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Post by salopstick on Mar 5, 2010 21:33:09 GMT
To be totally fair FullerMagic, they are right. It is a snub and a massive kick in the balls to Shawcross. At the very least, we could have had a "I know he didn't mean it" type. For me, that is a very disappointing and equally disturbing statement from Ramsey. I know he's not going to be over the moon with Shawcross but bloody hell fire, it WAS an accident for christ sake. my exact thoughts cant go against his manager
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 21:35:53 GMT
fucking hell pugs...take a breath mate Nobody is saying that, but you have to accept that they aren't the exact words of a professional 19 year old footy player, given that they are Arsenal and that statement will be PR'd up to the hilt. Ramsey may have said about 7-8 of those words but none were going to vindicate Ryan. Get a grip mate
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 21:41:18 GMT
fucking hell pugs...take a breath mate Nobody is saying ,but you have to accept that they aren't the exact words of a professional 19 year old footy player, given that they are Arsenal and that statement will be PR'd up to the hilt. Ramsey may have said about 7-8 of those words but none were going to vindicate Ryan. Get a grip mate Where as the statement from Shawcross was all his own work eh? I've got a complete grip of the matter mate, unlike bleaters on here who can't let it drop that Arsenal won't say sorry to a player who broke one of their lads' legs. You can dress it up how you want but that is a fact - it's the other side of the coin to Wengers completely irrational comments.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 21:45:02 GMT
No pugs, it's 2 prem teams trying to find a common ground in PR terms and save 2 players from further media embarrassment. Ryan did nothing wrong in terms of his tackle, but Ramsey did nothing wrong in terms of his statement, given that the lad is a teenager, in hospital and out for the season. Our club has dealt with it, rightly or wrongly...let it go
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 21:46:49 GMT
No pugs, it's 2 prem teams trying to find a common ground in PR terms and save 2 players from further media embarrassment. Ryan did nothing wrong in terms of his tackle, but Ramsey did nothing wrong in terms of his statement, given that the lad is a teenager, in hospital and out for the season. Our club has dealt with it, rightly or wrongly...let it go Er, isn't that exactly my point?
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Post by stokemark on Mar 5, 2010 21:47:19 GMT
Listen to Wenger Pugs
He excuses Gallas and states that 'there was no intention to hurt the player' implying that it was the case that with Ryan. His comments today push me close to the edge - The man is a disgrace. As for Ramsey then he is simply a victim in more ways than one.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 21:51:22 GMT
no pugs, you suggested that the statement came from him and was very mature yet shawcross's was PR induced. You can't have it both ways. Ramsey was told what to say and so was Ryan...whatever Ramsey thinks about Ryan he will tell us eventually. Just don't abuse posters that don't agree with YOU
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 21:51:24 GMT
Listen to Wenger Pugs He excuses Gallas and states that 'there was no intention to hurt the player' implying that it was the case that with Ryan. His comments today push me close to the edge - The man is a disgrace. As for Ramsey then he is simply a victim in more ways than one. Like I said bird brain - Wengers completely irrational comments. Wengers a total arse, but so are many on here for berating a lad, who is lying in hospital with his leg screwed back together, for not saying sorry to a bloke who broke his leg.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 21:56:03 GMT
fucking hell, i give up
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 21:56:32 GMT
no pugs, you suggested that the statement came from him and was very mature yet shawcross's was PR induced. You can't have it both ways. Ramsey was told what to say and so was Ryan...whatever Ramsey thinks about Ryan he will tell us eventually. Just don't abuse posters that don't agree with YOU You've obviously had too much sherry on your cornflakes mate. I said it was a good statement on the whole, whoever wrote it - you were the one who said it was PR stuff and not written by him. I suggested that perhaps the one from Shawcross was the same. I don't know why we are arguing because I think we have a similar opinion on the matter. And stop using the rolly eyes thing you pompus prick
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Post by actongatestokie on Mar 5, 2010 21:59:25 GMT
Ramsey might only be 19, but there are people at that club that are a lot older and wiser than 19 and quite frankly, should know better.
There's one thing excusing him for his youthful naivety, but another to blissfully tell everyone how old he is, tell everyone how scripted his statement he is without one thought of the person or person(s) who have scripted the damn thing.
As already said, Delap had his leg broke by a hard tackle. No moaning and groaning from either player or manager. The club stood by the player and gave him a permanent contract and honoured their word, despite not knowing if he would make a full recovery.
This supposed knee jerk reaction by supporters is nothing compared to what Wenger has said and it certainly NOT the opposite end of the scale to what he is doing and saying.
If Shawcross had gone in with one iota of malice then there would be, rightly, no support for him whatsoever. What has gone on in certain parts of the media is nothing short of a disgrace. The rate at which the Franny Jeffers incident has been dug up and twisted is, quite frankly, shocking and incorrect in every sense of the word. It's bang out of order and is devised for one thing and one thing only, to twist the viewpoint and minds into a frame of mind that is anti-Stoke and pro-Arsenal. Its a complete shithouse of a trick and one of the oldest in the book. Denial by diversion.
At the end of the day it's called decency. One club has it, one club hasn't.
If this is the kind of gentlemans game that Wenger sees as the future, where accidents go punished and are spitefully shunned and spun around into the victims favour regardless, then he can keep it because I want no part of it whatsoever.
I certainly do not wish to pay £400+ a year to be a part of it.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Mar 5, 2010 22:03:58 GMT
It is apparent that by and large people have tried not to deflect any blame onto Ramsey because of the injury he suffered.However in view of his lack of recognition that this was clearly an accident it should be made very clear that in many respects Ramsey was as much if not more at fault for the collision that Shawcross. That is evident from the photiograph that was on this site earlier in the week which shows Ramsey flying into the tackle a few yards away from the ball with both feet well into the air.A clearly dangerous tackle in itself,and one which would often result in a red card. Indeed if Bendtner had not pulled Shawcross back he may well have got to the ball first and ended up being the one who was injured.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 22:06:33 GMT
Ramsey might only be 19, but there are people at that club that are a lot older and wiser than 19 and quite frankly, should know better. There's one thing excusing him for his youthful naivety, but another to blissfully tell everyone how old he is, tell everyone how scripted his statement he is without one thought of the person or person(s) who have scripted the damn thing. As already said, Delap had his leg broke by a hard tackle. No moaning and groaning from either player or manager. The club stood by the player and gave him a permanent contract and honoured their word, despite not knowing if he would make a full recovery. This supposed knee jerk reaction by supporters is nothing compared to what Wenger has said and it certainly NOT the opposite end of the scale to what he is doing and saying. If Shawcross had gone in with one iota of malice then there would be, rightly, no support for him whatsoever. What has gone on in certain parts of the media is nothing short of a disgrace. The rate at which the Franny Jeffers incident has been dug up and twisted is, quite frankly, shocking and incorrect in every sense of the word. It's bang out of order and is devised for one thing and one thing only, to twist the viewpoint and minds into a frame of mind that is anti-Stoke and pro-Arsenal. Its a complete shithouse of a trick and one of the oldest in the book. Denial by diversion. At the end of the day it's called decency. One club has it, one club hasn't. If this is the kind of gentlemans game that Wenger sees as the future, where accidents go punished and are spitefully shunned and spun around into the victims favour regardless, then he can keep it because I want no part of it whatsoever. I certainly do not wish to pay £400+ a year to be a part of it. I agree with most of that. What I don't agree with is people on here calling a young lad all sorts of vile names on the back of a statement days after having his leg shattered. In my world that is far from decent. As for Stoke City, I believe the club have acted magnificently and have said so on here.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 22:15:17 GMT
pugsley mate, i think you started the animosity calling posters knobs and knuckle dragging morons as well as anticipating that a 'moronic fuckwitted bellend' would suggest his leg was broken before the tackle, so don't try and retract your comments as though people who question you are pissed. Whether we agree or not doesn't give you the authority to slate posters for disagreeing
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 5, 2010 22:18:09 GMT
Bravo for Pugsley! *claps hands* We get this kind of unadulterated myopic drivel on here: It is apparent that by and large people have tried not to deflect any blame onto Ramsey because of the injury he suffered.However in view of his lack of recognition that this was clearly an accident it should be made very clear that in many respects Ramsey was as much if not more at fault for the collision that Shawcross. That is evident from the photiograph that was on this site earlier in the week which shows Ramsey flying into the tackle a few yards away from the ball with both feet well into the air.A clearly dangerous tackle in itself,and one which would often result in a red card. Indeed if Bendtner had not pulled Shawcross back he may well have got to the ball first and ended up being the one who was injured. And then Arsenal make a carefully edited official statement on Ramsey's behalf which thanks Glenn Whelan and Stoke's medical staff and the kid gets called a knob and a twat. Just amazing.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2010 22:21:35 GMT
pugsley mate, i think you started the animosity calling posters knobs and knuckle dragging morons as well as anticipating that a 'moronic fuckwitted bellend' would suggest his leg was broken before the tackle, so don't try and retract your comments as though people who question you are pissed. Whether we agree or not doesn't give you the authority to slate posters for disagreeing The animosity was started when blokes on here started calling Ramsey a knob etc. I'm not retracting anything - I stick by it all. And don't lecture me on what authority I have or don't have, I'll slate anyone I want, especially moronic fuckwitted bellends who believe Ramsey had it coming.
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Post by shrimp on Mar 5, 2010 22:21:40 GMT
fucking hell pugs...take a breath mate Nobody is saying that, but you have to accept that they aren't the exact words of a professional 19 year old footy player, given that they are Arsenal and that statement will be PR'd up to the hilt. Ramsey may have said about 7-8 of those words but none were going to vindicate Ryan. Get a grip mate you really sound like a bloke..do u have multiple log ins?....oh and anyone who slags fergie off on here should grow some balls...and grow up..
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Post by northstokie on Mar 5, 2010 22:22:13 GMT
it's a question of class and Arsenal don't have any...
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 22:27:07 GMT
the fact that you and shrimp agree on on hypocrisy where abuse is dished out tells me all i need to know pugs You are as bad as lawrie if you can throw expletives out and not see the ridicule you bring on yourself. Lawrie embarrassed himself but then so did you. I'll give you my ST shrimp if you can even spell it ps. we all know it's you on shrimps log in JB
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Post by Trubritt on Mar 5, 2010 22:27:49 GMT
oh dear!! oh dear!! oh dear!! the silence is deafening
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Post by shrimp on Mar 5, 2010 22:37:32 GMT
the fact that you and shrimp agree on on hypocrisy where abuse is dished out tells me all i need to know pugs You are as bad as lawu spend all ur tirie if you can throw expletives out and not see the ridicule you bring on yourself. Lawrie embarrassed himself but then so did you. I'll give you my ST shrimp if you can even spell it ps. we all know it's you on shrimps log in JB SHOCK HORROR..YOU GO TO GAMES! cos u spend all ur time brown nosing on here...oh and shrimp aint a gloryhunter like u cos u fancy a player........oh and he;s been home and away since the 70's and has more of stoke in him than you and your adorations for the pretty guys...u wanna shag! ur quite sad really...... wanna be wag
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 22:39:03 GMT
oh dear...what an embarrassing post
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Post by shrimp on Mar 5, 2010 22:41:57 GMT
oh dear...what an embarrassing post yeh your full of self obsessed shit..you couldnt be more up the mods arses on here than wenger giving an honest interview
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 5, 2010 22:44:37 GMT
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Post by isaaccox on Mar 5, 2010 22:50:37 GMT
Don't give her any back shell, she'll act the victim again, herself brown nosing to admin and then run off again.
Stay on that shitty manc board you gloryhunter.
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Post by shrimp on Mar 5, 2010 22:56:03 GMT
Don't give her any back shell, she'll act the victim again, herself brown nosing to admin and then run off again. Stay on that shitty manc board you gloryhunter. sad pathetic twat....er why are u all up ad fayes arse?.... u cant take honest chat!....u cyber sexing?...saddo
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Post by hudson2greenhoff on Mar 5, 2010 23:00:22 GMT
It is apparent that by and large people have tried not to deflect any blame onto Ramsey because of the injury he suffered.However in view of his lack of recognition that this was clearly an accident it should be made very clear that in many respects Ramsey was as much if not more at fault for the collision that Shawcross. That is evident from the photiograph that was on this site earlier in the week which shows Ramsey flying into the tackle a few yards away from the ball with both feet well into the air.A clearly dangerous tackle in itself,and one which would often result in a red card. Indeed if Bendtner had not pulled Shawcross back he may well have got to the ball first and ended up being the one who was injured. It was interesting to me that, during his press conference, Wenger was asked what were Ramsey's thoughts on the challenge. Guess what, he completely swerved the question. That would suggest to me that Ramsey had a different opinion to Wenger on the incident.
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Post by shrimp on Mar 5, 2010 23:00:51 GMT
the fact that you and shrimp agree on on hypocrisy where abuse is dished out tells me all i need to know pugs You are as bad as lawrie if you can throw expletives out and not see the ridicule you bring on yourself. Lawrie embarrassed himself but then so did you. I'll give you my ST shrimp if you can even spell it ps. we all know it's you on shrimps log in JB wow ur clever.....
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Post by isaaccox on Mar 5, 2010 23:02:24 GMT
Don't give her any back shell, she'll act the victim again, herself brown nosing to admin and then run off again. Stay on that shitty manc board you gloryhunter. sad pathetic twat....er why are you all up ad fayes arse?.... you cant take honest chat!....u cyber sexing?...saddo I'm sticking up for a fellow stokie against a sad, lonely, man united, gloryhunting cockhead.You only support them because they are your only source of success. And no, i won't go on webcam for you.
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 5, 2010 23:04:31 GMT
I actually think shawcross snub says all we need to know, and i'm taking it as a good thing (sort of). Like people have said, he can't exactly make his manager look a bigger twat than he's made himself look and risk his arsenal future by admitting shawcross was in the wrong but he COULD have gone down the same path as wenger and slammed Ryan for the tackle which he hasn't.
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