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Post by avishotair on Mar 7, 2012 9:02:53 GMT
With my Vagrant following neighbour. Thought I would offer a little bit of financial support to our poorer neighbours. Wont be doing that again in a hurry. Saw a new white Mercedes convertible enter the players car park. Thought it may be royalty visiting to lend a hand. No out gets Mark Richards according to my neighbour. Poor Vale? I dont think so.
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Post by djh on Mar 7, 2012 9:15:01 GMT
Were they still singing anti-Steino songs?
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Post by york stokie on Mar 7, 2012 9:20:34 GMT
He won't own that car though, they get unbelievable rental deals through the PFA.
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Post by avishotair on Mar 7, 2012 9:21:43 GMT
Were they still singing anti-Steino songs? There was loads of grunting going on. Thought Id turned up at a retards convention instead of Vile Park. Oh, hold on a second............... |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Mar 7, 2012 9:23:16 GMT
He won't own that car though, they get unbelievable rental deals through the PFA. Was going to say the same. Ryan Lowe used to drive a Bentley when he played for Crewe! |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 9:23:42 GMT
With my Vagrant following neighbour. Thought I would offer a little bit of financial support to our poorer neighbours. Wont be doing that again in a hurry. Saw a new white Mercedes convertible enter the players car park. Thought it may be royalty visiting to lend a hand. No out gets Mark Richards according to my neighbour. Poor Vale? I dont think so. So on that basis you're assuming that Vale have millions stashed away somewhere? Pfft. Marc (not Mark) Richards has been around a bit and has previously had much better paid jobs at Blackburn, Northampton and Barnsley, amongst others. He took quite a cut to sign for the Vale and he's never been flash with his money in the past. So he's got a nice car (if it is his) - so what? Good lad is Marc. |
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Post by keasie1863 on Mar 7, 2012 9:51:47 GMT
Unbelievable,more fool you for setting foot in that shit hole,when their own fans couldn't be arsed to turn up.5100,they don't deserve a club.I heard Mr tideswell on talksport before the game saying that there were at least 2000 stay away supporters who would now come back,so where were they then.bullshit.
You just don't go and support your hated rivals,fucking pisses me off.
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Post by vamborools on Mar 7, 2012 10:02:34 GMT
Bet they booed the ref
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Post by stokhe on Mar 7, 2012 10:20:47 GMT
Unbelievable,more fool you for setting foot in that shit hole,when their own fans couldn't be arsed to turn up.5100,they don't deserve a club.I heard Mr tideswell on talksport before the game saying that there were at least 2000 stay away supporters who would now come back,so where were they then.bullshit. You just don't go and support your hated rivals,fucking pisses me off. true mate,i wouldnt give vale a penny of my money,deluded,bitter and twisted muppets,the lot of em.  |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 7, 2012 10:29:34 GMT
It's one thing going to ''the Vale'', it's another ADMITING to it.......hang your head in shame!!!  |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 10:38:55 GMT
OK I admit it. Like some of the older posters on here I used to go to both Stoke AND Vale on alternating Saturdays. Stoke because they were my team and the Vale? Well for a bit of a laugh and a lads day out TBH when there wasn't much else to do on Saturdays in the 70's.
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Post by macmozzer on Mar 7, 2012 10:41:18 GMT
i wouldn't give vale the steam off my shit,hope that clears up my feelings on the matter!
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Post by andylgr on Mar 7, 2012 10:46:22 GMT
I was listening to radio stoke last night and it was a love in for the vale fans, talking about the atmosphere and the fact that over 5,000 turned up to support their club. On top of that you had fans ringing in patting themselves on the back about how good their support was last night and the pride they showed. The ironic thing is that those fans that stayed away for the last 18 months are in part responsible for the huge loss in earnings for the club. Ultimately those 2 campaigns, starve them out and black and gold have contributed to them going into administration and probably cost them a good chance of getting promoted. Idiots.
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 10:52:27 GMT
I was listening to radio stoke last night and it was a love in for the vale fans, talking about the atmosphere and the fact that over 5,000 turned up to support their club. On top of that you had fans ringing in patting themselves on the back about how good their support was last night and the pride they showed. The ironic thing is that those fans that stayed away for the last 18 months are in part responsible for the huge loss in earnings for the club. Ultimately those 2 campaigns, starve them out and black and gold have contributed to them going into administration and probably cost them a good chance of getting promoted. Idiots. I think the two campaigns you talk about may have had a small effect on the club financially but there's no way they would amount to the £4m being bandied about as Vale's total debt liabilities. If anything I'm surprised they managed to hold out this long without additional investment or some kind of financial restructuring. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 10:53:09 GMT
Unbelievable,more fool you for setting foot in that shit hole,when their own fans couldn't be arsed to turn up.5100,they don't deserve a club.I heard Mr tideswell on talksport before the game saying that there were at least 2000 stay away supporters who would now come back,so where were they then.bullshit. You just don't go and support your hated rivals,fucking pisses me off. Well said!! Obviously these people going watch them aren't stoke fans! |
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Post by Pirate on Mar 7, 2012 10:59:37 GMT
If the Vale cease to exist then who would everyone hate instead?
I have been a Stokie all my life & have no particular love for the Vale but i think it is a sad day when any clubs teeters on the brink of extinction, after all, it could have been us a few years ago.
I would hate for us to turn into a bunch of " don't give a shit about the rest of the leagues, only the bigger clubs matter " brigade like the bin dippers for example.
You don't have to love or even like the Vale to see that its football in general that is suffering when clubs go down the pipe. i no they probably wouldn't give us the shit from there shoes, but come on lads, we are better than that.
We have a local rival, a derby game ( as rare as it is ) & that is part of what makes our sport great, i for one would be sad to see them go & don't feel the need to direct hatred to a club that are not even on the same planet as us both sportingly & financially.
We should also ask ourselves, would Sir Stan want the Vale to fold?
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Post by andylgr on Mar 7, 2012 11:06:04 GMT
I was listening to radio stoke last night and it was a love in for the vale fans, talking about the atmosphere and the fact that over 5,000 turned up to support their club. On top of that you had fans ringing in patting themselves on the back about how good their support was last night and the pride they showed. The ironic thing is that those fans that stayed away for the last 18 months are in part responsible for the huge loss in earnings for the club. Ultimately those 2 campaigns, starve them out and black and gold have contributed to them going into administration and probably cost them a good chance of getting promoted. Idiots. I think the two campaigns you talk about may have had a small effect on the club financially but there's no way they would amount to the £4m being bandied about as Vale's total debt liabilities. If anything I'm surprised they managed to hold out this long without additional investment or some kind of financial restructuring. Very true but clubs like Vale rely on fans turing up to keep cashflow going, and a shortfall of say 1000 fans off every home game at £20 a pop would of at least kept the wolf from the door for a while longer had those fans turned up and supported their team. Especially at a time when it seems as though on the pitch they werent doing too badly. |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 11:14:37 GMT
I think the two campaigns you talk about may have had a small effect on the club financially but there's no way they would amount to the £4m being bandied about as Vale's total debt liabilities. If anything I'm surprised they managed to hold out this long without additional investment or some kind of financial restructuring. Very true but clubs like Vale rely on fans turing up to keep cashflow going, and a shortfall of say 1000 fans off every home game at £20 a pop would of at least kept the wolf from the door for a while longer had those fans turned up and supported their team. Especially at a time when it seems as though on the pitch they werent doing too badly. Possibly - but in this area and in this economic climate I think your estimate of an additional 1000 through the gate might be pushing it. It might have just delayed the inevitable but how the hell did a club with their turnover manage to incur £4m of debt without the alarm bells sounding ages ago? |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Mar 7, 2012 11:14:49 GMT
Anybody questioning a Stoke fan's support of The Potters simply because they went to watch Port Vale play wants their head looking at. So fucking what.
Fair play to you avishotair.
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 11:17:50 GMT
Anybody questioning a Stoke fan's support of The Potters simply because they went to watch Port Vale play wants their head looking at. So fucking what. Fair play to you avishotair. Well said Sir. Why do these maggots want to force their will and mindset on someone else? |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 7, 2012 11:19:28 GMT
If the Vale cease to exist then who would everyone hate instead? I have been a Stokie all my life & have no particular love for the Vale but i think it is a sad day when any clubs teeters on the brink of extinction, after all, it could have been us a few years ago. I would hate for us to turn into a bunch of " don't give a shit about the rest of the leagues, only the bigger clubs matter " brigade like the bin dippers for example. You don't have to love or even like the Vale to see that its football in general that is suffering when clubs go down the pipe. i no they probably wouldn't give us the shit from there shoes, but come on lads, we are better than that. We have a local rival, a derby game ( as rare as it is ) & that is part of what makes our sport great, i for one would be sad to see them go & don't feel the need to direct hatred to a club that are not even on the same planet as us both sportingly & financially. We should also ask ourselves, would Sir Stan want the Vale to fold? Pretty neutral towards the Vale to be honest, despite any close experience of most of them being negative. But then again, we have some tools ourselves, as does any club. What you have to think is - Stoke-on-Trent is the smallest English city to support 2 professional football clubs - and those clubs have been round for a long time between them. If one dies, it leaves a hole in the area and the lives of the fans that support it. There's probably some snappy Zen one-liner for this, but sometimes, instead of taking the same attitude as your enemy ("F*ck em they wouldn't help us"), it's better to actually rise above it and prove you are a better person by helping them. Yes, they have some idiots I know, but empty vessels and all that. What about the many normal fans who just want to watch their team on a Saturday and get on with life - like most of us? It's down to them now anyway - the stay away campaigns have backfired in some respects and only by turning up and putting cash in the coffers can they keep their heads above water. From the outside, it's a shame that a 10 point deduction will put them mid-table - outside the play-offs and outside any chance of maybe getting promoted to a division with some bigger clubs and bigger paydays. No wonder Micky Adams sounded so down about the whole thing. |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 11:44:40 GMT
If the Vale cease to exist then who would everyone hate instead? I have been a Stokie all my life & have no particular love for the Vale but i think it is a sad day when any clubs teeters on the brink of extinction, after all, it could have been us a few years ago. I would hate for us to turn into a bunch of " don't give a shit about the rest of the leagues, only the bigger clubs matter " brigade like the bin dippers for example. You don't have to love or even like the Vale to see that its football in general that is suffering when clubs go down the pipe. i no they probably wouldn't give us the shit from there shoes, but come on lads, we are better than that. We have a local rival, a derby game ( as rare as it is ) & that is part of what makes our sport great, i for one would be sad to see them go & don't feel the need to direct hatred to a club that are not even on the same planet as us both sportingly & financially. We should also ask ourselves, would Sir Stan want the Vale to fold? Pretty neutral towards the Vale to be honest, despite any close experience of most of them being negative. But then again, we have some tools ourselves, as does any club. What you have to think is - Stoke-on-Trent is the smallest English city to support 2 professional football clubs - and those clubs have been round for a long time between them. If one dies, it leaves a hole in the area and the lives of the fans that support it. There's probably some snappy Zen one-liner for this, but sometimes, instead of taking the same attitude as your enemy ("F*ck em they wouldn't help us"), it's better to actually rise above it and prove you are a better person by helping them. Yes, they have some idiots I know, but empty vessels and all that. What about the many normal fans who just want to watch their team on a Saturday and get on with life - like most of us? It's down to them now anyway - the stay away campaigns have backfired in some respects and only by turning up and putting cash in the coffers can they keep their heads above water. From the outside, it's a shame that a 10 point deduction will put them mid-table - outside the play-offs and outside any chance of maybe getting promoted to a division with some bigger clubs and bigger paydays. No wonder Micky Adams sounded so down about the whole thing. Excellent post. Some people (on both sides) ain't happy unless they can hate something. Sad. |
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Post by Pirate on Mar 7, 2012 11:53:29 GMT
Pretty neutral towards the Vale to be honest, despite any close experience of most of them being negative. But then again, we have some tools ourselves, as does any club. What you have to think is - Stoke-on-Trent is the smallest English city to support 2 professional football clubs - and those clubs have been round for a long time between them. If one dies, it leaves a hole in the area and the lives of the fans that support it. There's probably some snappy Zen one-liner for this, but sometimes, instead of taking the same attitude as your enemy ("F*ck em they wouldn't help us"), it's better to actually rise above it and prove you are a better person by helping them. Yes, they have some idiots I know, but empty vessels and all that. What about the many normal fans who just want to watch their team on a Saturday and get on with life - like most of us? It's down to them now anyway - the stay away campaigns have backfired in some respects and only by turning up and putting cash in the coffers can they keep their heads above water. From the outside, it's a shame that a 10 point deduction will put them mid-table - outside the play-offs and outside any chance of maybe getting promoted to a division with some bigger clubs and bigger paydays. No wonder Micky Adams sounded so down about the whole thing. Excellent post. Some people (on both sides) ain't happy unless they can hate something. Sad. Agreed, so much anger in some folk!!! |
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Post by andylgr on Mar 7, 2012 11:54:29 GMT
Possibly - but in this area and in this economic climate I think your estimate of an additional 1000 through the gate might be pushing it. It might have just delayed the inevitable but how the hell did a club with their turnover manage to incur £4m of debt without the alarm bells sounding ages ago? I base that purely on the fact 5000 turned up last night and previously gates were 4000 or below. But thats exactly all it would of done, just delay the inevitable. But at least installments on loans could have been repaid and players wages for a little longer. But its a poor state to be in and that 4m is the total sum of their loans and the other outstanding bills, it only becomes a problem once they cant make the installment payments on them. On another note it just shows the huge gulf between the prem and clubs like vale. The prize money for finishing another 2 or 3 places higher in the premier league could probably buy the Vale outright! |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 11:59:23 GMT
Possibly - but in this area and in this economic climate I think your estimate of an additional 1000 through the gate might be pushing it. It might have just delayed the inevitable but how the hell did a club with their turnover manage to incur £4m of debt without the alarm bells sounding ages ago? I base that purely on the fact 5000 turned up last night and previously gates were 4000 or below. But thats exactly all it would of done, just delay the inevitable. But at least installments on loans could have been repaid and players wages for a little longer. But its a poor state to be in and that 4m is the total sum of their loans and the other outstanding bills, it only becomes a problem once they cant make the installment payments on them. On another note it just shows the huge gulf between the prem and clubs like vale. The prize money for finishing another 2 or 3 places higher in the premier league could probably buy the Vale outright! I haven't seen any actual breakdown of the figures but when £4m was mentioned my first reaction was disbelief. Some decent Championship clubs trading on an even keel might be struggling to carry that debt burden. We'll have to see what comes out in the wash - if it ever does! |
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Post by Onneravineet on Mar 7, 2012 12:11:00 GMT
Can you actually imagine being a Vale fan?
Well first of all it is bad enough being a Vale fan.
Then your rivals, who are from the same city are in the Prem. When only a few years ago (more than 12 years where did that go?) you were in a higher division!
Now you're £4 million pound in debt and Stoke had probably £20 million worth of players on the Bench on Satdee!
You can't even watch Match of the Day anymore for that bit of escapism but when you do your only comfort is commenting "I bet Stoke are on last...cuz they're wank"
Oh and you're local derby match is against Crwho!
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Post by Juan Kerzhoff on Mar 7, 2012 12:19:53 GMT
It's a shame we didn't don our colours and pack their ground out as the publicity and revenue generated would prove what a wonderful bunch the people of the potteries truly are. As apposed to the backward knuckle dragging mongoloids that the rest of the country accuse us of being.
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 12:24:14 GMT
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Post by boogaloo on Mar 7, 2012 12:34:22 GMT
With my Vagrant following neighbour. Thought I would offer a little bit of financial support to our poorer neighbours. Wont be doing that again in a hurry. Saw a new white Mercedes convertible enter the players car park. Thought it may be royalty visiting to lend a hand. No out gets Mark Richards according to my neighbour. Poor Vale? I dont think so. So you're saying that all the Vale players must sell all of their possessions to get the club they work for out of the shit? Fuck me. If you were chairman you'd have all the players driving around in these...  Fair play to you for going to the game, nice to see... |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 7, 2012 12:37:54 GMT
With my Vagrant following neighbour. Thought I would offer a little bit of financial support to our poorer neighbours. Wont be doing that again in a hurry. Saw a new white Mercedes convertible enter the players car park. Thought it may be royalty visiting to lend a hand. No out gets Mark Richards according to my neighbour. Poor Vale? I dont think so. So you're saying that all the Vale players must sell all of their possessions to get the club they work for out of the shit? Fuck me. If you were chairman you'd have all the players driving around in these... Fair play to you for going to the game, nice to see... Think the Merc is a contract hire/lease/loan jobby. I'll find out. I'll give his gran a ring. Back soon. |
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