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Post by plummy on Feb 22, 2008 16:33:58 GMT
I'm reading the reason why Fulop has signed for us, and as far as I can tell its so he can get first team football to help his international career.
Bit harsh on Simmo?
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Post by Maccca100 on Feb 22, 2008 16:36:06 GMT
would be daft to drop simmo tomorrow, as fulop aint even looked at a stoke player never mind trained with them, but from Sunday YES
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Post by stokecityscott on Feb 22, 2008 16:38:47 GMT
I'm reading the reason why Fulop has signed for us, and as far as I can tell its so he can get first team football to help his international career. Bit harsh on Simmo? Not that harsh hes in a job what he gets paid for do, and if he aint doing it good enough he will be dropped, specially with £30m on the line for promotion |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2008 16:49:18 GMT
If Pulis think's the Goalkeeper has been the main cause of the relative collapse at the back in recent weeks then he's wrong.
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Post by tom1potter on Feb 22, 2008 16:52:28 GMT
i think Simo needs a kick in the backside! so hopefully the challenge of Fulop will do just that!
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Feb 22, 2008 16:57:36 GMT
Simmo has always been the same,its the defence that changed!
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Post by hanibal7 on Feb 22, 2008 17:15:07 GMT
If simmo gets injured would everybody think that hoult is the man.think the answer is no.maybe simmo has got some sort of injury that he has been playing on..dont judge a book by its cover and dont start being negative again.thought all that shit had gone and we have all put our trust in tp.believe him and trust him.premiership here we come.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:16:10 GMT
If fulop is better than simo, which he is.
GET HIM IN!
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Post by frasier37 on Feb 22, 2008 17:17:43 GMT
Like tom1potter says,
hopefully just the signing of Fulop will be enough to keep him on the ball.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 22, 2008 17:18:12 GMT
I think it would be crazy to drop Simmo for such a young keeper. OK Simmo's not exactly been in career-best form but it wasn't long ago he was in everyone's team of the Championship. He's also crucial to much-needed stability at the back.
I actually don't think he'll displace Simmo, I think he'll be on the bench in place of Hoult, who'll be off out on loan.
edit - oops just realised he's already gone!
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:20:27 GMT
If simonsen keeps conceding 2 a game. Can you keep him in??
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 22, 2008 17:21:24 GMT
Is that purely Simmo's fault?
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:23:03 GMT
Yep, he flaps when he comes out of the area and looks rooted when he doesn't  Fantastic shot stopper, probably the best in the league, but has struggled with everything else this year, even his kicking has been poor. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2008 17:23:08 GMT
I couldn't disagree more Corty!
Have you seen this Fullop? I have. I have seen him during his loan spell at Chesterfield (3 times), twice for Coventry and once for Leicester, both against us and for a bloke well over 6ft 4" he didn't seem to command his area well, his kicking was poor and v Coventry at their place he was beaten twice from over 25 yards out, from Taggart and Gally!
He may be a decent keeper he might not be, but Simmo has done little to be dropped. He had a dodgy spell over Christmas, was dropped, and has duly performed well since getting back in the team. Simmo is one of the best in the league, and if Fullop has been bought in to go straight into the side, then Pulis is hiding the failings of his 1.6m centre half who finds it impossible to win any kind of physical duel.
That is why we are conceding so many goals. Just look how the game on Friday changed in our favour when the took off Horsefield of all people. He mauled Cort for 50 minutes, and we took the initiative once he was subbed!
Cort is the problem where leaking goals are concerned, not Simmo! Having Pugh at full back doesn't help either!
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:24:19 GMT
Fulop guided leicester to the best defensive record in the league, and their defence , on paper, is pretty average at best.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:25:45 GMT
Thing is, tone isnt going to drop his 1.2 million centre half is he?
I can see where your coming from.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 22, 2008 17:27:01 GMT
Simmo guided us to the best defensive record in the league not long ago, which would suggest the problem lies elsewhere.
How many of the last 10 goals we've conceded have been Simmo's fault? As far as I can remember they've mostly been down to lapses in concentration or piss poor marking.
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Post by bst0ke on Feb 22, 2008 17:27:02 GMT
think about the times simo as kept us in games!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2008 17:27:27 GMT
How many games did he play in that spell? Pretty sure he was only there for a month!
We will have to wait and see, but dropping Simmo would be very very harsh in my opinion!
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:28:45 GMT
Why is Tone getting a keeper in then??
He knows the team better than any of us.
Hes kept us in games a lot of times, but so has cort and shawcross with some fantastic blocks and headers. 50-50 to blame????
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Post by bst0ke on Feb 22, 2008 17:33:52 GMT
i've never seen fulop to be honest so couldnt comment on him, therefore couldnt say if he was better than simo. all i can say is that simo as done a triffic job since been at stoke city.
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Post by nathan on Feb 22, 2008 17:36:09 GMT
Face it, SIOCH, the Cort/Shawcross combination isn't working.
Simmo, though not in the greatest of form, has been the saviour equally as much as he has been the villain. The problem lies elsewhere - in my opinion at the door of a CB whose magnificent goalscoring record covers up his defensive frailties.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:37:26 GMT
He has, and if starting tomorrow, the boothen should give him a massive reception to show their support for him!
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:39:17 GMT
I reckon it will do, we look more solid when one of either dicko or wilko play, we look more competitive in defence and it gives us a meaner edge, pugh's suspension could be a blessing in disguise, or it could not!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 22, 2008 17:43:58 GMT
I couldn't disagree more Corty! Have you seen this Fullop? I have. I have seen him during his loan spell at Chesterfield (3 times), twice for Coventry and once for Leicester, both against us and for a bloke well over 6ft 4" he didn't seem to command his area well, his kicking was poor and v Coventry at their place he was beaten twice from over 25 yards out, from Taggart and Gally! He may be a decent keeper he might not be, but Simmo has done little to be dropped. He had a dodgy spell over Christmas, was dropped, and has duly performed well since getting back in the team. Simmo is one of the best in the league, and if Fullop has been bought in to go straight into the side, then Pulis is hiding the failings of his 1.6m centre half who finds it impossible to win any kind of physical duel. That is why we are conceding so many goals. Just look how the game on Friday changed in our favour when the took off Horsefield of all people. He mauled Cort for 50 minutes, and we took the initiative once he was subbed! Cort is the problem where leaking goals are concerned, not Simmo! Having Pugh at full back doesn't help either! Dave, I know you can only take these testimonials from Leics fans at face value - but they're pretty impressive! I would have thought if we are willing to part with 1.5 for Howard we certainly would for Fulop!
We should sign him at all costs. Start from the back. He oozes confidence and the back 4 can be confident when he plays.
He is very good indeed and I would imagine he is worth 12pts a season. and thats quite alot for us at the moment, offload the garbage and get him in at all costs.
Whats the point of having a multi-millionaire owner if you cant splash the cash?, we all know Fulop is quality.
if we don't sign fulop i will shoot roy keane on sight. this is very bad news...
He's worth 2 Million IMO. GET HIM IN. He's also young so he'll last us years.
Imo Fulop should of been our first signing. What ever it cost's sign him please.
Come on Milan .... get the chequebook out ! Fulop has been the best keeper here for years !
£2m is perfectly fair for Fulop. I'd have been delighted but sunderland would have been daft to accept £1m. We should get the job sorted and move on.
I agree i would pay anything up to 3.0mill for him. Its not like were taking a risk on him as we know what hes capable of. Hes 24 so hes still young.
£2-2.5 million i'd say was a fair price. £3 million is a high price to pay for a goalkeeper but i don't think there is a better goalkeeper than him in the championship so hopefully holloway will still try and sign him.
Is £3m pounds too much for an international keeper who could possibly be worth double that in a couple of years? I'm not sure it is
We cannot afford to lose Fulop. We'd be even further in the shite right now if it wasn't for his performances!
If we can sanction spending £1.5m in a 31 year old Steve Howard who is only going to depreciate in value whilst he's here then there should be no problem spending £3m on a 24 year old (young for a GK) who is surely going to increase in value with regulat football under his belt.
I'm sure Sunderland would accept £2.5m anywayIf it means we use up our transfer budget then maybe we shouldn't have been in such a rush to pay out £1.5m for Howard. Fulop should have been a priority singning ahead of Howard!!
£3M is a bargain for a 24 year old international keeper who would repay that fee several times over in points saved.
If this comes off I wouldn't be surprised to see you go up and sign him permanently, if so, can we have Simonsen?
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Post by tazi on Feb 22, 2008 17:50:48 GMT
Not one from either Shawcross or Cort is a so called leader and it is this which is putting extra pressure upon our goalkeeper. You could perhaps say the same about Simmo but in all fairness both of our central defenders just do not have any kind of understanding between them and when it's in the heart of your defence then not only is that concerning but it could also possibly be our undoing in which up to yet has being a fantastic season.
Might i suggest to you Ryan that you take some kind of authority and show that you mean buisness by Sticking One On Cort's Head.
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Post by Stick It On Cort's Head on Feb 22, 2008 17:54:49 GMT
;D
Or vice versa, Griff is quiet aswell, wilko is the only "nutter" we have in our defence. Dicko is his twin.
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Post by tazi on Feb 22, 2008 17:59:09 GMT
In my opinion to have a leader in a central defensive position is invaluable because a fullback cannot and does not hold a defensive partnership together.
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Post by GrandStokie on Feb 22, 2008 18:18:36 GMT
you cant drop an experienced keeper at this stage of the season, look what happened when England did something similar against Croatia!! He's played a lot of games without a break and maybe a rest from the odd game may do him good, but to replace him outright is plain madness, he's a good keeper who can make crucial saves at the right times and has bundles of experience, I cant see Pulis doing a McLaren.
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Post by ianrb1 on Feb 22, 2008 23:35:17 GMT
I know very little about Fulop, but the fact is that Simmo has been in poor form for some time. He is not commanding his area, not collecting his crosses and we are vulnerable to the cross to the back stick and knockback.
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