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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 18:16:00 GMT
Every time he scores I turn round to the blokes behind us and exclaim he's wank! ;D
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Post by senojbor on May 11, 2011 18:16:10 GMT
I think the moral of the story is that Tony knows best
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 18:17:16 GMT
This thread is a prime example of why we should give anyone that signs for the club a chance before slagging them off!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 18:17:18 GMT
TP is still imo pretty dodgy in the transfer marker, that I will argue the toss about!
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on May 11, 2011 18:18:39 GMT
a good lesson.... always reserve judgment... unless his name is Kitson.
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 11, 2011 18:19:49 GMT
Having reservations about a signing is ok but then not to give him a fair chance when he puts rhe red and shirt on is not this was classic OTT (BAYERN)
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 18:21:37 GMT
I did give him a chance tbf! He played well against Spurs, I said he did and then he was useless until March. edit-just read through it, as I suspected it was before he signed, after they sign I give them a chance. I would even have given that useless prick Ledley a chance if he signed!
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Post by seddonstandviewer on May 11, 2011 18:25:16 GMT
This is a very interesting thread, and as long as it doesn't turn into a petty point scoring thread it will serve as a great lesson to many fans for now and the future.
It also serves as great credit to Jon Walters, who has turned many views around through one thing and one thing only - hard work.
Well done Jon Walters, well done Tony Pulis and well done to all the stokies on this thread who will take it on the chin!
;D
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Post by foster on May 11, 2011 18:36:09 GMT
Hey, at least it's not fucking Kovac the WH reject!!! Everyone needs to chill out and give the guy a chance. I reckon he'll definately improve our squad. I love being right 1 nil Foster
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Post by swampySCFC on May 11, 2011 18:38:32 GMT
Fuck me there are some sad comments on this thread ;D
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Post by bettsy on May 11, 2011 18:41:48 GMT
Why are so many old threads being dragged up? Like the majority of fans at the time we were slightly disappionted because he came from the championship etc etc, started well then played badly for a few months and now is in the form of his life! That pretty much sums it up
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 18:51:32 GMT
TP is still imo pretty dodgy in the transfer marker, that I will argue the toss about! Really? I think as almost the entire team has been bought by Pulis, (8th and in the FA Cup final), its pretty unbelievable anybody would question his achievement in the transfer market. I'd go as far to say any player signed before we went up didn't cost enough to label as a disaster (even then only Paul Williams and his son spring to mind... unless you're being really picky and pull out the odd short term loan signing) and the only players we are going to make, or have already made, a significant loss on without them playing any real part in our progress (I can only really think of Amdy Faye, Kitson, Soares and Tongue) were panic buys when we got promoted as we had no squad to talk off. When you weigh this up against all the quality he had bought, for mostly reasonable prices, how can he really not be praised??? I'll give you Danny Collins, but he's the exception that proves the rule!
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Post by sihanouk on May 11, 2011 18:54:07 GMT
Spot on as usual To be fair though it must be hard to spot a decent player in your Dame Edna specs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on May 11, 2011 18:56:11 GMT
Spot on as usual To be fair though it must be hard to spot a decent player in your Dame Edna specs ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D hehe ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 18:57:02 GMT
TP is still imo pretty dodgy in the transfer marker, that I will argue the toss about! Really? I think as almost the entire team has been bought by Pulis, (8th and in the FA Cup final), its pretty unbelievable anybody would question his achievement in the transfer market. I'd go as far to say any player signed before we went up didn't cost enough to label as a disaster (even then only Paul Williams and his son spring to mind... unless you're being really picky and pull out the odd short term loan signing) and the only players we are going to make, or have already made, a significant loss on without them playing any real part in our progress (I can only really think of Amdy Faye, Kitson, Soares and Tongue) were panic buys when we got promoted as we had no squad to talk off. When you weigh this up against all the quality he had bought, for mostly reasonable prices, how can he really not be praised??? I'll give you Danny Collins, but he's the exception that proves the rule! He has done very well and I accept all managers will have some stinker! But I think he's about 50/50 when it comes down to it. Which is a decent rate. Just a few things puzzle me-the lack of looking abroad, some of the fees we pay for very average players (Whitehead, Collins, Tuncay, Soares, Tonge, Arismendi etc). You mention Amdy Faye, I'd class him as being one of TP's better signing since we got up. He was free and did a bloody great job for us! But then there is Seyi to balance it out! TP's best transfers are often the cheapies.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on May 11, 2011 19:05:18 GMT
Carlton Cole will be a championship player in 12 months
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Post by serpico on May 11, 2011 19:06:57 GMT
Carlton Cole will be a stoke player in about 3 months
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Post by Stalking Horse on May 11, 2011 19:07:38 GMT
3 million for Jon fucking Walters? Why? What a load of bollocks! Youd think we'd learn wouldn't You! There's always 1 idiot who thinks he know's better than the manager!! ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 19:09:08 GMT
I do! ;D ;D
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Post by NG4POTTERS on May 11, 2011 19:12:44 GMT
Will people be booing him onto the pitch then ??? He's a stoke player now, get behind him, the negativity is disturbing but nonetheless expected. Could turn out to be a cracking player for us. GOOOAAARN STOKE!! Yeah man ;D Found my one post on the issue Another thing reading this thread, it reminded me of what a good poster hustler/pickscfc was before all that stupidity that gone him banned. Always stood his corner and seemingly had a great passion for the club. Yeah he was fairly arrogant sometimes but he would never shy away from backing his own opinions up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 19:15:02 GMT
He was but it usually ended with either him or someone getting called a prick. ;D
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Post by NG4POTTERS on May 11, 2011 19:16:37 GMT
He was but it usually ended with either him or someone getting called a prick. ;D ;D Very true. Which brings me to another issue, what happened to scfcloyalist ???
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 19:20:08 GMT
For me Dean Whitehead is immense, if he was surrounded by lazy players like Scott Parker, people would appreciate the sheer amount of running he does (these types of players never really get the praise they deserve, a bit like Fletcher at manure) and we pretty much made our money back on Tuncay. As for Arismendi, well he's still young, and there's no saying we won't sell him to at least close to what we paid for him if we decide to get rid.
I've said before that I don't think you can really count the signings from the first season, unless you would have really been happy with a load of youngsters on the bench.
I'm not saying he hasn't made a mistake and that he is above criticism, but when you consider the team he took over in 2002 (or was it 2003??), I'd be really surprised if any other manager in the modern era has achieved what he has with the same or less expenditure.
God knows why I'm going off on one here, it was just you said he was 'pretty dodgy' in the transfer market and I can't really see the logic in that statement. Its not like we've risen to these lofty heights off the back of our youth system or by blowing an absolute fortune (I'd be quietly confident Redknapp spent considerably more on wages/transfer fees with his similar success with Portsmouth).
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Post by sihanouk on May 11, 2011 19:21:23 GMT
To be fair the Ipswich fan was spot on about what he'd bring to us. I wonder if some of those slating Walters even knew what the bloke looked like. A quick look at his stats on Wiki etc and judged him on that
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Post by sihanouk on May 11, 2011 19:23:06 GMT
He was but it usually ended with either him or someone getting called a prick. ;D ;D Very true. Which brings me to another issue, what happened to scfcloyalist ??? He's still trying to get into his imaginary box at Wembley for the semi final
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 19:29:14 GMT
For me Dean Whitehead is immense, if he was surrounded by lazy players like Scott Parker, people would appreciate the sheer amount of running he does (these types of players never really get the praise they deserve, a bit like Fletcher at manure) and we pretty much made our money back on Tuncay. As for Arismendi, well he's still young, and there's no saying we won't sell him to at least close to what we paid for him if we decide to get rid. I've said before that I don't think you can really count the signings from the first season, unless you would have really been happy with a load of youngsters on the bench. I'm not saying he hasn't made a mistake and that he is above criticism, but when you consider the team he took over in 2002 (or was it 2003??), I'd be really surprised if any other manager in the modern era has achieved what he has with the same or less expenditure. God knows why I'm going off on one here, it was just you said he was 'pretty dodgy' in the transfer market and I can't really see the logic in that statement. Its not like we've risen to these lofty heights off the back of our youth system or by blowing an absolute fortune (I'd be quietly confident Redknapp spent considerably more on wages/transfer fees with his similar success with Portsmouth). He does run a lot but he's never worth 5 million in a million years, he should score more goals and he should be better on the ball. He's also very inconsistent. If he eradicated those 3 things then maybe I would think he was worth close to his fee. Scott Parker, lazy-really? We lost a few million on Tunch, he was underused during his time and is a player that really doesn't suit a Tony Pulis team. I like Tunch but it was disastrous transfer. Arismendi is the pinnacle of pointless, disastrous transfers. If we can get close to what we paid for him then kudos to Tony Scholes because he's done nothing since he came here. Of course we can count the signing from the first season, if we can't then TP will be denied 4 of his best signings (Sorro, Faye, Ethers and Beattie). That is where TP works his magic I think. All relatively cheap, all out in the wilderness, all have done bloody marvelously for this club. I think we're in the top 4 for net spend in the past 3 years, which was needed to get where are we, he has spent a lot of money in a net sense. To be fair the Ipswich fan was spot on about what he'd bring to us. I wonder if some of those slating Walters even knew what the bloke looked like. A quick look at his stats on Wiki etc and judged him on that I did know what he looked Soi, just couldn't decide if he was black or white though, this confused me! ;D
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Post by sihanouk on May 11, 2011 19:34:09 GMT
Wasn't singling you out Bayern but those who simply cut and pasted his stats. Some players simply adapt and Walters took time to do so but has also now added goals to his game making him an all round excellent player. When the guy gets the ball he is so hard to shrug off it.
I used to have on of those novelty cats that changed colour depending on the weather- I think Walters is a bit like that. Could see on Sunday after his goal and he celebrated in front of me that we were in for a bit of light drizzle and windy spells
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 19:38:41 GMT
I agree though, the biggest change since he found his feet is that him and KJ are doing imo what Fuller would do for us and that is moving out wide from the middle and creating space for each other that way. Before neither of them were doing it and KJ in particular was more static than a statue. But since March both of them have been terrific and work so well together as a partnership. Just hope it can continue.
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Post by foster on May 11, 2011 19:44:06 GMT
I'm sure there are a lot of Liverpool fans feeling sheepish about the stick they gave to Maxi as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2011 19:46:18 GMT
I'm sure there are a lot of Liverpool fans feeling sheepish about the stick they gave to Maxi as well. And Lucas, I can feel their pain on that one! ;D
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