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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 17:56:03 GMT
So which one of those is Eidur going to be March? It's up to him to adapt or get lost. Same choice Tuncay had. I think TP sees him as targetman or lone striker. Where did he play at Bolton in a similar system? I couldn't honestly tell you to be honest - I always thought he was used as an out and out striker but might be wrong. Thing is, he doesn't immediately appear to fit easily into either of the striking roles in our side does he?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 17:58:12 GMT
So which one of those is Eidur going to be March? It's up to him to adapt or get lost. Same choice Tuncay had. I think TP sees him as targetman or lone striker. Where did he play at Bolton in a similar system? Where did you think the manager intended playing Tuncay when he signed him though? And re Gudjohnsen: I wouldn't have thought he's the same physical specimen he was 10 years ago, regardless of what he did at Bolton. He doesn't look a natural for either of our traditional striker roles, does he?
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 5, 2010 18:02:20 GMT
It's up to him to adapt or get lost. Same choice Tuncay had. I think TP sees him as targetman or lone striker. Where did he play at Bolton in a similar system? Where did you think the manager intended playing Tuncay when he signed him though? And re Gudjohnsen: I wouldn't have thought he's the same physical specimen he was 10 years ago, regardless of what he did at Bolton. He doesn't look a natural for either of our traditional striker roles, does he? pulis only signed tuncay because it was part of the huth deal and he was desperate to get huth in
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 18:04:23 GMT
It's up to him to adapt or get lost. Same choice Tuncay had. I think TP sees him as targetman or lone striker. Where did he play at Bolton in a similar system? Where did you think the manager intended playing Tuncay when he signed him though? And re Gudjohnsen: I wouldn't have thought he's the same physical specimen he was 10 years ago, regardless of what he did at Bolton. He doesn't look a natural for either of our traditional striker roles, does he? Tuncay has willfully failed to adapt and I have gone on record many times saying I don't have a jot of sympathy for him. Same goes for Kitson. ALL players know our style before they join. I know footballers are thick, but they must see a role for themselves before they sign. EG looked pretty useful at the Brit last season and I see him as a BT type targetman. One thing is for certain, if he can't adapt to a role, he will be gone quicker than you can say 'Land of Fire and Ice'
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 18:07:56 GMT
Where did you think the manager intended playing Tuncay when he signed him though? And re Gudjohnsen: I wouldn't have thought he's the same physical specimen he was 10 years ago, regardless of what he did at Bolton. He doesn't look a natural for either of our traditional striker roles, does he? Tuncay has willfully failed to adapt and I have gone on record many times saying I don't have a jot of sympathy for him. Same goes for Kitson. ALL players know our style before they join. I know footballers are thick, but they must see a role for themselves before they sign. EG looked pretty useful at the Brit last season and I see him as a BT type targetman.One thing is for certain, if he can't adapt to a role, he will be gone quicker than you can say 'Land of Fire and Ice' How do you see a Gudjohnsen-Jones partnership working then, march?
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 18:13:30 GMT
Tuncay has willfully failed to adapt and I have gone on record many times saying I don't have a jot of sympathy for him. Same goes for Kitson. ALL players know our style before they join. I know footballers are thick, but they must see a role for themselves before they sign. EG looked pretty useful at the Brit last season and I see him as a BT type targetman.One thing is for certain, if he can't adapt to a role, he will be gone quicker than you can say 'Land of Fire and Ice' How do you see a Gudjohnsen-Jones partnership working then, march? I don't, unless TP sees EG as a lone striker (or even KJ as the lone striker).
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Post by Davef on Sept 5, 2010 18:22:18 GMT
One thing is for certain, if he can't adapt to a role, he will be gone quicker than you can say 'Land of Fire and Ice' And what role will this be exactly? Waiting up front for long balls to be hit for him to flick on? This is Eidur Gudjohnsen ffs. If our tactics are going to continue to be as one-dimensional with him in the team as they've been for the last twelve months, then it won't be him who'll be getting the flack.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 18:22:56 GMT
How do you see a Gudjohnsen-Jones partnership working then, march? I don't, unless TP sees EG as a lone striker (or even KJ as the lone striker).That's the key question, isn't it? Although why he'd spend £8m on a 'Mama with goals' (bangs head on table for using phrase 'Mama with goals'), then choose to play him in a role other than the Mama role (bangs head on table for calling it 'Mama role') would be a strange one. I can't see Gudjohnsen doing a remotely similar job to the one Fuller currently does though,if he was asked to play in advance of Ken. Could this finally be a changing of the guard?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 18:26:53 GMT
Where did you think the manager intended playing Tuncay when he signed him though? And re Gudjohnsen: I wouldn't have thought he's the same physical specimen he was 10 years ago, regardless of what he did at Bolton. He doesn't look a natural for either of our traditional striker roles, does he? pulis only signed tuncay because it was part of the huth deal and he was desperate to get huth in I don't buy that for a second to be honest, unless you're seriously suggesting that we were prepared to pay £11m for Robert Huth.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 5, 2010 18:44:52 GMT
I think TP may go with:
Sorro Huth Ryan Abdy Higgy/Collins Walters Whitehead Wilson Ethers KJ Ric
Bench
Bego Wilko Higgy/Collins Rory/Whelan Pennant Eidur Tuncay
Just goes to show that every week you could easily find a couple of decent players not even making the bench.
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 18:49:21 GMT
Tuncay was a deadline day panic buy that TP must regret every single day.
The big question has to be whether or not EG fits in the same category. He certainly thrived in a 4-4-1-1 system at Bolton with long passes from the back (Wilson specialises in 60 yard passes). Has TP done his homework on EG?
Let's hope so, because him and KJ look potentially good on paper.
I really hope we don't get to Christmas and Mama has to come straight back because our other signings aren't working.
One thing is an undeniable fact; our style of play will not alter one iota and the 11 positions are totally fixed as are the cages they play in.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 5, 2010 18:55:41 GMT
I hope he wasn't a panic buy march.
Tonge and Soares were panic buys 12 months prior but spunking £6m on a player should never be a panic buy and some serious thought SHOULD have gone into it or Tuncay's signing was inexcusable.
We've done great things again in this window and we now have a very strong squad, let's keep it that way until at least January and utilise Tuncay the best we can along with the rest of the group.
TP has assembled a great squad and it's now up to him to get the best out of all the players.
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 19:10:12 GMT
I hope he wasn't a panic buy march. Tonge and Soares were panic buys 12 months prior but spunking £6m on a player should never be a panic buy and some serious thought SHOULD have gone into it or Tuncay's signing was inexcusable. We've done great things again in this window and we now have a very strong squad, let's keep it that way until at least January and utilise Tuncay the best we can along with the rest of the group. TP has assembled a great squad and it's now up to him to get the best out of all the players. Very true, but there is also great responsibility on the players, as well paid professionals, to do their best to fit to our requirements. The signing of Tuncay will always be a mystery to me!
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 19:12:12 GMT
I think you're oversimplifying, March, and we all just fell into your trap. We'll see fullbacks at the Brit by this time next year as the most obvious example, and I think the two strikers may not be so lock-step over time as we have the ability to attract more talent. Even the type of wingers we are looking to use is changing.
Tunny was obviously too far a reach, but EG is not the same issue and could play up front with KJ in my eyes under Pulis, or even behind KJ and Ric in a not exactly CM position.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 5, 2010 19:14:34 GMT
I hope he wasn't a panic buy march. Tonge and Soares were panic buys 12 months prior but spunking £6m on a player should never be a panic buy and some serious thought SHOULD have gone into it or Tuncay's signing was inexcusable. We've done great things again in this window and we now have a very strong squad, let's keep it that way until at least January and utilise Tuncay the best we can along with the rest of the group. TP has assembled a great squad and it's now up to him to get the best out of all the players. Very true, but there is also great responsibility on the players, as well paid professionals, to do their best to fit to our requirements. The signing of Tuncay will always be a mystery to me! I just hope we aren't stubborn enough not to try to find a use for him. It's a squad game so we shouldn't leave a player such as Tunny out in the cold.
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 19:16:59 GMT
I think you're oversimplifying, March, and we all just fell into your trap. We'll see fullbacks at the Brit by this time next year as the most obvious example, and I think the two strikers may not be so lock-step over time as we have the ability to attract more talent. Even the type of wingers we are looking to use is changing. Tunny was obviously too far a reach, but EG is not the same issue and could play up front with KJ in my eyes under Pulis, or even behind KJ and Ric in a not exactly CM position. Trap My view of TP is that he has found a system that works and will NEVER change it. To TP, the system is king and players have to adapt or leave. Evolution to me is KJ for Mama - a similar player but better. Is EG a markup on Ric????
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 19:24:41 GMT
Both very gifted - and, at his peak, there weren't many better than Gudjohnsen, but, at nearly 32, he's not going to be able to play the advanced striker role in remotely the same way that Fuller has played it for the last 4 years, is he?
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 19:26:13 GMT
Both very gifted - and, at his peak, there weren't many better than Gudjohnsen, but, at nearly 32, he's not going to be able to play the advanced striker role in remotely the same way that Fuller has played it for the last 4 years, is he? I think you have just struck the nail on the head. I hope we haven't got another Tuncay situation.
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 19:33:23 GMT
Both very gifted - and, at his peak, there weren't many better than Gudjohnsen, but, at nearly 32, he's not going to be able to play the advanced striker role in remotely the same way that Fuller has played it for the last 4 years, is he? I think you have just struck the nail on the head. I hope we haven't got another Tuncay situation. I just don't see the two as comparable. Tuncay has always played one position - the one he wants. EG has shown discipline to play several positions in several systems. He isn't Ric's clone, but he's certainly got the size and class to play up front with a player like KJ.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 19:33:51 GMT
Both very gifted - and, at his peak, there weren't many better than Gudjohnsen, but, at nearly 32, he's not going to be able to play the advanced striker role in remotely the same way that Fuller has played it for the last 4 years, is he? I think you have just struck the nail on the head. I hope we haven't got another Tuncay situation. Well, Gudjohnsen's history, and attributes, are no secret, are they? And neither was Tuncay's. He always looked a weird fit unless the manager was going to modify his approach So it's up to the manager to buy players who are going to fit his system, tweak the system, or face accusations that he's bought unwisely if he's unwilling to do that, isn't it?
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 19:39:59 GMT
I think you have just struck the nail on the head. I hope we haven't got another Tuncay situation. Well, Gudjohnsen's history, and attributes, is no secret, is it? And neither was Tuncay's. He always looked a weird fit unless the manager was going to modify his approach So it's up to the manager to buy players who are going to fit his system, tweak the system, or face accusations that he's bought unwisely if he's unwilling to do that, isn't it? Redknapp converted Bale to a different position. It is not up to the player to decide where he plays, he gets paid for carrying out his manager's wishes. I agree, this is where Tuncay and EG differ. Tuncay appears vain and self-centred whereas EG is much more accommodating. I can't see EG as a targetman as that is KJ's job. So TP must have him for lone striker, just like he was at Bolton. He certainly had the pace and power to trouble Abdy last season.
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2010 19:52:32 GMT
bet we are all wrong
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 5, 2010 20:02:18 GMT
march4, what would you say KJ's role was at Chelsea?
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 20:34:04 GMT
march4, what would you say KJ's role was at Chelsea? He had half the pitch to himself ;D KJ had to head the ball on and then run on to it!
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 5, 2010 20:51:43 GMT
Well what if we were to use that blueprint in the future? Gudjohnsen could then waddle about just infront of the midfield, no problem.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Sept 5, 2010 20:57:36 GMT
As Tony is Mr. cautious and the Villa game is such a must not lose game we will see very little change from the norm, Wilson, Pennant and Gudjohnson will be on the bench, he is certainly not going to start with both Ethers & Pennant and Rory will not be dumped as his throws are potential match winners with Collins likely to be missing for Villa. Starting upfront Jones (if fit) or Walters & Fuller.
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 21:09:02 GMT
Well what if we were to use that blueprint in the future? Gudjohnsen could then waddle about just infront of the midfield, no problem. We have a blueprint. 4-4-1-1. Expecting TP to try something different twice in a season is unreasonable ;D
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 5, 2010 21:12:47 GMT
Bego
Wilko Shawo Hutho Higgo
Walto Whiteo Penno Ethero
Jono Tunco
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 21:13:03 GMT
Well what if we were to use that blueprint in the future? Gudjohnsen could then waddle about just infront of the midfield, no problem. We have a blueprint. 4-4-1-1. Expecting TP to try something different twice in a season is unreasonable ;D Christ March, you're like Scherrer and Krauss, except 3 trillion years early. ;D
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 21:17:44 GMT
We have a blueprint. 4-4-1-1. Expecting TP to try something different twice in a season is unreasonable ;D Christ March, you're like Scherrer and Krauss, except 3 trillion years early. ;D ;D ;D ;D Only telling it as it is. I wouldn't want any supporters getting their hopes up that we are going to be exponents of total football. Our 4-4-1-1 system is very effective and any players at the club need to find themselves a role within it or get lost.
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