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Post by stokecity4eva on Apr 22, 2010 16:50:46 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted before but ive just found it on the stoke 606 site and thought it was quite interesting is this how we do things in training???
This may be of interest. These are extracts from Steve Claridge's latest autobiography called 'Beyond the Boot Camps'. Apologies for the length of the post
"Like Bally, Pulis never seemed to like me much as player either. Now there was a lot about him and his regime that was good. His teams were well organised and disciplined with two banks of four in defence and midfield and I did like the fact that he named his team on a Thursday so you could prepare properly on a personal level, as well as collectively as a side by working on set plays and team patterns.
Eight years on he would bring it all together and get Stoke City into the Premier League, so fair play to him, but he was fortunate to have a chairman in Peter Coates who was willing to invest and give him big money for wages and transfers. In return Pulis produced a big, direct and physically intimidating side. He could do it at Stoke. The problem for him at Pompey was that this big, direct and intimidating approach did not square with my game nor that of the players he had inherited.
... The first day, Kemp marched out onto the training ground and started lining up cones in the corners of the pitch as watched and wondered what he was doing. We soon found out. We were instructed to boot the ball into those coned areas and chase, the theory being that you turn defences, put them under pressure and force corners and throw-ins in their territory, then make something happen from the set-piece. It was just the same as Stoke would be doing nearly ten years later, although they would be doing so with better players.
If you did something wrong in training, Pulis would have you on your stomach doing press-ups. People resented it. Most of us were seasoned professionals and didn't need this kind of childish coaching. He had a reputation for having a temper on him and he did lose it once or twice, although there is nothing wrong with that if it is appropriate.....
... but I didn't believe in Pulis, his methods or his tactics. It was like the good old, bad old days at Cambridge United under John Beck and to me it was the sign of a limited manager.
The approach was basic. Defenders, for example, were urged to bypass the midfield and put the ball into the channels for strikers to chase and force corners, free-kicks and throw-ins, which could then be launched into the penalty box. It was all about second-phase possession and certainly not about building from the back, puling sides around, using movement and width, as I liked, to create openings. In my view, you would be too predictable with the Pulis method.........
.... Pulis came up with a scheme whereby he wanted us to be able to run a marathon in a week. So it was running for one hour on the first day, then upping it by 15 minutes every day. It was boring and often chaotic"
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Post by alster on Apr 22, 2010 16:59:06 GMT
Don't really think it tells us anything about Pulis' footballing philosophies that we were not already acutely aware of. Some Love it, some hate it , many just think its a price worth paying.
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Post by rigsby on Apr 22, 2010 17:17:14 GMT
"..boring and often chaotic" - Just about sums up Steve Claridges weak stabs at punditry.
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Post by walrus on Apr 22, 2010 17:21:42 GMT
I think what comes through very strongly here is the sense that TP is very much the man in charge when it comes to training and footballing matters.
Some players (Abdoulaye, Rory etc.) seem to love it, others (Tuncay) can't seem to stomach it. That might be why we're always so careful in trying to get the right characters as well as the right players.
I see it as a positive thing that in this day of foreign owners, powerful directors of football and expectant, easily bored chairman we have a manager given the sovereignty to run the footballing side the way he wants and a chairman that's happy to let him do so.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Apr 22, 2010 17:23:16 GMT
Claridge is an astute pundit and spot on.
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Post by rigsby on Apr 22, 2010 17:24:34 GMT
Claridge is an astute pundit and spot on. Of course he is, how stupid of me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 17:26:39 GMT
Fancy Mr Grimsdale appearing on a thread slagging the manager off now there's a shock.
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Post by gilberto on Apr 22, 2010 17:29:13 GMT
is it me or is there a little bit of resentment there that the so-called 'basic' approach has got pulis to where he is now yet claridge is a failed manager of weymouth fc. ;D
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 17:29:34 GMT
Claridge is an astute pundit and spot on. I like Claridge but like most pundits he just couldn't cut it in management.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 22, 2010 17:43:09 GMT
But what I think is interesting is that 10 years on from his Portsmouth days and his training regime at Stoke with much more technically gifted people is still aimed at winning set pieces.
I do remember in TP's first spell of charge in the middle of the binary season he was asked why his football was so boring and he replied that given time and money his team would develop any play more expansively but in a dogfight its important to build a strong backbone.
Now I do think he has let the team play a bit more, especially away from home vs last season but Im sure he will never ever move from his ways in football management.
Imagine him in charge of Barcelona? Unless Messi has some unknown ability to throw the javelin Im sure he wouldnt get a look in in the first team for being too small and soft.
And im NOT criticising just pointing out TP will never change and fans expecting a revolution of new exciting playmakers may well be disappointed by the end of the summer.
I think TP might even start thinking we are becoming too easy to beat at home and might go back to his roots with even LESS flair players in the team
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 17:51:57 GMT
But what I think is interesting is that 10 years on from his Portsmouth days and his training regime at Stoke with much more technically gifted people is still aimed at winning set pieces. I do remember in TP's first spell of charge in the middle of the binary season he was asked why his football was so boring and he replied that given time and money his team would develop any play more expansively but in a dogfight its important to build a strong backbone. Now I do think he has let the team play a bit more, especially away from home vs last season but Im sure he will never ever move from his ways in football management. Imagine him in charge of Barcelona? Unless Messi has some unknown ability to throw the javelin Im sure he wouldnt get a look in in the first team for being too small and soft.
And im NOT criticising just pointing out TP will never change and fans expecting a revolution of new exciting playmakers may well be disappointed by the end of the summer. I think TP might even start thinking we are becoming too easy to beat at home and might go back to his roots with even LESS flair players in the team Don't be daft mate, Messi would be chasing flick ons from first signing, Sidibe, and making something out of nothing. Perfect Pulis player, a one man handful.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Apr 22, 2010 17:56:51 GMT
Ah, hello Fucktard.
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Post by actongatestokie on Apr 22, 2010 18:02:57 GMT
"The Pulis method". Slowly does it Steve, slowly does it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 18:03:56 GMT
Interesting stuff. No reason not to believe Claridge and he's been fairly even handed there I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 18:04:02 GMT
Grimsdale was you looking into the mirror when you said that?
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Post by salopstick on Apr 22, 2010 18:21:06 GMT
pulis is mourino without the transfer budget, yoyu know exactly what you are going to get
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 22, 2010 18:47:37 GMT
Don't really think it tells us anything about Pulis' footballing philosophies that we were not already acutely aware of. Some Love it, some hate it , many just think its a price worth paying. It's a bloody stupid way to treat flair players (I'm not including Claridge in that list) though and his record for pissing them off is uniquely bad. Does he still honestly do this school PE master press-ups shit??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2010 18:50:16 GMT
Step back in line Sal before You have Your head shot off!
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 18:57:25 GMT
Id say TP's record for getting the best out of players is uniquely good - well in this club's last 30 years anyway !
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 22, 2010 18:59:16 GMT
Id say TP's record for getting the best out of players is uniquely good - well in this club's last 30 years anyway ! Tuncay, for example??
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Post by actongatestokie on Apr 22, 2010 18:59:30 GMT
No he doesn't do the press ups nonsense anymore. He didn't do it in his first spell here and he certainly doesn't do it now. I've watched a fair few training sessions over the years and I can honestly say I've never seen him lose his rag either. A few f's and blinds here and there but definitely no naked towel wrestling, head buts and press ups under the influence of a highly charged cattle-prod.
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Post by northstokie on Apr 22, 2010 19:05:38 GMT
Grimsdale was you looking into the mirror when you said that? ;D
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 19:22:49 GMT
Were you waiting for fucktard?
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 19:34:16 GMT
Tuncay's problem not Pulis' ?? How about Fuller, Delap, Higginbottom, Lawrence, Faye, etc etc etc who have all played the best football of their career under TP. A further thought ...Steve Claridge says it so its true ?
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Post by markscfc72 on Apr 22, 2010 19:34:19 GMT
He was only saying on Sunday on Goals on Sunday something along the lines of that he will have to keep evolving as a manager as the club does and he said if that means doing things like having defenders dropping short to collect off the keeper and playing it along the back a bit more then that's something we will have to do.
Whether or not you take any notice of Dave or not I dont know but he was telling us before that we would be trying to bring in more creative players and more passers of the ball but it has to be done slowly and that is obviously why it is so important to remain in the league for the next few years.
Its obviously no use going straight from what was so successful last season to the Arsenal way in the click of the fingers!!
In TP we trust I say
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 19:48:21 GMT
Ah but that would involve patience mark (and a bit of gratitude for what TP has done) .... thats not an option for a few of the numpties !
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Post by markscfc72 on Apr 22, 2010 19:50:13 GMT
well if we have had to wait 23 years to get into the top division im sure we can wait a few years until we are playing a bit better football (not that I am the slightest bit bothered how we play as long as we are winning games and picking up points)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2010 19:53:22 GMT
well if we have had to wait 23 years to get into the top division im sure we can wait a few years until we are playing a bit better football (not that I am the slightest bit bothered how we play as long as we are winning games and picking up points) Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't.
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 22, 2010 20:00:20 GMT
Tuncay's problem not Pulis' ?? How about Fuller, Delap, Higginbottom, Lawrence, Faye, etc etc etc who have all played the best football of their career under TP. A further thought ...Steve Claridge says it so its true ? Is the basic rule of thumb here that every player who does well does so as a result of the manager getting the best out of them, and everyone who doesn't is a fuckwit who no-one could motivate? Seems typically one-eyed and shortsighted to me. Puils methods are very clear. Anyone who doesn't think that they are bound to piss the more talented players off is barmy in my opinion. In terms of it being a price worth paying, at this stage I think it is, but we do need to start to evolve at some point. There are signs of development already, Ethers presence being an example, so we will have to see what time brings.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 20:02:15 GMT
If they wont, they wont - I'd rather lose them than TP....and I imagine Peter Coates is not too fussed either.
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