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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2010 15:06:02 GMT
Ok, so lets say we sign Zigic for 6m on a 3yr deal at 60k/week making the deal 9m overall or Jones for 12m on a 3yr deal for 40k/week making the deal 14m overall Jones would walk straight into the Mama role, is a proven goalscorer in the Premier League and more importantly has a resale value being only 25yrs old and previous suitors including the likes of Liverpool could be a destination, if he did well or even if Pulis nutted him we would get the money back and even make a decent profit. Zigic is unproven in the Prem, and has little resale value, as you would have to give him a year to see how he gets on, after that year if you want to get shut, you are left with a 30yr old failed striker who nobody has taken a chance on for the last 2yrs, or worse still, he will sit on his contract meaning no resale whatsoever. I’m all for the gamble myself but lets not kid ourselves that we are able to throw such money about willy nilly, buy Zigic, give ethers what he wants, it all costs money and leads to more players wanting more, Pulis and Coates have to think about that. The abuse and name calling because we don’t want to sign a player is laughable, and all over a 29yr old Serbian who has never played over here, but as we don’t want him it’s “typical useless Stoke” – it’s pathetic. I think your maths are a little bit out there chap. I also think that if Jones did come here he'd be looking for nearer to 60k than 40k too.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2010 15:11:19 GMT
We're not going to sign Jones are we? Zigic is an attainable middle of the road of the signing. And I'm not sure Jones "would walk into the Mama role" either. People's descriptions about this mythical role seem to revolve around work rate (not completely convinced myself) and I'm therefore assuming people have forgotten just what an idle fecker KJ is. Perhaps the use of the term "walk into the Mama role" has more resonance than I first thought! I can't agree with you there fella. Whenever I've seen him on the box for Sunderland this season he's been playing very deep, just in front of the midfield, doing an awful lot of running around. He's also won virtually everything in the air and as well as winning the ball, he's actually directed it on with purpose rather than just aimlessley heading the ball anywhere. Indeed I'm struggling to think of another player in the Prem (at any price) who could successfully do that (specific) role for us. I'd suggest he's a completely different player now to the one that we had previously.
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Post by Irish Stokie on May 25, 2010 15:19:36 GMT
I dont think its the fact that Brum are looking at one of our supposed targets from 2 years ago that is annoying people on here, i think its more the fact that a mid-table team similar in size and pulling power to ourselves is actullay starting to make some moves happen in the market while it appears we are sitting by and scrathing our arses. Now it is far to early to say for sure that we have done poorly in the market as the season is hardly over and we could make some top signings before 14th Aug but the fact that Brum are making signings has us feeling a little worried.
As for the Z man, well he is a risk but TBH i would have been delighted had we snapped him up for £6M
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Post by Miles Offside on May 25, 2010 15:21:00 GMT
I've never see him play, and I guess that most on here haven't either.
So it's difficult to know whether we're missing out or if Brum are trying to sign Rikki Dadasson Mark II.
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Post by cocknepott on May 25, 2010 15:26:14 GMT
from an outside perspective i dont see why you would want him - zigic is poor.
poor in the air for a big fella and worse on the deck. there are better players available im sure.
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Post by salopstick on May 25, 2010 15:32:07 GMT
have jones and cole ever really proved them selves in the prem. not enough for the money being bandied about for them
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 15:36:09 GMT
have jones and cole ever really proved them selves in the prem. not enough for the money being bandied about for them Cole has got 10 goals in the league in the last 2 seasons. And KJ has 9,10 and 7 in the last 3 Premier League seasons. And is ready made to win everything in the air in the role Mama plays. Neither will sign though.
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Post by northstokie on May 25, 2010 15:37:03 GMT
Ok, so lets say we sign Zigic for 6m on a 3yr deal at 60k/week making the deal 9m overall or Jones for 12m on a 3yr deal for 40k/week making the deal 14m overall Jones would walk straight into the Mama role, is a proven goalscorer in the Premier League and more importantly has a resale value being only 25yrs old and previous suitors including the likes of Liverpool could be a destination, if he did well or even if Pulis nutted him we would get the money back and even make a decent profit. Zigic is unproven in the Prem, and has little resale value, as you would have to give him a year to see how he gets on, after that year if you want to get shut, you are left with a 30yr old failed striker who nobody has taken a chance on for the last 2yrs, or worse still, he will sit on his contract meaning no resale whatsoever. I’m all for the gamble myself but lets not kid ourselves that we are able to throw such money about willy nilly, buy Zigic, give ethers what he wants, it all costs money and leads to more players wanting more, Pulis and Coates have to think about that. The abuse and name calling because we don’t want to sign a player is laughable, and all over a 29yr old Serbian who has never played over here, but as we don’t want him it’s “typical useless Stoke” – it’s pathetic. I think your maths are a little bit out there chap. I also think that if Jones did come here he'd be looking for nearer to 60k than 40k too. My bad, the total costs lean towards KWJ anyway with a total package of 16m versus Zigic's 15m ...I think
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 15:38:45 GMT
I think your maths are a little bit out there chap. I also think that if Jones did come here he'd be looking for nearer to 60k than 40k too. My bad, the total costs lean towards KWJ anyway with a total package of 16m versus Zigic's 15m ...I think Is that even with KJ on 60k which he supposedly wants/is on at Sunderland?
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Post by griffoisalegend on May 25, 2010 15:39:58 GMT
have jones and cole ever really proved them selves in the prem. not enough for the money being bandied about for them To be short, yes. Would prefer both to Zigic, Jones seems a Fuller type to me in character, outrageous talent, not sure if there's room for one more in the squad though, he's certainly a guy you have to "let be" though. Cole,Jones, whoever, they all would be exciting, but it's highly unlikely they'll join Stoke.
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Post by cocknepott on May 25, 2010 15:40:09 GMT
jones or cole are a millions times better than zigic.
fwiw cole got something like 8 goals in his first 12 or 15 games before getting injured. he was never properly fit after returning from that injury.
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Post by coggy on May 25, 2010 15:44:13 GMT
jones or cole are a millions times better than zigic. fwiw cole got something like 8 goals in his first 12 or 15 games before getting injured. he was never properly fit after returning from that injury. I know and i agree but we won't sign either of them unfortunately. Have a word your end for us mate and bring us Cole in
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2010 15:45:01 GMT
And I'm not sure Jones "would walk into the Mama role" either. People's descriptions about this mythical role seem to revolve around work rate (not completely convinced myself) and I'm therefore assuming people have forgotten just what an idle fecker KJ is. Perhaps the use of the term "walk into the Mama role" has more resonance than I first thought! I can't agree with you there fella. Whenever I've seen him on the box for Sunderland this season he's been playing very deep, just in front of the midfield, doing an awful lot of running around. He's also won virtually everything in the air and as well as winning the ball, he's actually directed it on with purpose rather than just aimlessley heading the ball anywhere. Indeed I'm struggling to think of another player in the Prem (at any price) who could successfully do that (specific) role for us. I'd suggest he's a completely different player now to the one that we had previously. Maybe so, Paul. I certainly don't doubt his heading ability for one minute, perhaps he has improved his overall work rate then mate? I agree that he would probably be the best option who is based in England though.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 15:45:21 GMT
(I have a feeling this won't be sad baby's only outing this window ...) ah
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2010 15:48:18 GMT
I'd prefer Cole and Jones over Zigic too - but they'd want the same wages as Zigic and they'd cost twice as much.
And have we really got a cat in hell's chance of getting either?
If not (and it looks like not), I think Zigic's CV is impressive enough to make him the most viable foreign target.
9 goals in 09/10 at Valencia in a meagre 1500 minutes on the pitch, at an average of a goal every 170 minutes. 25 in 51 in his only extended runs in La Liga over 2 seasons at Santander. 16 in 40 for a very solid national team. And a mad scoring record in the admittedly awful Serbian league.
But, crucially, he was a player that Pulis presumably scouted and rated enough to seriously go for in 2008.
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Post by we8tangoman on May 25, 2010 15:51:27 GMT
andyhar that sad baby pic is a pisser.i nearly chocked on my snickers 4 laughing.cheered me up after hearing all this about the z man going brum,cheers pal.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2010 15:52:37 GMT
I'd prefer Cole and Jones over Zigic too - but they'd want the same wages as Zigic and they'd cost twice as much. And have we really got a cat in hell's chance of getting either? If not (and it looks like not), I think Zigic's CV is impressive enough to make him the most viable foreign target. 9 goals in 09/10 at Valencia in a meagre 1500 minutes on the pitch, at an average of a goal every 170 minutes. 25 in 51 in his only extended runs in La Liga over 2 seasons at Santander. 16 in 40 for a very solid national team. And a mad scoring record in the admittedly awful Serbian league. But, crucually, he was a player that Pulis presumably scouted and rated enough to seriously go for in 2008. Agreed mate, I think the cost of the overall package for either KJ or Cole may be too rich for our blood.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 15:53:24 GMT
What's Nugent up to these days?
Or Dean Crowe?
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Post by march4 on May 25, 2010 15:57:34 GMT
It is breaking no confidences to say that one of the people to whom Brum owe a lot of money have given the club until the end of the month to pay the interest on the loan for the last few months or he will exercise his right to take control of the club.
This only happened to Pompey when the club was in the final stages of its meltdown.
So, the big question is; how on Earth are they being allowed to spend any money by the Prem??
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Post by apb1 on May 25, 2010 15:58:41 GMT
I'd prefer Cole and Jones over Zigic too - but they'd want the same wages as Zigic and they'd cost twice as much. And have we really got a cat in hell's chance of getting either? If not (and it looks like not), I think Zigic's CV is impressive enough to make him the most viable foreign target. 9 goals in 09/10 at Valencia in a meagre 1500 minutes on the pitch, at an average of a goal every 170 minutes. 25 in 51 in his only extended runs in La Liga over 2 seasons at Santander. 16 in 40 for a very solid national team. And a mad scoring record in the admittedly awful Serbian league. But, crucially, he was a player that Pulis presumably scouted and rated enough to seriously go for in 2008. I'd agree with that. The big question is... Does La Liga experience make him a sophisticated ball playing Mama, or a lazy foreigner who won't put in a shift? That's the gamble, but given we are loaded, and have gambled similar amounts on Whitehead, and Kitson, why don't we just go for it? Worth it just to piss Brum off.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on May 25, 2010 16:01:24 GMT
It is breaking no confidences to say that one of the people to whom Brum owe a lot of money have given the club until the end of the month to pay the interest on the loan for the last few months or he will exercise his right to take control of the club.This only happened to Pompey when the club was in the final stages of its meltdown. So, the big question is; how on Earth are they being allowed to spend any money by the Prem?? have you got any links for that March? Not being funny but you've stated that pretty much every club in the league are on the brink of going bust in the past couple of years and whilst that is by no means unfeasable, you've hardly been prophetic.
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Post by watcher on May 25, 2010 16:01:57 GMT
The fact is that tone wont buy foreign unless proven in the prem.He went for arismendi last year and got his fingers burned so I would doubt if he ever does it again.
However,zigic is the type were after so we shall see next year if brum are taking a risk or wether tones made a blunder.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2010 16:05:15 GMT
The fact is that tone wont buy foreign unless proven in the prem.He went for arismendi last year and got his fingers burned so I would doubt if he ever does it again. However,zigic is the type were after so we shall see next year if brum are taking a risk or wether tones made a blunder. Which domestic target man do you think we'll go for then, assuming we're rolling up the drawbridge at Dover? It's looking like Heskey or bust.
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Post by march4 on May 25, 2010 16:05:33 GMT
It is breaking no confidences to say that one of the people to whom Brum owe a lot of money have given the club until the end of the month to pay the interest on the loan for the last few months or he will exercise his right to take control of the club.This only happened to Pompey when the club was in the final stages of its meltdown. So, the big question is; how on Earth are they being allowed to spend any money by the Prem?? have you got any links for that March? Not being funny but you've stated that pretty much every club in the league are on the brink of going bust in the past couple of years and whilst that is by no means unfeasable, you've hardly been prophetic. I have been spot on Banksy every single time!!!! I would not have stated the above unless I was certain. Money is the one thing in life I know about (obviously I know nothing worthwhile about football). Believe me when I say that what happened at Pompey is small fry compared to what is going on at Brum.
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Post by banburypotter on May 25, 2010 16:08:09 GMT
I will say one thing, Brum don't piss about in these windows. As soon as the last ball is kicked at the end of the season they are off and at it ! presumably because they don't mind paying wages to players in the close season, whereas i believe we won't. and for that reason that is why we do our deals late, and possibly why it helps us to remain in a good position financially. plus from the outside looking in, it looks like we have a certain amount of personnel who do not know the benefits of getting players in early to enable them to gel with the squad in readiness for the new season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 16:08:51 GMT
The fact is that tone wont buy foreign unless proven in the prem.He went for arismendi last year and got his fingers burned so I would doubt if he ever does it again. However,zigic is the type were after so we shall see next year if brum are taking a risk or wether tones made a blunder. Which domestic target man do you think we'll go for then, assuming we're rolling up the drawbridge at Dover? It's looking like Heskey or bust. Is it just me that thinks our whole transfer policy is pretty pathetic? Unless TP proves me wrong and signs some foreign talent. What I don't understand is why we don't loan them first and then sign them if they do well.
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Post by stokie25 on May 25, 2010 16:09:28 GMT
He's too lightweight for Stoke, Deano'd power him off the ball every time Didn't want the ugly twat anyway (Did really )
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Post by stokecityscott on May 25, 2010 16:10:47 GMT
What is everyone going on about Cole for? He wont come too us no chance.
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Post by mailman44 on May 25, 2010 16:13:35 GMT
Zigic? I rate him. Check out some of this youtube goals and tell me that he does not have some talent. Smart by Brum to try and sign him now, after the WC he will be going for quite a few quid more. Tone could have really gotten his money's worth out of him too. Are we going to try and get Milijas if Lenny goes to Wolves?
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Post by watcher on May 25, 2010 16:17:17 GMT
I think heskey,I hear he wants it done before the world cup but i cant see that happening.Failing that it will be the kwj saga all over again.dont rule out carroll tho.
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