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Post by citizensmith on Mar 7, 2012 21:18:32 GMT
I wouldn't piss in a bucket for them. On 1valefan it say's thanks to 5 Stokies who put £150 between them in a scrounging bucket! Never fuckin right i hope you would do the same if wolves ever found themselves in the same position
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 21:18:32 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others.
I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate.
And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too.
Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to.
The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont.
Grow up
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 7, 2012 21:21:54 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up pertinent, eloquent and succinct....bang on the money too!!! Nice one POOB x
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Post by citizensmith on Mar 7, 2012 21:23:51 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up vale are not a charity they are a business thats gone down hill. im clinging on to my business in the current climate but dont expect any help from anyone. there are far more worthy causes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 21:26:55 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up Get you, I think that you will find that technically Port Vale FC is not yet registered as a charity unless you are S-O-T Council that is, perhaps they could apply for a grant for helping special needs (sens) cases as there appear to be a lot of them that support the mighty fail.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 7, 2012 21:27:58 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up vale are not a charity they are a business thats gone down hill. im clinging on to my business in the current climate but dont expect any help from anyone. there are far more worthy causes. That is not what she was suggesting...you didn't need to abuse her because you aren't the recipent of council help to the tune of 2 million quid, hardly her fault is it? So therefore, she needn't 'grow up' as you suggested before you're quick edit
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Post by citizensmith on Mar 7, 2012 21:31:43 GMT
no it is not and neither would i expect my main competitors customers to give me any help either. unlike some on here. i edited before the bollocking off you by the way as i realised i was out of order.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2012 21:37:19 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up I am a football supporter and I feel an affinity with other football supporters. I think it is a terrible shame when football clubs come close to extinction because they are (almost) all institutions which have a huge amount of history and importance to communities and individuals. Individuals who, soap intolerance apart, are just like us - there but for the grace of God go we. It is somewhat different to some fucking high street chain store going bump. That said, I don't particularly care if people don't feel the same and would like to see them buried. I do object, though, to idiots telling people they are not "true Stokies" because they want to offer a 130+ year-old local football club some support in desperate times.
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Post by stokie25 on Mar 7, 2012 21:42:09 GMT
no im not and neither would i expect my main competitors customers to give me any help either. unlike some on here. i edited before the bollocking off you by the way as i realised i was out of order. you were out of order so it was an intelligent edit. In response to your post, i suspect no local business would be expected to help out a competitor, the difference here is that the City Council is, arguably, a non competitor but has a very vested financial interest in that club. The rights and wrongs of it could be debated to death, but as you said, they'll help a club with a veto to stop an investor (Mo Chaudry) but won't help local businesses...you have every right to make your voice heard on the issue.....just not to fellow stoke fans, in my opinion
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Post by citizensmith on Mar 7, 2012 21:51:31 GMT
no im not and neither would i expect my main competitors customers to give me any help either. unlike some on here. i edited before the bollocking off you by the way as i realised i was out of order. you were out of order so it was an intelligent edit. In response to your post, i suspect no local business would be expected to help out a competitor, the difference here is that the City Council is, arguably, a non competitor but has a very vested financial interest in that club. The rights and wrongs of it could be debated to death, but as you said, they'll help a club with a veto to stop an investor (Mo Chaudry) but won't help local businesses...you have every right to make your voice heard on the issue.....just not to fellow stoke fans, in my opinion nowhere on this thread have i said anything about stoke council helping out any business. my business is based in newcastle by the way. i said that i would not expect my main competitors CUSTOMERS to help my business out thats all. keep up ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 21:53:15 GMT
citizensmith... st9potter
If you could first of all point me to the bit where I'm saying that vale are a charity... and then if you could point me to the bit where I'm saying people should help vale out...
citizen - I really hope your business gets through, fair play to you. I assume though that you dont refuse custom from vale fans, or anybody who has ever used one of your competitors before? i also assume that if you did get in to difficulty, and you owed the bank some money, you'd want to discuss with them some agreement to see you continuing?
again, whatever people's opinions are, whether they went to a vale game or not, whether you want vale to go bust or dont, it does not warrant personal abuse.
Incidentally, I can imagine that the unwashed are looking at threads like this, seeing the personal vitriol being spouted between people and thinking '3 days before they play chelsea away in their 4th season in the prem, some of them are arguing amongst themselves over us'... I imagine, with all the troubles that they're having, they'll look on this and find it quite amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 21:57:25 GMT
Whatever people wish to do with their own money is nobody else's business, and certainly doesnt justify the pure abuse spouted by some towards others. I personally hope their poxy little club goes bust. I wouldnt piss on them if they were on fire. BUT, that doesnt mean that other people arent entitled, for one game, to go to watch them with a vale supporting mate. And nearly as infuriating are those that went and are telling folk who want them to go bump that they should have their heads in shame. Why? We all have our opinions, but it doesnt for one second have any impact on how much we support stoke. Did you go and buy a rake of stuff from Woolworths before that went bump in the hope that you could save it? How about buying loadsa stuff from La Senza...they're in a spot of bother too. Nobody has a right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose to spend their money to go watch a game. Nobody has the right to throw abuse at somebody because they chose not to. The world is full of troubled people struggling, far worse off than me. I havent got the time or money to help everybody, at all. I donate a bit of money each year, but there are many charities I ignore, that I dont know about, that i dont help. Does that make me scum for it? Should I hang my head in shame? No...but I'm not going to sit here and claim a moral highground because i donate some money to charity when others dont. Grow up I am a football supporter and I feel an affinity with other football supporters. I think it is a terrible shame when football clubs come close to extinction because they are (almost) all institutions which have a huge amount of history and importance to communities and individuals. Individuals who, soap intolerance apart, are just like us - there but for the grace of God go we. It is somewhat different to some fucking high street chain store going bump. That said, I don't particularly care if people don't feel the same and would like to see them buried. I do object, though, to idiots telling people they are not "true Stokies" because they want to offer a 130+ year-old local football club some support in desperate times. If you are right about institutions with large amounts of history how come the council were not there to bail out the likes of Wedgwood and Royal Doulton with public funds ?, or do you in some strange way belive Port Fail are of greater significance to these once great Stoke-on-Trent based/founded companys, it could have helped save thousands of jobs for the rate payers of the City.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 22:01:17 GMT
I am a football supporter and I feel an affinity with other football supporters. I think it is a terrible shame when football clubs come close to extinction because they are (almost) all institutions which have a huge amount of history and importance to communities and individuals. Individuals who, soap intolerance apart, are just like us - there but for the grace of God go we. It is somewhat different to some fucking high street chain store going bump.That said, I don't particularly care if people don't feel the same and would like to see them buried. I do object, though, to idiots telling people they are not "true Stokies" because they want to offer a 130+ year-old local football club some support in desperate times.You could also argue that some high street stores can have as much a role to play in communities as sports teams. Some people feel the same loyalty to certain high street stores. They, like Vale, like Stoke are all business, all answerable to HRH, and if they operate beyond their means will follow the same process. Whatever emotion, tribalism, affinity goes with them doesn't change that fact. and as for your last point, which was the key point behind my post - I completely agree. People's opinions, either way, dont justify the abuse. I personally would love to see vale go bump - but I'm not questioning in any way, shape or form yours or the original posters loyalty towards stoke.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2012 22:03:24 GMT
I am a football supporter and I feel an affinity with other football supporters. I think it is a terrible shame when football clubs come close to extinction because they are (almost) all institutions which have a huge amount of history and importance to communities and individuals. Individuals who, soap intolerance apart, are just like us - there but for the grace of God go we. It is somewhat different to some fucking high street chain store going bump. That said, I don't particularly care if people don't feel the same and would like to see them buried. I do object, though, to idiots telling people they are not "true Stokies" because they want to offer a 130+ year-old local football club some support in desperate times. If you are right about institutions with large amounts of history how come the council were not there to bail out the likes of Wedgwood and Royal Doulton with public funds ?, or do you in some strange way belive Port Fail are of greater significance to these once great Stoke-on-Trent based/founded companys, it could have helped save thousands of jobs for the rate payers of the City. I don't have the slightest interest in debating the history of funding at Stoke-on-Trent Council, nor their current involvement with the Vale.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2012 22:05:01 GMT
I am a football supporter and I feel an affinity with other football supporters. I think it is a terrible shame when football clubs come close to extinction because they are (almost) all institutions which have a huge amount of history and importance to communities and individuals. Individuals who, soap intolerance apart, are just like us - there but for the grace of God go we. It is somewhat different to some fucking high street chain store going bump.That said, I don't particularly care if people don't feel the same and would like to see them buried. I do object, though, to idiots telling people they are not "true Stokies" because they want to offer a 130+ year-old local football club some support in desperate times.You could also argue that some high street stores can have as much a role to play in communities as sports teams. Some people feel the same loyalty to certain high street stores. They, like Vale, like Stoke are all business, all answerable to HRH, and if they operate beyond their means will follow the same process. Whatever emotion, tribalism, affinity goes with them doesn't change that fact. and as for your last point, which was the key point behind my post - I completely agree. People's opinions, either way, dont justify the abuse. I personally would love to see vale go bump - but I'm not questioning in any way, shape or form yours or the original posters loyalty towards stoke. Yes, I realise you weren't poob. It was aimed at others on the thread.
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Post by citizensmith on Mar 7, 2012 22:05:06 GMT
citizensmith... st9potter If you could first of all point me to the bit where I'm saying that vale are a charity... and then if you could point me to the bit where I'm saying people should help vale out... citizen - I really hope your business gets through, fair play to you. I assume though that you dont refuse custom from vale fans, or anybody who has ever used one of your competitors before? i also assume that if you did get in to difficulty, and you owed the bank some money, you'd want to discuss with them some agreement to see you continuing? again, whatever people's opinions are, whether they went to a vale game or not, whether you want vale to go bust or dont, it does not warrant personal abuse. Incidentally, I can imagine that the unwashed are looking at threads like this, seeing the personal vitriol being spouted between people and thinking '3 days before they play chelsea away in their 4th season in the prem, some of them are arguing amongst themselves over us'... I imagine, with all the troubles that they're having, they'll look on this and find it quite amusing. admittedly this is all getting rather embarassing, we have sunk to a new level by backbiting at each other over their welfare. im sorry if ive abused any real stoke fan over recent days but in my opinion those who say they are stoke fans and then go up there and give em their financial support are not worth worrying about any more. they are probably vale fans on a wind up any way. cant believe i have fallen for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 22:05:19 GMT
Isn't this all getting a bit heavier than it needs to. Some people went to a football match. Whether they went because they just fancied taking in a football match, or whether it was to help out a business, or to show support to friends, what does it matter. No one died. No one got hurt. They spent their own money to do it. Why get so wound up?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 22:08:42 GMT
If you are right about institutions with large amounts of history how come the council were not there to bail out the likes of Wedgwood and Royal Doulton with public funds ?, or do you in some strange way belive Port Fail are of greater significance to these once great Stoke-on-Trent based/founded companys, it could have helped save thousands of jobs for the rate payers of the City. I don't have the slightest interest in debating the history of funding at Stoke-on-Trent Council, nor their current involvement with the Vale. How come you seem to have a comment about everything else to do with this debacle, Port Vale should be history in the same way that Beswick and Doulton are history, both played a bigger part in the everyday lives of the people of Stoke-on-Trent than PVFC ever have.
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Post by Davef on Mar 7, 2012 22:16:25 GMT
Isn't this all getting a bit heavier than it needs to. Some people went to a football match. Whether they went because they just fancied taking in a football match, or whether it was to help out a business, or to show support to friends, what does it matter. No one died. No one got hurt. They spent their own money to do it. Why get so wound up? That's right. As long as they had a bloody good shower when they got home, no harm done.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 7, 2012 22:23:26 GMT
I don't have the slightest interest in debating the history of funding at Stoke-on-Trent Council, nor their current involvement with the Vale. How come you seem to have a comment about everything else to do with this debacle, Port Vale should be history in the same way that Beswick and Doulton are history, both played a bigger part in the everyday lives of the people of Stoke-on-Trent than PVFC ever have. I don't have a comment about everything else! Apart from my own opinion about why I would not like to see them go bust and I think it's good that people are offering support. In fact, the only reason I posted was people suggesting it was somehow disloyal and not-true-Stokie-ish to do so - that I do object to.
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Post by mistersausage on Mar 7, 2012 22:24:31 GMT
along with the bitch thatcher ,i will laugh when they die! Bloody hell mate. Are you my long lost twin
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 7, 2012 22:56:03 GMT
Isn't this all getting a bit heavier than it needs to. Some people went to a football match. Whether they went because they just fancied taking in a football match, or whether it was to help out a business, or to show support to friends, what does it matter. No one died. No one got hurt. They spent their own money to do it. Why get so wound up? That's right. As long as they had a bloody good shower when they got home, no harm done. Wiping your feet when you exit the ground is also highly recommended. Any ideas on any subject matter for the next edition of the fanzine, Dave? I'm sure we must be really struggling for material!
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