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Post by henryshand on Nov 22, 2009 20:57:12 GMT
OK the performance today was poor, VERY poor, but the mark of a professional in any walk of life is that you get the job done no matter what life throws at you and by any measure our club is being run in a VERY professional manner at the moment. Amateur cyber pundits can have an opinion, however I can only assume they unlike myself have not witnessed over the last two decades journeymen footballers fold to the likes of Bury, Chester, Nuneaton, Blythe Spartans, Telford and Port f***ing Vale !!! While wearing the Red and White. Say what you like about Pulis and I don`t particularly like the guy`s persona, BUT he got the job done when virtually the whole crowd were against him. If the boo boys want to go back to the likes of Gigg Lane and Spotland and VILE park then go ahead force out Pulis you will get your wish sooner than you imagine. Well done super tone highest league placing a quarter of a century !!!!  |
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Post by gibby1409 on Nov 22, 2009 21:02:28 GMT
Well Said Henry!
It was poor today, but Blythe Spartans, local "Derbies" against Maccelsfield, losing 4-0 away at Rotherham, need I go on!!
We have some such a long way, and we have to realise we still have a long long way to go if we are going to get back to where we were in the 70's.
I think a comparitive Team in the Prem today, who would reflect what our Standing was back then, might be Villa? Gives us an idea of how far we still have to go though!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2009 21:03:41 GMT
Can't we debate a poor performance then?  Shut the board down now! |
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Post by fentonstokie on Nov 22, 2009 21:04:46 GMT
30+ million spent on the squad????
I think we should be performin better than that at home regardless of where we've come from in the last 23 years
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Post by gibby1409 on Nov 22, 2009 21:05:50 GMT
Bayern
It is a debate? I just think Henry is putting things in perspective?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2009 21:08:29 GMT
gibby-to me it's tantamount to saying look where we were, don't discuss that we were bad because we've been worse. We know!
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 22, 2009 21:10:23 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 22, 2009 21:11:19 GMT
If that's a direct dig at me (which I'm assuming it is from the thread title)...don't you dare start the "i was there at Macclesfield and I bet you weren't" bullshit with me. I've witnessed all the shit that we've had to endure for nearly 25 years of my life, and I'd bet that most people who post on here have been going far longer than the last year or so.
What our recent success doesn't mean though is that I or anyone else should feel compelled to perform a non-stop 24-7 wankathon because we're in such a good league position. We're supporters...we want the best for our team, because we CARE...that's what makes us scrutinise performances and debate the ins and outs of formations and team selections for more hours than is probably healthy...because we want the team to be doing as well as it realistically can be.
Just sitting there and clapping like sealions isn't what being a football supporter is about.
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Post by henryshand on Nov 22, 2009 21:12:20 GMT
We can debate by all means, but to boo your team when they are occupying their highest league position in decades is quite frankfully childish and foolish. Such behaviour does not merit the likes of Faye and Sorenson in the team. Do your remember Bamber, Ellis, KEITH SCOTT !!!!! Thats what you will get if Pulis goes. We might not like him as a person and I believe several of the players do not like him , BUT and it is a big BUT they play for him and RESPECT him. Perhaps the boo boys should do likewise.
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Post by bash62 on Nov 22, 2009 21:13:09 GMT
last season we drew with pompey and west ham now we have beat them both that will do for me not the best display but look at wigan today ?
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Post by gibby1409 on Nov 22, 2009 21:14:48 GMT
Bayern I agree, the first half in particular was toss! But my point is that let's be patient? And I'm trying to say that me, you, and many other's have lived through much darker times. I think today, that we beat a poor team, who won't finish bottom, and might just get out of the bottom three. Plus we have lifted our expectations so much with our Home Record last season, it's dissapointing frustrating, call it what you will, when we don't steamroller teams we think we should beat? And yes, I was saying "Look Where We Were! |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 22, 2009 21:16:35 GMT
This is what frustrates me about some of rimmers...they read every criticism of Pulis as "Pulis out", which is utter bollocks.
Nobody in their right mind would want that...but he simply has to change some of his ideas...because we won't be anywhere near "we're 9th FFS" if he doesn't...I'd bet my testicles on that.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 22, 2009 21:16:49 GMT
last season we drew with pompey and west ham now we have beat them both that will do for me not the best display but look at wigan today ? We also drew at Liverpool and beat Hull away. Not quite as simple as all that is it debs. |
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Post by slangking on Nov 22, 2009 21:18:30 GMT
After we lost at Hull, we had them saying we were right in the middle of a relegation battle? It isn't worth listening to these harbingers of doom who have been predicting Pulis' downfall for as long as I can remember.
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Post by trebor63 on Nov 22, 2009 21:20:22 GMT
What our recent success doesn't mean though is that I or anyone else should feel compelled to perform a non-stop 24-7 wankathon because we're in such a good league position. We're supporters...we want the best for our team, because we CARE...that's what makes us scrutinise performances and debate the ins and outs of formations and team selections for more hours than is probably healthy...because we want the team to be doing as well as it realistically can be. Just sitting there and clapping like sealions isn't what being a football supporter is about. I don't think he's asking for a 24-7 wankathon and debate is fine but debate gets stiffled by the boring PHW plonkers who must spend half their miserable little lives thinking of new angles to have a pop at us from! Personally I heard John Acres tonight (I never usually hear the phone in after the match) and he summed up how I feel I like TP and personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone BUT I wish he'd pick Lawrence Tuncay Fuller and Whelan in the same team week in week out. But how can you really argue when he keeps winning with his 'lesser' team? Maybe, and this is a long shot, but maybe TP knows more than us message board freaks who watch one match a week and never have to put our necks on the line! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2009 21:21:10 GMT
Bayern I agree, the first half in particular was toss! But my point is that let's be patient? And I'm trying to say that me, you, and many other's have lived through much darker times. I think today, that we beat a poor team, who won't finish bottom, and might just get out of the bottom three. Plus we have lifted our expectations so much with our Home Record last season, it's dissapointing frustrating, call it what you will, when we don't steamroller teams we think we should beat? And yes, I was saying "Look Where We Were! I'm being patient, I didn't boo today. But if we play like that on a regular basis at home it will only get worse. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 22, 2009 21:25:55 GMT
What our recent success doesn't mean though is that I or anyone else should feel compelled to perform a non-stop 24-7 wankathon because we're in such a good league position. We're supporters...we want the best for our team, because we CARE...that's what makes us scrutinise performances and debate the ins and outs of formations and team selections for more hours than is probably healthy...because we want the team to be doing as well as it realistically can be. Just sitting there and clapping like sealions isn't what being a football supporter is about. I don't think he's asking for a 24-7 wankathon and debate is fine but debate gets stiffled by the boring PHW plonkers who must spend half their miserable little lives thinking of new angles to have a pop at us from! Personally I heard John Acres tonight (I never usually hear the phone in after the match) and he summed up how I feel I like TP and personally I wouldn't swap him for anyone BUT I wish he'd pick Lawrence Tuncay Fuller and Whelan in the same team week in week out. But how can you really argue when he keeps winning with his 'lesser' team? Maybe, and this is a long shot, but maybe TP knows more than us message board freaks who watch one match a week and never have to put our necks on the line! The evidence from last season, when playing the midfield that most of us want to see now (and did so for months before Pulis actually picked it), would suggest that perhaps we're not all that daft though trebor. Pulis' current line-up freakishly won a game in which we were dominated at Spurs and only beat Pompey and West Ham when he brought Liam Lawrence on. It's not good enough to carry on being lucky all season. |
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Post by gibby1409 on Nov 22, 2009 21:27:56 GMT
We will get better. This is the first wobble we've had this year, and I think the confidence has been low. I moan, but I don't boo, I've seen so much Real Shit over the years, and now I'm a bit older, I fookin refuse to put myself through the pain! I think we need at least a couple more years in the Prem, this will fill the coffers, and attracts better Players, then we can really push on. And then I think we can, moan like fook if we aren't making the kind of progress we would like! |
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Post by jacka118 on Nov 22, 2009 21:42:05 GMT
I like this thread!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2009 21:49:17 GMT
We will get better. This is the first wobble we've had this year, and I think the confidence has been low. I moan, but I don't boo, I've seen so much Real Shit over the years, and now I'm a bit older, I fookin refuse to put myself through the pain! I think we need at least a couple more years in the Prem, this will fill the coffers, and attracts better Players, then we can really push on. And then I think we can, moan like fook if we aren't making the kind of progress we would like! You see I don't think it is. We've been pretty poor for long peroods in most home games bar Sunderland and Chelsea where we were heroic. We seem to have gone on the defensive and I don't get why. We have good players that we know can win at home playing a good mixed game that is entertaining. And it wasn't just the new fans moaning today, most of the crowd were moaning. The fans aren't daft, we know we're better than that. And we know why were shite in the first 60 minutes. People are getting pissed off with team selections and in the past few games and weeks it is showing. It's been a concern of mine for months ;D |
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Post by serpico on Nov 22, 2009 21:56:45 GMT
This is what frustrates me about some of rimmers...they read every criticism of Pulis as "Pulis out", which is utter bollocks. The nail has been struck upon it's head, spot on. |
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Post by growler on Nov 22, 2009 22:30:38 GMT
I don't want TP to go, I just want him to be a bit more flexible in the way he approaches games, but Henry's remarks are stupid. Does he really think that there is no other manager in the world of football who could take on Stoke City and if TP was forced out tomorrow we would inevitably plummet down the leagues?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 22, 2009 22:36:04 GMT
Trebor (and others),
from my vantage point, the rimmers very rarely say anything other than "we're 9th". There is no debate at all, none whatsoever.
The PHW's as they are called are more than probably folk like me: watched us for donkeys years all over the country, seen plenty of shit, indebted to TP etc for where we are - BUT LIKE TALKING ABOUT AND DISCUSSING JUST HOW WE CAN IMPROVE EVEN MORE.
ffs, the rimmers don't allow that. They certianly can't debate or be rational about it. Not ONE person i know wants Pulis out, but how the f*** can anyone not at least have doubts about his selections on a consistent basis?
If we can't discuss that then this messageboard needs closing down and shut all the f***** pubs too, as we might as well just watch the game, go home and go to bed.
some of the rimmers need to either grow up or form some structured arguments and opinions.
Or should I just fuck off up the vale after 34 years of watching us?
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Post by growler on Nov 22, 2009 22:44:12 GMT
Actually Bunny we might as well all just buy a playstation game as apparently football is only about accumulating points.
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Post by slangking on Nov 22, 2009 22:46:54 GMT
Mind you Bunny does reckon we are in a relegation dog-fight, let's debate it shall we? Honest to god, how can you debate with people who are simply pushing an agenda and will say absolutely anything to achieve their ends?
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agree with much of that, but I think calling Tommy poor is harsh. I'm not convinced he's as good as some stokies make out, but he's been excellent value for us.
He does look shaky though in recent games.
We are in the relegation mix, no matter what anyone says.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 22, 2009 22:58:38 GMT
Not aimed at you bayern but is "Mama is wank", "Collins is wank", "Huth is wank", "Delap is wank", "Diao is wank", "Whitehead is wank" which seem to be the themes of a number of recent threads on here, really having a debate about a poor performance?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 22, 2009 23:08:00 GMT
AGSF,
nice to see you stalking my posts. Perhaps I should do the same come May. I sincerely hope I don't have to, but for as shit a season Hull are having and the stick Brown is getting, they were one result behind us yesterday.
Our performances have been relegation-like over the last month, despite fluking a win at Spurs. I am delighted to see us on 19 points, but it's been more luck than judgement with regards to team selection and tactics at times.
I have no agenda apart from wanting us to firstly win. then I want us to win well and entertain a bit. No matter what the result I always look to areas where we can improve.
You have been on this board offering wind ups for years to anyone who doesn't tickle the gaffers testicles. It's you with the agenda chief.
Feel free to also trawl through dozens of Sentinel articles I've done in recent years extolling the virtues of Mr Pulis. But you won't will you, because that would mean you are wrong. Totally and utterly and that doesn't fit your agenda, does it?
I still don't think we are out of the relegation mix yet. There, copy and paste that fucker for your personal pleasure.
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Post by rambo61 on Nov 22, 2009 23:18:47 GMT
Surely no one who went to the match today can be happy with either the performance or the team selection.Pulis needs to wake up to the fact that he cant just play his favourites and fuck off to the rest of us.The player of the day today was Wilco but will he play next week?? Only Pulis knows. ???
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Post by Potter_Mouth on Nov 22, 2009 23:22:21 GMT
Can't we debate a poor performance then? Shut the board down now! How many goals did we concede today? |
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Post by slangking on Nov 22, 2009 23:28:46 GMT
Don't flatter yourself with the 'stalking', I just remember reading that shat because it fuct me off, though I can fully understand your not wanting to be reminded of it. Just to add a touch of reality we are actually 7 points ahead of Hull, how you can equate us to them is beyond me and Brown is under pressure due to the results over the whole year not just this season. I would say the fact you have an agenda is proved by your reference to a 'flukey' win at Spurs, what an absolute joke. I really do welcome you bringing this back to the top come May. AGSF, nice to see you stalking my posts. Perhaps I should do the same come May. I sincerely hope I don't have to, but for as shit a season Hull are having and the stick Brown is getting, they were one result behind us yesterday. Our performances have been relegation-like over the last month, despite fluking a win at Spurs. I am delighted to see us on 19 points, but it's been more luck than judgement with regards to team selection and tactics at times. I have no agenda apart from wanting us to firstly win. then I want us to win well and entertain a bit. No matter what the result I always look to areas where we can improve. You have been on this board offering wind ups for years to anyone who doesn't tickle the gaffers testicles. It's you with the agenda chief. Feel free to also trawl through dozens of Sentinel articles I've done in recent years extolling the virtues of Mr Pulis. But you won't will you, because that would mean you are wrong. Totally and utterly and that doesn't fit your agenda, does it? I still don't think we are out of the relegation mix yet. There, copy and paste that fucker for your personal pleasure. |
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