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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 17:46:11 GMT
You have have been proved wrong time after time after time and still you continue to slate the manager and his targets and unlike yourself the bloke deserves alot more respect than he gets off inbreds like yourself.
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Post by northstokie on May 25, 2010 17:49:40 GMT
You have have been proved wrong time after time after time and still you continue to slate the manager and his targets and unlike yourself the bloke deserves alot more respect than he gets off inbreds like yourself. You're wasting your time Muttley, like hudson, they are too blinded by their hatred and are foaming at the mouth having been shown up to be the idiots that they are time after time after time. You'd think they would have the good grace to crawl back under the rock they came from but they won't because they have no class.
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Post by pasa on May 25, 2010 17:52:07 GMT
You have have been proved wrong time after time after time and still you continue to slate the manager and his targets and unlike yourself the bloke deserves alot more respect than he gets off inbreds like yourself. been proved wrong time after time? please enlighten me.....
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Post by pasa on May 25, 2010 17:53:56 GMT
You have have been proved wrong time after time after time and still you continue to slate the manager and his targets and unlike yourself the bloke deserves alot more respect than he gets off inbreds like yourself. You're wasting your time Muttley, like hudson, they are too blinded by their hatred and are foaming at the mouth having been shown up to be the idiots that they are time after time after time. You'd think they would have the good grace to crawl back under the rock they came from but they won't because they have no class. just because i havnt got a brown nose with tp's shit on it i have no class. not questioning him because of your blinding love for him is having no class.
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Post by pasa on May 25, 2010 17:55:12 GMT
You have have been proved wrong time after time after time and still you continue to slate the manager and his targets and unlike yourself the bloke deserves alot more respect than he gets off inbreds like yourself. You're wasting your time Muttley, like hudson, they are too blinded by their hatred and are foaming at the mouth having been shown up to be the idiots that they are time after time after time. You'd think they would have the good grace to crawl back under the rock they came from but they won't because they have no class. whats it got to do with you? keep your brown nose out.
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Post by Roy Cropper on May 25, 2010 17:57:59 GMT
get on the blower tone!!!! Nah - according to DV we are after better than him, even though according to Lou M we cant afford Heskeys wages That the problem, we're after players who won't come!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 17:58:05 GMT
I will trawl through the crap you have posted in your 763 posts and let you know.
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Post by boscfc on May 25, 2010 17:58:08 GMT
have you got the painters in pasa?
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Post by northstokie on May 25, 2010 17:59:37 GMT
You're wasting your time Muttley, like hudson, they are too blinded by their hatred and are foaming at the mouth having been shown up to be the idiots that they are time after time after time. You'd think they would have the good grace to crawl back under the rock they came from but they won't because they have no class. just because i havnt got a brown nose with tp's shit on it i have no class. not questioning him because of your blinding love for him is having no class. There is a difference between questioning him and abusing him, it's just a shame you can't see it
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2010 18:00:45 GMT
That was Bayern Munich B in the German equivalent of League 2 though. And the Austrian league is one of the weakest in Europe. The Z-Man has a good international record and a very respectable record in La Liga, which is supposedly one of the best 2 leagues in the world indeed it was Fm, just noticed... That said there have been plenty of high profile Spanish players arriving with big reputations and failing... Jose Antonio Reyes Xisco (Newcastle) Luque (newcastle) Morientes (Liverpool) - and he had scored nearly 1 in 2 for Real Madrid! Yeah. Agreed, North. Just shows any transfer can fail. But this record in La Liga is damned impressive. La Liga 06-07 12 in 32 (2796 mins) Santander 07-08 1 in 3 (500 mins) Valencia 08-09 13 in 20 (1783 mins) Santander 09-10 4 in 5 (556 mins) Valencia 30 in 60 starts and a goal every 187 minutes overall
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Post by Binndy on May 25, 2010 18:00:45 GMT
lacina traore 6ft 8ins in his socks think arse nal were interested in jan. about 4million ? only needs an extra long bed. only young but showing promise, if we cant have zigic
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Post by northstokie on May 25, 2010 18:03:05 GMT
indeed it was Fm, just noticed... That said there have been plenty of high profile Spanish players arriving with big reputations and failing... Jose Antonio Reyes Xisco (Newcastle) Luque (newcastle) Morientes (Liverpool) - and he had scored nearly 1 in 2 for Real Madrid! Yeah. Agreed, North. Just shows any transfer can fail. But this record in La Liga is damned impressive. La Liga 06-07 12 in 32 (2796 mins) Santander 07-08 1 in 3 (500 mins) Valencia 08-09 13 in 20 (1783 mins) Santander 09-10 4 in 5 (556 mins) Valencia 30 in 60 starts and a goal every 187 minutes overall No, I agree, the lad is worth a punt in my book but I'm not the manager, nor am I slashing my wrists and stomping my feet like a pissy little girl like some on here (though not you) because Sky have suggested another team might be in for him...
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Post by soicowboy2 on May 25, 2010 18:09:57 GMT
get on the blower tone!!!! Nah - according to DV we are after better than him, even though according to Lou M we cant afford Heskeys wages Personally sick to death of hearing re Macari's opinions on how we should do this and that. How on earth would he know what players we can and can't afford? As for Zigic........he's never played in the Prem and the fuss caused by him on this MB baffles me a bit. Sure he's a good big target man but won't be crying myself to sleep if he goes to Brum.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 18:13:54 GMT
So we should only sign players that have played in the Premier League then?
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Post by soicowboy2 on May 25, 2010 18:15:54 GMT
So we should only sign players that have played in the Premier League then? Quote me where I said that? I simply pointed out he hadn't played in the Prem which he hasn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 18:18:13 GMT
It sounded like that was the main reason. "As for Zigic........he's never played in the Prem" Nothing else given, that's all.
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Post by soicowboy2 on May 25, 2010 18:24:15 GMT
Have read my post a few times and still can't for the life of me see where I said we shouldn't sign players outside of the Prem..................I'll keep looking. Will get back to you when I see that.
I might be gone some time :-) Sure that will upset you
Zigic is a gamble...........................IF we were between him and a proven Prem striker ie Cole then personally there is no substitution for a player proven in our league for me. Signing a main striker and relying on him to come in from another country is always a risk but could well work but could also be a disaster. We desperately need a PROVEN scorer at Prem level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 18:28:10 GMT
It just sounded like the reason You dismissed Zigic was that he had never played in the Prem, so if that rule is applied to all targets-we should sign no one from the Prem-simples.
We're not going to get one though unless it's Heskey.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 25, 2010 18:37:12 GMT
I can only really reiterate what other people have said. We need two, maybe three if Tuncay leaves, strikers in this window. The 'A' List will probably be completely unattainable - Jones and Cole would command big transfer fees, big wages and would need some real incentives to join. £6,000,000 is a reasonable price and whilst he's an unknown quantity, there's nothing to say that he couldn't do a job for us. We could match the transfer fee and probably force Birmingham out of the market with wages. We could probably afford one big marquee signing up front, but we would need a deal like this one.
It just seems awfully like we're off chasing rainbows like Carrick and Jones, while the decent but less spectacular players are slipping away to other teams.
What exactly made Valencia difficult when it came to dealing with us, but smooth when it came to dealing with Birmingham?
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Post by actongatestokie on May 25, 2010 18:38:38 GMT
It's not a simple case of looking at him, his height and his goalscoring record and saying "ooh, look at him. He could be our Mama with goals".
Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis.
We all want him to change. We all know he won't, bar a few little novelties here and there (maybe slightly better full backs as we go along, a better central midfielder and a better winger here and there). Ultimately, he won't alter his striker set up. He likes to give one freedom and to counter balance that with a big targetman, who sits on top of the opposition anchorman and links his own deeper midfield with his cavalier up front. He craves the defensive solidity that the midfield duo and targetman "triangle" gives him.
Cry as much as you want, but thats how it is. It's that system that has got us this far and it will be that system that takes us forward, providing we get players with the same attitude as we have now but with better ball skills.
The question we need to ask... Is Zigic the player to play the withdrawn targetman role? Is he not another 6M flop in waiting along the same lines as Kitson? Big, lanky, better with the ball at his feet, immobile?
Is he not a targetman that is slightly on the slow side, likes to play further up the pitch with wide men thrashing crosses in at him, like Kitson at Reading?
Will he be a success at Brum? who knows? I'd put a wager on him being a flop at Brum with a system that maybe more suited to his game than the one here.
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Post by ryouonthistrain on May 25, 2010 18:38:40 GMT
This post is just sad! One footballer doesn't make a team.Couldn't care less about Zigic.The last few seasons transfers have generally been good.can't people just wait and see who we bring in b4 slitting their wrists.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 18:49:18 GMT
Ahh that was an entertaining 20 minutes read, I wonder if SlipKnots bassist read this thread
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2010 18:54:45 GMT
It's not a simple case of looking at him, his height and his goalscoring record and saying "ooh, look at him. He could be our Mama with goals". Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis. We all want him to change. We all know he won't, bar a few little novelties here and there (maybe slightly better full backs as we go along, a better central midfielder and a better winger here and there). Ultimately, he won't alter his striker set up. He likes to give one freedom and to counter balance that with a big targetman, who sits on top of the opposition anchorman and links his own deeper midfield with his cavalier up front. He craves the defensive solidity that the midfield duo and targetman "triangle" gives him. Cry as much as you want, but thats how it is. It's that system that has got us this far and it will be that system that takes us forward, providing we get players with the same attitude as we have now but with better ball skills. The question we need to ask... Is Zigic the player to play the withdrawn targetman role? Is he not another 6M flop in waiting along the same lines as Kitson? Big, lanky, better with the ball at his feet, immobile? Is he not a targetman that is slightly on the slow side, likes to play further up the pitch with wide men thrashing crosses in at him, like Kitson at Reading? Will he be a success at Brum? who knows? I'd put a wager on him being a flop at Brum with a system that maybe more suited to his game than the one here. www.guillembalague.com/rumores_desp.php?id=262&titulo=Hull,%20Stoke%20and%20Birmingham%20monitoring%20Valencia%20player This brief write-up from Guillem Balague gives the impression he could fit in well here www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/mar/19/europeanfootball.sport1 And this does too....
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 18:54:50 GMT
It's not a simple case of looking at him, his height and his goalscoring record and saying "ooh, look at him. He could be our Mama with goals". Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis is Tony Pulis. We all want him to change. We all know he won't, bar a few little novelties here and there (maybe slightly better full backs as we go along, a better central midfielder and a better winger here and there). Ultimately, he won't alter his striker set up. He likes to give one freedom and to counter balance that with a big targetman, who sits on top of the opposition anchorman and links his own deeper midfield with his cavalier up front. He craves the defensive solidity that the midfield duo and targetman "triangle" gives him. Cry as much as you want, but thats how it is. It's that system that has got us this far and it will be that system that takes us forward, providing we get players with the same attitude as we have now but with better ball skills. The question we need to ask... Is Zigic the player to play the withdrawn targetman role? Is he not another 6M flop in waiting along the same lines as Kitson? Big, lanky, better with the ball at his feet, immobile? Is he not a targetman that is slightly on the slow side, likes to play further up the pitch with wide men thrashing crosses in at him, like Kitson at Reading? Will he be a success at Brum? who knows? I'd put a wager on him being a flop at Brum with a system that maybe more suited to his game than the one here. So who the friggin' hell can we sign? All roads lead to that donkey Heskey. And I think Zigic would fit the system better than Heskey. As I don't think Heskey fits it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 19:00:06 GMT
And I think Zigic would fit the system better than Heskey. As I don't think Heskey fits it. But TP does and I bet he has been spurting TP juice all the way up the mountain thinking about it
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 19:01:47 GMT
And I think Zigic would fit the system better than Heskey. As I don't think Heskey fits it. But TP does and I bet he has been spurting TP juice all the way up the mountain thinking about it ;D That's what worries me.
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Post by actongatestokie on May 25, 2010 19:02:10 GMT
From what i've seen of Zigic, he's nothing more than a head on a stick and you're proverbial "decent touch for a big man" type of targetman - straight out of the "lets shoe-horn Kitson into the hole" disaster we've seen for the last 2 years. Balague can have his opinion. From what i've seen of both player, manager, system and Kitson over the last 2 years i'll have mine aswell... As for who can we sign? A player who doesn't mind doing the defensive work, can head a ball, can control a ball (if we want an upgrade) and can pass a ball (upgrade time again folks) and someone who isn't scared of a bit of graft. You tell me and Pulis who that is, because he has tried to fill that role for the last two seasons without any great success! He wouldn't fit the targetman role, but Jason Roberts would be a player who could rival Fuller for the "aggressive channel runner" and wouldn't cost the earth. He'd be more effective in our system than Beattie, Kitson and Tuncay (13M worth of striker "talent").
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 19:05:16 GMT
Jason Roberts All roads are leading to Heskey at the moment.
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Post by oaties on May 25, 2010 19:17:34 GMT
Fuck Zigic we want Heskey, 33, injury prone, slow and cant score. come on you Potters!!!
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Post by mailman44 on May 25, 2010 19:19:32 GMT
"You'll win nothing with giants."
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