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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 12, 2024 13:15:41 GMT
Given its June and the Euros haven't started yet, here's a question...
Who was worse for Stoke, Martin Carruthers, or Sam Vokes?
And for balance and positivity Who was better Shawcross or Huth for SCFC
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 12, 2024 14:18:55 GMT
Given its June and the Euros haven't started yet, here's a question... Who was worse for Stoke, Martin Carruthers, or Sam Vokes? And for balance and positivity Who was better Shawcross or Huth for SCFC For me vokes is the worst from memory Loved huth but shawcross for me but not much between them Shawcross played more so that gets my vote
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Jun 12, 2024 14:35:40 GMT
Given its June and the Euros haven't started yet, here's a question... Who was worse for Stoke, Martin Carruthers, or Sam Vokes? And for balance and positivity Who was better Shawcross or Huth for SCFC 7 million on Vokes?! We paid what for Carruthers 300/400K? He at least score a few and could move. Vokes was like a wheely bin without the wheels. Huth and Shawcross was a partnership - they both made each other a better player.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 12, 2024 14:44:00 GMT
Carruthers by a country mile. Tried his heart out but just wasn't very good.
Shawcross because of his longevity but his best period for us was alongside Huth. I'd rather view them as one if the best CB partnerships we have ever had rather than rivals.
A better call would be Shawcoss or Denis Smith. I'm going Denis.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 12, 2024 14:51:25 GMT
Mention of the Vokes..... Shawcross or Denis? The man from the Meir every time
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 14:51:56 GMT
Vokes way worse, given the relative contexts. At least the period Carruthers played in was a happy time. Nothing about that wretched Vokes season was good - and he couldn’t even score his fkin pennos.
Shawcross is a club legend, Huth a cult hero. But there’s a parallel universe where those roles are reversed and there’s no change in quality, I think it’s impossible to say who was “better”.
What about…. Crossley vs Simmo
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 12, 2024 14:59:26 GMT
Vokes way worse, given the relative contexts. At least the period Carruthers played in was a happy time. Nothing about that wretched Vokes season was good - and he couldn’t even score his fkin pennos. Shawcross is a club legend, Huth a cult hero. But there’s a parallel universe where those roles are reversed and there’s no change in quality, I think it’s impossible to say who was “better”. What about…. Crossley vs Simmo Like it. Crossley for me, felt like he single handedly dragged are arses out of the mess
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Post by pzstokie on Jun 12, 2024 15:16:41 GMT
Always thought carruthers was a free transfer from villa, maybe wrong though, either way he was was better than vokes, smith best centre back we've ever had.
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2024 15:28:08 GMT
Carruthers was worse and £300k wasn't small beer for us at the time Would be an appalling pair Neither in top 3 worst strikers I've seen though
Shawcross was better than Huth, fantastic pairing
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 12, 2024 15:34:01 GMT
Carruthers was a big part of the 95/96 resurgence. Bringing him in for Scott was such a relief. Pace. He could carry the ball forward and get into their half.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 15:48:21 GMT
Carruthers was a big part of the 95/96 resurgence. Bringing him in for Scott was such a relief. Pace. He could carry the ball forward and get into their half. I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2024 16:10:54 GMT
Carruthers was a big part of the 95/96 resurgence. Bringing him in for Scott was such a relief. Pace. He could carry the ball forward and get into their half. I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was Carrautgers missed so many chances, only player have ever seen go around the keeper and miss open goal twice splitting hairs, both appalling
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jun 12, 2024 16:37:28 GMT
Etherington or Bjarni?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 12, 2024 16:43:35 GMT
No idea, not old enough to have watched Carruthers and remember.
Shawcross was better for us.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 12, 2024 16:44:44 GMT
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 12, 2024 16:51:06 GMT
Shawcross the best
For as bad as Carruthers was, he occasionally looked useful for us so Id say Vokes was worst
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jun 12, 2024 17:08:26 GMT
Carruthers for sure
Shawcross if forced to choose but you will not get a bad word from me about Huth
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 12, 2024 17:31:56 GMT
Vokes was way worse, at least Carruthers was mobile
Ryan edges it for me, both immense for us
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Post by onionman on Jun 12, 2024 17:44:36 GMT
Carruthers was a big part of the 95/96 resurgence. Bringing him in for Scott was such a relief. Pace. He could carry the ball forward and get into their half. I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was Martin Carruthers is recent memory? I'm younger than I thought. I can remember it like yesterday, too. Carruthers, every week, running onto a slide-rule pass from Frank Soo or whoever and tamely hitting his shot at the keeper as I smoked on my pipe at ye olde Victoria Grounde.
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Post by maine on Jun 12, 2024 18:02:13 GMT
Onionman referred to Carruthers
'running onto a slide-rule pass from Frank Soo or whoever'
I'd be happy to time travel back, and would rather like to see MC connecting with 'whoever'-however ineffectively.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 12, 2024 18:27:41 GMT
I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was Martin Carruthers is recent memory? I'm younger than I thought. I can remember it like yesterday, too. Carruthers, every week, running onto a slide-rule pass from Frank Soo or whoever and tamely hitting his shot at the keeper as I smoked on my pipe at ye olde Victoria Grounde. Ugh. Bang to rights
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 12, 2024 20:16:23 GMT
Carruthers was worse and £300k wasn't small beer for us at the time Would be an appalling pair Neither in top 3 worst strikers I've seen though Shawcross was better than Huth, fantastic pairing abdoulaye faye wasagteat centre back for us as well
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 12, 2024 20:18:39 GMT
Carruthers was worse and £300k wasn't small beer for us at the time Would be an appalling pair Neither in top 3 worst strikers I've seen though Shawcross was better than Huth, fantastic pairing abdoulaye faye wasagteat centre back for us as well was a great centre back, sorry been on the whisky
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 12, 2024 20:30:29 GMT
Vokes and Huth!!!
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Post by stuammo on Jun 12, 2024 21:23:03 GMT
Simple really, best were Carruthers cos he actually tried Shawcross cos he’s just shawcross.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 12, 2024 22:20:34 GMT
Pericard or keith Scott would be a more realistic rival for Vokes.
Vokes made Sam Surridge look like Erling Haaland.
Shawcross over Huth; just.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 12, 2024 22:40:44 GMT
Huth was brilliant, which should only service to emphasise just how good Shawcross was, because he was streets ahead of Huth.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 13, 2024 1:14:07 GMT
Sorro or Bego?
Definite gnat's cock between them but can't say who was better.
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Post by pretzel on Jun 13, 2024 4:02:16 GMT
Even though it was a goal that the late Professor Stephen Hawkins could have scored, I'm going to have to give it to Sam Vokes for that late late winner against Sheffield Wednesday. Maybe it's my failing memory but I can't remember ever wanting to have Martin Carruthers' babies, even for the briefest moments in time.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2024 5:20:17 GMT
I don't get how there's any argument for Vokes being better? Carruthers scored 17 goals in two of our better 2nd division seasons in recent memory, finishing 10th and 11th, and then a few in the playoff season. Vokes scored eight one season, one the next and we finished bottom half both times. Plus the small matter that he cost us 8 million quid. All opinions but I think MC got the "fucksake" tag and we remember him as much worse than he was Martin Carruthers is recent memory? I'm younger than I thought. I can remember it like yesterday, too. Carruthers, every week, running onto a slide-rule pass from Frank Soo or whoever and tamely hitting his shot at the keeper as I smoked on my pipe at ye olde Victoria Grounde. And the Vic was heaving full, as it always was, with a raucous rolling roar, as it always was.
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