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Post by samblano on Sept 5, 2010 15:24:40 GMT
theirs hundreds of kids in the bentilee area now that are confused!!! theyre wondering themselves whats that other person called that goes alongside mama............... why the dig at Bentilee
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 15:24:57 GMT
You'd start Delap in front of Gudjohnsen? A centre mid of Tuncay and EG would get absolutely molested in a Pulis system, and it's clearly never going to happen. Yes it would, and I wouldn't do that either. My reply focused on Delap, but we all know TP isn't going to play Tunny there. I think your possible combinations (that TP would use and that I think are reasonable) would be Wilson---EG Whitehead---Wilson Whitehead---EG Walters---Wilson Wilson-Whelan Obviously, EG is more likely to play striker, and we could see Whitehead at RB now that we have some other CM options.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 15:26:03 GMT
This will be TP's starting XI for Villa: - KJ Walters Ethers Wilson Whitehead Pennant Collins Shawcross Faye Huth Sorensen
I can't see Walters starting up front at home again, not with a fit KJ and Gudjohnsen now here. I'd guess at: Soro Huth-Shawcrss-Faye-Collins Walters-Whitehead-Wilson-Etherington Jones-Fuller. But once Pennant and Gudjohnsen are up to speed, God knows what'll happen! And are we going to go in Delap-less consistently?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 15:27:51 GMT
A centre mid of Tuncay and EG would get absolutely molested in a Pulis system, and it's clearly never going to happen. Yes it would, and I wouldn't do that either. My reply focused on Delap, but we all know TP isn't going to play Tunny there. I think your possible combinations (that TP would use and that I think are reasonable) would be Wilson---EG Whitehead---Wilson Whitehead---EG Walters---Wilson Wilson-Whelan Obviously, EG is more likely to play striker, and we could see Whitehead at RB now that we have some other CM options. I'd start Delap in centre mid ahead of both Whelan and Whitehead.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 15:30:26 GMT
So would I, Rob. I'd like to see Wilson and Delap have a chance as a partnership.
But, short of a radical move of Whitehead to RB, it's tough to see TP preferring Delap in CM to Whitehead.
But is he going to be willing to lose the throw?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 15:31:32 GMT
So would I, Rob. I'd like to see Wilson and Delap have a chance as a partnership. But, short of a radical move of Whitehead to RB, it's tough to see TP preferring Delap in CM to Whitehead. But is he going to be willing to lose the throw? I've still got a chilling feeling in my bones that he's going to carry on playing Rory wide right Grapey. I thoroughly hope I'm wrong but in my heart of hearts it wouldn't shock me.
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Post by milkybarkid63 on Sept 5, 2010 15:32:55 GMT
Can't forget Walters though! What's going happen to him now?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 15:33:40 GMT
Can't forget Walters though! What's going happen to him now?! Walters deserves to keep his place imo. I'd start him wide right against Villa and introduce Pennant second half.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 5, 2010 15:38:38 GMT
he will go with jones and gudjohnson for sure, gudjohnson hasnt come here to sit on the bench, he will start
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Post by wisdommaster on Sept 5, 2010 15:39:35 GMT
fuller and kj Mama and kj once mama recovers.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 15:40:47 GMT
I haven't got a clue what he's thinking pretty much anywhere on the pitch at the moment, in terms of his favoured XI who'll get 2/3+ of the starts?
RB - Huth/Wilko/Wilson Is there any hint at all of a move away from Huth? And does that mean he trusts Faye, long-term, in the middle?
LB Collins/Higgy Is Collins the man again?
RM Walters/Pennant/Delap Surely Pennant hasn't come to be an impact sub for 4 months? He certainly won't be staying long-term if that's the intention
CM Wilson/Whitehead/Delap/Whelan Is he at the stage where he's willing to sacrifice the throw?
CF - Jones/Gudjohnsen/Fuller They all seem pretty undroppable for different reasons
I wonder if he'd play Wilson at RB? Interesting he mentioned his ability to play there when he signed
When's the last time he started a fit Delap on the bench?
I'd like to think Rory was, at least, 3rd choice for RM now though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 15:41:06 GMT
fuller and kj Mama and kj once mama recovers. This "he plays Mama before anyone else" thing is a myth. Tone has spent over £15m trying to replace Mama so far.
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Post by wisdommaster on Sept 5, 2010 15:48:19 GMT
fuller and kj Mama and kj once mama recovers. This "he plays Mama before anyone else" thing is a myth. Tone has spent over £15m trying to replace Mama so far. TP plays the ones who r obedient to his orders. I can't find a player who is more obedient than mama.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 15:49:20 GMT
This "he plays Mama before anyone else" thing is a myth. Tone has spent over £15m trying to replace Mama so far. TP plays the ones who r obedient to his orders. I can't find a player who is more obedient than mama. I think you'll find most, if not all managers do that mate.
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Post by wisdommaster on Sept 5, 2010 15:56:20 GMT
TP plays the ones who r obedient to his orders. I can't find a player who is more obedient than mama. I think you'll find most, if not all managers do that mate. Yes, i do agree. But other managers do try to strike balance between quality and obedience. Therefore they provide some freedom to quality players.
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Post by hollywood on Sept 5, 2010 16:00:49 GMT
I haven't got a clue what he's thinking pretty much anywhere on the pitch at the moment, in terms of his favoured XI who'll get 2/3+ of the starts? RB - Huth/Wilko/Wilson Is there any hint at all of a move away from Huth? And does that mean he trusts Faye, long-term, in the middle? LB Collins/Higgy Is Collins the man again? RM Walters/Pennant/Delap Surely Pennant hasn't come to be an impact sub for 4 months? He certainly won't be staying long-term if that's the intention CM Wilson/Whitehead/Delap/Whelan Is he at the stage where he's willing to sacrifice the throw? CF - Jones/Gudjohnsen/Fuller They all seem pretty undroppable for different reasons I wonder if he'd play Wilson at RB? Interesting he mentioned his ability to play there when he signed When's the last time he started a fit Delap on the bench? I'd like to think Rory was, at least, 3rd choice for RM now though. has Rory played Right back way back when? I'd love to see a Huth-Shawx centre back partnership. God love Abdy Faye for his performances in our first year back in the top flight, but last year (injury blighted to be fair), he was nowhere near as good at c back as huth and shawx. I wouldn;t mind seeing soro delap-huth-shawx-higgy walters/pennant-wislon-whead-ethers ric/eidur-Jones
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2010 16:36:58 GMT
TP is lambasted for playing square pegs in round holes and here we have various message board luminaries advocating a whole host of scenarios that sees Whitehead at right back (he can't play well in his preferred position) and Gudjohnson, a bloke who has played as a forward through his entire career, in midfield.
This board never ceases to amaze me at times!
As for yet more derogatory comments about Rory, I too hope that the new signings spell the end of Rory's outings in a wide position. In central midfield, however, he should be no.1 choice with hopefully Wilson alongside him and Whelan as back up.
Whitehead can be confined to the dustbin for the forseeable future for me!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2010 17:29:07 GMT
If Wilson does become the first name on the teamsheet for CM, it will certainly be interesting to see who the chosen man alongside him will be.
I really don't think he can, with a straight face, consider Rory for RM, so if he wants the throw, it'll have to be him (and I'd go with him anyway)
But if I had to put money on it, it'd be Whitehead, with Whelan his last choice.
And God knows what kind of black death outbreak scenario it'll take for Salif to even get on the bench!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2010 17:34:43 GMT
Fuller...I think we both know that Salif will be rolled up when we least expect it, having not featured for months, and probably not even trained.
He will probably play really well and get a start in the next game where he will be absolute shit. Everyone will moan, all hell will break lose on the board, and before we know it, he will be injured again and we will hear nothing of him until he miraculously turns up for his next appearance in the starting 11.
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Post by alexk on Sept 5, 2010 17:37:23 GMT
TP is lambasted for playing square pegs in round holes and here we have various message board luminaries advocating a whole host of scenarios that sees Whitehead at right back (he can't play well in his preferred position) and Gudjohnson, a bloke who has played as a forward through his entire career, in midfield. This board never ceases to amaze me at times! As for yet more derogatory comments about Rory, I too hope that the new signings spell the end of Rory's outings in a wide position. In central midfield, however, he should be no.1 choice with hopefully Wilson alongside him and Whelan as back up. Whitehead can be confined to the dustbin for the forseeable future for me! Two things: Gudjohnsen only ever played in midfield for Barcelona. I think the desire to see him in that position stems from the wish to see him in the starting eleven, in addition to a Fuller/Jones strike partnership. Re: Whitehead. His only vaguely competent display in a Stoke shirt came at right back. Woefully out of his depth in the centre of midfield at this level.
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 17:41:31 GMT
Yes it would, and I wouldn't do that either. My reply focused on Delap, but we all know TP isn't going to play Tunny there. I think your possible combinations (that TP would use and that I think are reasonable) would be Wilson---EG Whitehead---Wilson Whitehead---EG Walters---Wilson Wilson-Whelan Obviously, EG is more likely to play striker, and we could see Whitehead at RB now that we have some other CM options. I'd start Delap in centre mid ahead of both Whelan and Whitehead. I'd start him ahead of Whelan, but not Whitehead now that we have some proper wingers for the right side. I think TP would start him ahead of Sir Stan, though, so you're probably right...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2010 17:42:06 GMT
I don't watch foreign football Alex so couldn't comment but it is not a position I have seen him play before.
I must have missed Whiteheads performance at right back though. I remember him playing a bit there during the Man City game when we were down to 10 men, but I wouldn't say he looked good.
As with his efforts in midfield, he masked a distinct lack of ability with unbelievable energy levels. There is no need to play Whitehead at right back when we have Wilko waiting for a game.
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Post by Davef on Sept 5, 2010 17:43:38 GMT
Whitehead has been booked in all three league games so far, so it won't be long before TP has no say in his selection.
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 17:44:03 GMT
TP is lambasted for playing square pegs in round holes and here we have various message board luminaries advocating a whole host of scenarios that sees Whitehead at right back (he can't play well in his preferred position) and Gudjohnson, a bloke who has played as a forward through his entire career, in midfield. This board never ceases to amaze me at times! As for yet more derogatory comments about Rory, I too hope that the new signings spell the end of Rory's outings in a wide position. In central midfield, however, he should be no.1 choice with hopefully Wilson alongside him and Whelan as back up. Whitehead can be confined to the dustbin for the forseeable future for me! Two things: Gudjohnsen only ever played in midfield for Barcelona. I think the desire to see him in that position stems from the wish to see him in the starting eleven, in addition to a Fuller/Jones strike partnership. Re: Whitehead. His only vaguely competent display in a Stoke shirt came at right back. Woefully out of his depth in the centre of midfield at this level. His best display probably came there, but it's a bit harsh to say that was his only competent display. He's got zero flash, but he's very solid for me.
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Post by bostonstokie on Sept 5, 2010 17:45:01 GMT
I don't watch foreign football Alex so couldn't comment but it is not a position I have seen him play before. I must have missed Whiteheads performance at right back though. I remember him playing a bit there during the Man City game when we were down to 10 men, but I wouldn't say he looked good. As with his efforts in midfield, he masked a distinct lack of ability with unbelievable energy levels. There is no need to play Whitehead at right back when we have Wilko waiting for a game. Actually, Deano looked better there than 8 out of 10 Wilko games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 17:45:28 GMT
I'd start Delap in centre mid ahead of both Whelan and Whitehead. I'd start him ahead of Whelan, but not Whitehead now that we have some proper wingers for the right side. I think TP would start him ahead of Sir Stan, though, so you're probably right... You've got to ask yourself though, would Stan track back and help his full back out? I don't think there's much to choose between Rory and Deano, but Rory's a more intelligent, disciplined player, so I'd opt for him out of the two. Hopefully Jenas will see which side his bread is buttered in January.
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 17:46:45 GMT
Our team is and always will be;
-----------------Keeper----------------- CB--------CB------------CB----------CB RM---------CM---------CM-----------LM ---------------Targetman--------------- --------------Lone Striker---------------
Anyone thinking otherwise has been eating those funny mushrooms again.
Any player joining us has to fit one of those 11 positions and fit it to TP's satisfaction.
If they can't adapt they can leave.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 17:47:28 GMT
Our team is and always will be; -----------------Keeper----------------- CB--------CB------------CB----------CB RM---------CM---------CM-----------LM ---------------Targetman--------------- --------------Lone Striker--------------- Anyone thinking otherwise has been eating those funny mushrooms again. Any player joining us has to fit one of those 11 positions and fit it to TP's satisfaction. If they can't adapt they can leave. So which one of those is Eidur going to be March?
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Post by hollywood on Sept 5, 2010 17:49:23 GMT
TP is lambasted for playing square pegs in round holes and here we have various message board luminaries advocating a whole host of scenarios that sees Whitehead at right back (he can't play well in his preferred position) and Gudjohnson, a bloke who has played as a forward through his entire career, in midfield. This board never ceases to amaze me at times! As for yet more derogatory comments about Rory, I too hope that the new signings spell the end of Rory's outings in a wide position. In central midfield, however, he should be no.1 choice with hopefully Wilson alongside him and Whelan as back up. Whitehead can be confined to the dustbin for the forseeable future for me! [/quote i wouldn;t normally advocate playing somebody who's not a full back in that position, however, seeing as we don;t have a single full back at the club.....
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Post by march4 on Sept 5, 2010 17:50:02 GMT
Our team is and always will be; -----------------Keeper----------------- CB--------CB------------CB----------CB RM---------CM---------CM-----------LM ---------------Targetman--------------- --------------Lone Striker--------------- Anyone thinking otherwise has been eating those funny mushrooms again. Any player joining us has to fit one of those 11 positions and fit it to TP's satisfaction. If they can't adapt they can leave. So which one of those is Eidur going to be March? It's up to him to adapt or get lost. Same choice Tuncay had. I think TP sees him as targetman or lone striker. Where did he play at Bolton in a similar system?
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