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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 20:03:51 GMT
well if we have had to wait 23 years to get into the top division im sure we can wait a few years until we are playing a bit better football (not that I am the slightest bit bothered how we play as long as we are winning games and picking up points) Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't. Don't be afraid. There is only one that matters and he seems well chuffed with things.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 20:04:12 GMT
No Mr Magic its just the counter arguement to the thought that TPs management style is flawed ie. its worked more often than it hasnt.
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 22, 2010 20:06:58 GMT
No Mr Magic its just the counter arguement to the thought that TPs management style is flawed ie. its worked more often than it hasnt. I think it is flawed Wuzza. I think he pisses some players off, and puts some players off joining the club. BUT - he also has got us well organised, he's bought in a couple of very very good defenders that I'd not have expected us to be able to attract, and more importantly he has got us to mid-table in the Premier League. Nothing is black and white on this one.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 22, 2010 20:09:37 GMT
Well Steve Claridge is a 1st class arrogant dickhead, just the player you'd expect TP to not get on with.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 20:09:42 GMT
No Mr Magic its just the counter arguement to the thought that TPs management style is flawed ie. its worked more often than it hasnt. I think it is flawed Wuzza. I think he pisses some players off, and puts some players off joining the club. BUT - he also has got us well organised, he's bought in a couple of very very good defenders that I'd not have expected us to be able to attract, and more importantly he has got us to mid-table in the Premier League. Nothing is black and white on this one. We are attracting better players than at any other time in my Stoke supporting life. It looks like we are looking to attract even better. It's fairly black and white.
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 22, 2010 20:14:42 GMT
I think it is flawed Wuzza. I think he pisses some players off, and puts some players off joining the club. BUT - he also has got us well organised, he's bought in a couple of very very good defenders that I'd not have expected us to be able to attract, and more importantly he has got us to mid-table in the Premier League. Nothing is black and white on this one. We are attracting better players than at any other time in my Stoke supporting life. It looks like we are looking to attract even better. It's fairly black and white. Not for me it isn't - sorry if that does not sit well with you. No-one is perfect and no-one is beyond question in my view. He gets stuff right, he gets other stuff wrong. Simple as that. We have had better players than some of the current bunch in my lifetime though.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 22, 2010 20:18:16 GMT
Definitely not saying he is perfect and the right man for every player ...but which manager is ? What he is is the right man for a club of our resources to do the best it possibly can and to gradually get stronger and stronger. Its not about individual players its about the collective good ....jeez Ive turned into Stalin !!
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Post by french toast on Apr 22, 2010 20:20:32 GMT
Id say TP's record for getting the best out of players is uniquely good - well in this club's last 30 years anyway ! Tuncay, for example?? show me an example of when tuncay has ever been consistant hes always been hit and miss,
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Post by french toast on Apr 22, 2010 20:22:12 GMT
I guess admin missed this???
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Apr 22, 2010 20:24:54 GMT
Question for waiting for waddo
where are Portsmouth at the mo?
do you hear what other so called experienced pundits say about Tony Pulis?
did you honestly expect us to get up the the Prem and start playing like any of the top 6 any time soon? regardless of the manager??
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 20:24:55 GMT
We are attracting better players than at any other time in my Stoke supporting life. It looks like we are looking to attract even better. It's fairly black and white. Not for me it isn't - sorry if that does not sit well with you. No-one is perfect and no-one is beyond question in my view. He gets stuff right, he gets other stuff wrong. Simple as that. We have had better players than some of the current bunch in my lifetime though. No apologies needed Magic, I'm in a good place with my football club. Let's hope the summer sees a few more come in. Maybe some more internationals.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 20:28:23 GMT
I guess admin missed this??? Just his usual debating style.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 22, 2010 20:36:28 GMT
well if we have had to wait 23 years to get into the top division im sure we can wait a few years until we are playing a bit better football (not that I am the slightest bit bothered how we play as long as we are winning games and picking up points) Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't. At least 15,000 will - the rest will follow like sheep or go to Sky or Man u. If we end up like a Wigan or Bolton then so be it - we do not have the catchment area to attract 40,000 without the crap. Villa chap I know refuses to go any home matches but goes all away because he hates the happy clappy/moaning groaning brigade -he reckons half the away Villa following dont go to the home games. I have heard similar for Chelsea and Man U - where you have to admit they dont half bring a good vocal following I can relate to this re the last two season in the Prem and the total contrast between our away support and home support this year
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2010 20:41:44 GMT
Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't. At least 15,000 will - the rest will follow like sheep or go to Sky or Man you. If we end up like a Wigan or Bolton then so be it - we do not have the catchment area to attract 40,000 without the crap. Villa chap I know refuses to go any home matches but goes all away because he hates the happy clappy/moaning groaning brigade -he reckons half the away Villa following dont go to the home games. I have heard similar for Chelsea and Man you - where you have to admit they dont half bring a good vocal following I can relate to this re the last two season in the Prem and the total contrast between our away support and home support this year That's a bit of a shit attitude imo but it's one that I understand and can see. The next few years at this club will be massive.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 22, 2010 20:42:49 GMT
<adopts Duncan Bannatyne voice>
Well Steve, you have a totally sh** haircut. And for that reason, I'm out!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 22, 2010 20:48:45 GMT
At least 15,000 will - the rest will follow like sheep or go to Sky or Man you. If we end up like a Wigan or Bolton then so be it - we do not have the catchment area to attract 40,000 without the crap. Villa chap I know refuses to go any home matches but goes all away because he hates the happy clappy/moaning groaning brigade -he reckons half the away Villa following dont go to the home games. I have heard similar for Chelsea and Man you - where you have to admit they dont half bring a good vocal following I can relate to this re the last two season in the Prem and the total contrast between our away support and home support this year That's a bit of a shit attitude imo but it's one that I understand and can see. The next few years at this club will be massive. Aye -I agree - just pointing out the worst case scenario, which we are a long way from and that is still a damn sight better than 2 years ago
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Post by lew86 on Apr 22, 2010 20:54:12 GMT
Works though dunnit?
I agree with the most on here that it is a price worth paying, we're getting the job done and laying the foundations for our premiership identity.
As Pulis said himself, if you stand still, you'll get punished in this league. It wasn't a comment aimed at style but I can bet he will apply the same rule to it eventually, slowly.
From what I've seen in training, we were certainly well drilled but theres none of this dictatorial style training.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 22, 2010 21:20:01 GMT
well if we have had to wait 23 years to get into the top division im sure we can wait a few years until we are playing a bit better football (not that I am the slightest bit bothered how we play as long as we are winning games and picking up points) Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't. Judging from how we played in the first half at home last week, I don't think we will. TP is evolving as a coach and so is the team, if some folk on here can't see that then more fool them.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 22, 2010 21:35:36 GMT
we will win a cup within 2 years.
You heard it here first.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2010 21:37:18 GMT
Yeah but will the majority of Stoke fans wait? I have a fear that they won't. Judging from how we played in the first half at home last week, I don't think we will. TP is evolving as a coach and so is the team, if some folk on here can't see that then more fool them. We did play rather well. Until TP had a word with them at half time.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 22, 2010 21:38:25 GMT
Judging from how we played in the first half at home last week, I don't think we will. TP is evolving as a coach and so is the team, if some folk on here can't see that then more fool them. We did play rather well. Until TP had a word with them at half time. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2010 21:43:59 GMT
I think that we have played our best football when we pass it about a bit. I don't think TP has confidence in the team to do it though. I maybe wrong on that front but I can't see why he'd revert back to the more direct tactics when we do play so well when we are zipping it about. As You say the first half against Bolton was good football and we did it well, mixing lovely flicks and triangle with the direct stuff. God and only knows what changed in the second half but we did just hoof it and from there we lost.
We have a damn good team imo and one that can be trusted to pass it about a bit more. The middle ground (as ever) is needed.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 22, 2010 21:48:25 GMT
the whole press up thingy is a bit iffy
But
the whole wanting to run a Marathon is a good TP skill the amount of points we have gained form been able to run longer and faster then the other team over the past 3/4 seasons is a massive part of our sucess
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Post by bobon on Apr 22, 2010 22:19:15 GMT
the whole press up thingy is a bit iffy But the whole wanting to run a Marathon is a good TP skill the amount of points we have gained form been able to run longer and faster then the other team over the past 3/4 seasons is a massive part of our sucess Yet we seem to concede late goals, often losing points we shouldn't be losing. Is this stamina or a tactic that isn't working because it happens too often to be just one of those footballing things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 22:47:35 GMT
...Pulis plays two rows of four. Pulis plays the ball quickly to the front to turn defenses. Pulis works the channels looking for free kicks and throw-ins. Pulis has a strategy of creating dead-ball opportunities in the opposition half and then puts the ball in the box...
Holy shit Sherlock, you've lost none of your razor-sharp observation powers.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 22, 2010 23:02:26 GMT
Was it just me that read that, though 'yeah, that's exactly what we all know about Pulis' style of play already', thought that it's a rather efficient way of doing things, decided that I've been entertained by it all thus far and came to the conclusion 'what exactly is your point?'. We have a get out ball, play the ball into the channels, win a set piece and when we get the set pieces do everything we can to keep the ball in the opposition area.
Claridge basically calls himself a shirker, he couldn't be direct or physical, he couldn't adapt. In other words, he was a footballer with one string to his bow.
Regarding the business about his methods, press ups etc, I think that we've already heard TP saying how he's evolved as a coach, especially when he talks about Fuller. He was a pretty young coach then, was he not? He learns, he changes his methods.
I must say I'm a little biased because I've been graced with the presence of Tony, Peter and Denise today ;D
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 22, 2010 23:06:07 GMT
Im Steve Claridge I agree with whatever Manish says to me on the football league show. ;D
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 22, 2010 23:11:43 GMT
Was it just me that read that, though 'yeah, that's exactly what we all know about Pulis' style of play already', thought that it's a rather efficient way of doing things, decided that I've been entertained by it all thus far and came to the conclusion 'what exactly is your point?'. We have a get out ball, play the ball into the channels, win a set piece and when we get the set pieces do everything we can to keep the ball in the opposition area. Claridge basically calls himself a shirker, he couldn't be direct or physical, he couldn't adapt. In other words, he was a footballer with one string to his bow. Regarding the business about his methods, press ups etc, I think that we've already heard TP saying how he's evolved as a coach, especially when he talks about Fuller. He was a pretty young coach then, was he not? He learns, he changes his methods. I must say I'm a little biased because I've been graced with the presence of Tony, Peter and Denise today ;D I'm glad you ad mit it at least
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 22, 2010 23:28:40 GMT
Was it just me that read that, though 'yeah, that's exactly what we all know about Pulis' style of play already', thought that it's a rather efficient way of doing things, decided that I've been entertained by it all thus far and came to the conclusion 'what exactly is your point?'. We have a get out ball, play the ball into the channels, win a set piece and when we get the set pieces do everything we can to keep the ball in the opposition area. Claridge basically calls himself a shirker, he couldn't be direct or physical, he couldn't adapt. In other words, he was a footballer with one string to his bow. Regarding the business about his methods, press ups etc, I think that we've already heard TP saying how he's evolved as a coach, especially when he talks about Fuller. He was a pretty young coach then, was he not? He learns, he changes his methods. I must say I'm a little biased because I've been graced with the presence of Tony, Peter and Denise today ;D I'm glad you ad mit it at least ;D
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Post by ryouonthistrain on Apr 23, 2010 0:34:41 GMT
Claridge is that the scruffy so and so who used to run round shirt untucked socks right down to the bottom of his shin pads! Bet Tone took one look and thought i'll bash him into shape! imagine him telling Fuller to drop and give him ten or Matty for that instance.For Pulis football ethics see villa,chelsea under mouriniho and many other teams.The pundits call it a long pass when its chelsea if it stoke its a long ball.The long throw ins are affective with the right players on the pitch and why not have artillery and use it!
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