing Rory out wide. He rarely lets us down when played in the middle so I wouldn't have a problem seeing him turn out in that position. Obviously if after a few games he was struggling then clearly perhaps then his role would come into doubt.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 12:11:42 GMT
I'd have to be pretty sure that we'd drained every last drop out of the throw - and that Whitehead was now a significantly better player than Delap - to dispense with Rory at this stage.
And I'm not sure either is true.
I'd at least give Delap the next month to prove he's still up to it alongside Wilson.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2010 12:21:12 GMT
I think Whitehead has had an OK start to the season. Rightly or wrongly, I think he's going to be the first midfielder on the sheet most weeks. That leaves one of three to partner him and it seems to me that Wilson will be in the box seat. That leaves Rory as a bit part player and (sadly) as main cover for wide right.
Its just possible that his Stoke career could fizzle out in a completely undeserved fashion.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2010 12:21:39 GMT
I'd certainly start Rory in the middle on Monday with Deano playing at right back and Huth in the middle of defence ... it's a complete no brainer for me. I've said elsewhere, that it'd be pretty ironic, if, after reducing the width of our pitch to the minimum width allowable, in order to stifle visitors who play with two out and out wingers and also to give Rory an advantage when he chucks the ball, we now actually start going with two out and out wingers ourselves at the expense of Rory even playing.
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Post by jbstokie on Sept 10, 2010 12:39:57 GMT
Wilson and Rory for me, spot on MD.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 10, 2010 12:52:57 GMT
I dont think either of the 3 deadline signings will start.
He will play Rory and Deano in the middle with Ethers and Walters on the flanks with Jones and Fuller up top.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 10, 2010 12:54:26 GMT
I dont think either of the 3 deadline signings will start. He will play Rory and Deano in the middle with Ethers and Walters on the flanks with Jones and Fuller up top. i can live with that tbh
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Post by fromafar07 on Sept 10, 2010 13:43:14 GMT
Delap has been a good servant to our cause since signed and in many ways epitomises our direct style of play However, most fans have realised that he can no longer play for 90 minutes at this level and should be replaced We now have the players to replace Delap but it will be a massive wrench for Pulis to leave him out and change the way that we play Do you think that Delap should start on Monday? Do you think that Delap will start on Monday? Delap and Wilson in the Middle Etherington and Walters/Pennant on the wings
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2010 17:47:56 GMT
Agree with that, faf.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Sept 10, 2010 18:14:08 GMT
Can't recall having seen Wilson play, so I can't comment on him.
But a straight choice between Whitehead and Delap? I'll go for Rory. The same defensive qualities as Whitehead plus the throws.
Whitehead has a job to do solving our problems at rightback.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Sept 10, 2010 20:45:02 GMT
I certainly think he can fit into our team. With the additions, we are not going to be under the cosh half as much. When opponents see the likes of Ethers, Gudjohnsson, Pennant and Jones in the team, they will not leave themselves open. Plus, Wilson will also provide good cover and has younger legs. I also think that his throw is still a weapon, particularly with KJ now in the equation and other, dangerous players to occupy defenders so the big boys can cause havoc.
SGT
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Post by banburypotter on Sept 10, 2010 21:15:25 GMT
hope not
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Post by thissey84 on Sept 10, 2010 21:19:01 GMT
Whitehead impressed me at right back surely give this a go?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 21:34:28 GMT
there maybe a question mark over delap for some people, but not pulis (or me yet)
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Post by march4 on Sept 10, 2010 22:05:12 GMT
Anyone who thinks Rory shouldn't play the full 90 mins on Monday is a lunatic.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 10, 2010 22:08:46 GMT
Duh! What's my name - where am I?
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Post by Beardy200 on Sept 10, 2010 23:25:40 GMT
Anyone who thinks Rory shouldn't play the full 90 mins on Monday is a lunatic. That'll include TP then as i'll be amazed if he plays the full 90. I'd start him alongside Wilson with Deano at right back myself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2010 23:46:10 GMT
Anyone who thinks Rory shouldn't play the full 90 mins on Monday is a lunatic. That'll include TP then as i'll be amazed if he plays the full 90. I'd start him alongside Wilson with Deano at right back myself. That is the blatantly obvious thing to do, so it won't happen.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2010 15:43:59 GMT
The more I think about it, the more I think he won't leave Delap out - even if it is largely down to the throw.
He was even querying Wilson's fitness levels in his pre-game interview.
In need of a win, night game atmosphere, Ken Jones to aim for against a Villa team already in fear of it - I just can't see him voluntarily going in without the Delap throw.
Could well be Wilson on the bench?
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Post by march4 on Sept 12, 2010 15:45:31 GMT
What is the point of signing players who are good in the air, to abandon our most potent aerial weapon?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 12, 2010 21:45:15 GMT
Can't believe so many folk want Delap to start?! I thought we all wanted to change the system?
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