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Post by OldStokie on Apr 7, 2009 7:41:12 GMT
It's when I read bile-inducing shit like this that I know why I'm a PHW. The worst thing that ever happened to Pulis was that he was worshipped by a sicko-frantic group of individuals who would do well in the Hitler Youth. To say that some of us were talking shite when we have witnessed some of the worst football I've ever seen at Stoke is utter rubbish. Whatever criticism he got was well-deserved: just as his achievements of late are worthy of praise.
OS.
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Post by lancer on Apr 7, 2009 8:07:09 GMT
You've got to question the ball circulation though You're dead right, mate. But the Rimmers turn a blind eye to that. ;D
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Post by lancer on Apr 7, 2009 8:14:21 GMT
Gary: Is football such a complicated and evolving game that ANY tactic becomes out of date. Surely the aim is to be successful by whatever means you are able. Our 'friends' in Smethwick have been taught this harsh lesson this season. Their manager has been praised in the media for sticking to his principles despite results, and for maintaining an honourable philosophy on how the game should be played. In my opinion, the guy is a complete idiot who all but guarenteed their relegation from the moment they were promoted with his stubborn refusal to learn the lessons that experience should have taught him. You play to your strengths and no-one has done that better than Stoke City this season. Pulis has a way of setting his teams out to compete with squads that are generally better and have cost much more to assemble. His career has been spent, mainly in the lower divisions, and until last season, he has rarely had money to spend. He signs players he believes he can trust and sends teams out to 'compete'. OK we can criticise his tactics away from home because our jobs don't depend on it, but none of us knows that a more adventurous set up away from home would have yeilded any more points (it's pure guesswork). He uses the type of player, and the tactics that work for him and have done over a good many years. He has taken Stoke City from the brink of the Third Tier to a fantastic season of competing with some of the very best (Embarrassing several along the way). At no stage of this season have I been embarrassed by my team (bet baggies fans wish they could say the same). As for having 'no personality' I think that's just plain insulting. I don't expect my manager to be a TV entertainer, I expect him to manage the players and get results and, on both counts, he scores. He could, of course be like Brown and grab the headlines at every given opportunity, bollock his players at a half-time sit in on the pitch. Then again he could hold press conferences to 'explain' to the media' that it's not actually results that count but the beautiful way you play the game. I know what I prefer! I doubt that we will ever see a sparkling team of footballing superstars under Pulis but we really do need to remember who and what we are. As long as he is manager I know that he will rely on the lessons that his years in the game have taught him and send out a team to 'compete' and I am happy to support him in that. He has given this Club, these fans and this City some pride back after decades in the wilderness. We won't 'dazzle' anyone with our football but we WILL compete with some of the very best and 'hold our own' If they are outdated tactics, they'll do for me. Smashing post mate. Totally agree with evrething you say.
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Post by riptide on Apr 7, 2009 8:19:35 GMT
Didnt / dont think he has any personality whatsoever and i still think his tactics are very out of date Yeah but most people know that you're a dick and a gobshite-so your opinion counts for little.
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Post by riptide on Apr 7, 2009 8:20:34 GMT
It's when I read bile-inducing shit like this that I know why I'm a PHW. The worst thing that ever happened to Pulis was that he was worshipped by a sicko-frantic group of individuals who would do well in the Hitler Youth. To say that some of us were talking shite when we have witnessed some of the worst football I've ever seen at Stoke is utter rubbish. Whatever criticism he got was well-deserved: just as his achievements of late are worthy of praise. OS. Ah the other gobshite appears.
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Post by mcf on Apr 7, 2009 8:26:33 GMT
OS
The problem with you PHW's is that you have no imagination.
It's easy to call a caterpillar a caterpillar, but a lot harder to know that it could become a beautiful butterfly that lights up your day as it floats around the meadow.
Don't be bitter with the Tony, just be the Rimmers backed the right caterpillar and made you cunts look like slugs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 8:32:31 GMT
Say what you want about our Tone, he has his shortcomings as a manager and was untested at this level before this season but he’s rose to the challenge, as have the players and the fans.
You can be Pro-Pulis without being a rimmer. I’ve always been in support of Tone and fully appreciate the job he has done at our club and the progress we have made under his leadership. That does not mean to say I haven’t had criticisms over the past few years regarding some of his decisions on tactics, signings etc.
You have to look at the bigger picture though. Even the likes of Sir Alex and Wenger make mistakes in the transfer market and they are the best in the business. You have to judge a manager on getting more right than wrong and in my opinion Tone has definitely done that. On a smaller budget in recent years he has brought in the likes of Lawrence, Fuller, Sidibe, and Higgy who are all first team players in the Premier League. With the recent inflated transfer funds available to him he has added the likes of Whelan, Amdy, Shawcross, Abdy, Etherington, Sorensen and Beattie. He also showed a lot of nous in the loan market when required with key signings at key moments over the years (Nash, Riggot, Crossley to name but a few).
Of course, there have been the Kitsons, Sonko’s, Olifinjana’s, Soares and Tonge signings which raise question marks and Tone has to shoulder responsibility for getting these one’s (seemingly) wrong but overall his record is very good in the transfer market and we are a much stronger outfit as a result. You only have to cast your mind back a few years to the Era’s under Little, Kamara and Bates and players like Petty, Gabbiadini, Stewart, Lightbourne and alike.
We’ve made massive strides forward under Pulis and even the most ardent Pulis hater must be able to take a step back and realise and appreciate what we’ve achieved and how far we’ve progressed under Tone. A few years ago I wouldn’t have thought in a million years we’d be where we are now.
Is he perfect? Of course not. Has he done a bloody good job, damn right he has.
People called for his head last season before we got promoted and then people called for his head again stating that he’d taken us as far as he could by getting us to The Prem and that he had reached his limitations. I’m sure Tone is much like our players in his attitude, when he gets written off he becomes more determined to work ‘aaardder and prove everyone wrong.
The job isn’t done this season yet but I really believe we will stay up under Pulis and he will maintain his impressive record of never being relegated in his managerial career. As long as we have him at the helm we will have a team that will always fight, will always show passion and determination and will give 100% when they pull on the red and white top and as a Stoke fan that will make me immensely proud for years to come I’m sure.
Be loyal, be proud, be Stoke.
WD
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Post by winger on Apr 7, 2009 8:32:41 GMT
Why does the caterpillar follow the trawler? Is it to eat the cabbage, or to be the sole inspiration for Wisemaster's terribul spelling?
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Post by knowles on Apr 7, 2009 8:37:32 GMT
I think a lot of people will realise how good Pulis is when he leaves this club. What he has done for us (keeping us up initially and then somehow getting promotion) is nothing short of a footballing miracle.
Give me long ball 2-0 victories over tippy tappy 2-0 defeats any day. Arise Sir Tony.
PS- well said WD
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Post by jnb14 on Apr 7, 2009 8:38:51 GMT
If I may butt in here(!).
The best thing that Pulis has done is create a team spirit. There's a thread about the 0v7 and someone mentions it here - that was the epitome of no spirit.
Perhaps the best thing I've seen all season (and by God, treasure this season as they don't happen often) was the sight of Steve Simonson when Ryan Shawcross scored against Boro. Here was someone who made few mistakes, never let us down and this season has known he was second fiddle to Tommy. And yet his utter delight when we scored is testimony to him and the spirit Pulis has engendered.
You can't buy that.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 7, 2009 8:44:50 GMT
First of all we're not safe. Second, if we do survive the drop Pulis deserves praise. Third, if he shows himself to have eliminated some of the unedifying traits he has when it comes team selection and tactics and we move forward next season, I'd be more than happy and he'll deserve even more praise. But......he is flawed, as all of us are and has been difficult to love. However, I'm warming to him and beating the drop would be a great achievement. Learning from his mistakes this season would be encouraging for those of us still to be convinced of his qualities. I hope he manages to bring all of us together so that the quite frankly ridiculous bickering ceases and we stop trying to score points off one another.
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Post by mcf on Apr 7, 2009 8:50:36 GMT
Fucking hell Uncs
He's only difficult to love because you PHW's are all mardy cunts.
Don't caterpillars eat leaves authorcunt?
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Post by RAF on Apr 7, 2009 8:53:24 GMT
And I quote 'I fucking hate Pulis'
MCF at Tels 60th Birthday Party earlier this year. I have it recorded on my phone, the bloke is a wind up merchant.
;D Clearly irony is something that passed you by along time ago.
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Post by mcf on Apr 7, 2009 8:59:41 GMT
Yet I spent the night defending him against a quintet of PHWs? Odd behaviour eh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 9:02:58 GMT
He's a realist who works out a way to play based on the players he's got...and for many years (and for him, many clubs) he has had the lower level in terms of budget and therefore players. However, I think we all see he can spot a bargain and build a team. He is and has been perfect for Stoke, and more credit to Coatesy for sticking to his guns.
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 7, 2009 9:07:28 GMT
Pulis has done a consistently good job at Stoke and has slowly but surely improved the quality of the team in every transfer window with a combination of imaginative loan signings such as Taggart and Crossley - no one did cart wheels when they were announced- who saved us from dropping in to the third tier, or by buying solid, dependable, inexpensive players.
Safety secured, he improved the team again with signings such as Hendrie and Berger who fell just short of the play offs. With more money to play with he improved the squad again last year to great effect and produced a team with a solid spine but which could score goals in abundance (2nd top scorers).
This season, for Crossley and Taggart read Sorensen and Faye. Two players who were rejected by other clubs but who have become heroes at Stoke as the strong base of the team. The quality that was Hendrie and Berger is now in the form of Etherington and Beattie, both signed in the window.
If we survive expect more quality to be added next season. It will be less difficult to attract targets in the summer that last year. Even though Tony will still line up defensively against Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool he might well be more positive against Wigan , Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves and Birmingham. That has been the pattern of his tenure so far.
Tony Pulis is not an enigma. He is a thoughtful, methodical, consistent and succesful manager.
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Post by riptide on Apr 7, 2009 9:10:59 GMT
;D Clearly irony is something that passed you by along time ago. H Ah the uber-gobshite is in residence!
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Post by RAF on Apr 7, 2009 9:46:43 GMT
Lies and damn lies.
;D Irony must pass you by on a daily basis, in fact you probably think it's something that flattens your clothes you daft prick.
32 Posts! LMAO, come on then, tell us who you were before you were banned?
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Post by surreystokie on Apr 7, 2009 22:54:13 GMT
TP does seem quite allergic to publicity - as when he ran from the dugout, at the final whistly, when promoted. And not for his own safety, as he didn't wish to put himself forward, in the directors' box, leaving the limelight to the players. He is no Tango, Sam, 'Arry, etc and can see why he gets along with Megson, another who has never been popular with his own fans but just gets on with it.
seventees and Paul, yes there are those who can't see anythin either right or wrong with him but there is also equal intransigence/idiocy when Fuller's name is mentioned. Too many told you so's and playground debate.
Let's just enjoy everyone at Stoke City, in these exciting times.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Apr 7, 2009 23:02:33 GMT
absolutely.
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 7, 2009 23:05:28 GMT
Intrangsigence/idocy are both expressions used in context when opions differ with regards to both Fuller and Pulis.
The fact is that they have proved their doubters wrong....Fuller was the main catalyst in our promotion campaign., and yet some early on in the close season were suggesting he wasn't good enough for the Premiership.
If that wasn't bad enough, some were calling for his head after the Griffin 'slapping' incident.
But I agree with Surreystokie...Let's enjoy these exciting times.
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Post by headsgoup on Apr 7, 2009 23:10:10 GMT
I just can't help but laugh at the last remaining PHW. They really should support WBA. BTW you may not know that our Messiah is on 99 wins (league and cups) and Saturday could be his 100th as manager..............time to crack open the Champers. You may throw the empties at the likes of Pugsey and OldStokie as they walk heads bowed from the party,
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Post by mumf14 on Apr 7, 2009 23:18:07 GMT
The only redeeming freature out of all the Bumfesters is RAF..
'R.A.F Was wrong'...
I can't wait for this summers Bumfest in Belguim......I'd go myself but the stench of stale piss, and talk of SAGA insurance premiums quotes would finish me off.
Add to that the thought of having my picture took next to Bossfat....and yes I would prefer to be a member of Hitlers Fucking youth to quote Oldstokie.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 8, 2009 11:35:48 GMT
I just can't help but laugh at the last remaining PHW. They really should support WBA. BTW you may not know that our Messiah is on 99 wins (league and cups) and Saturday could be his 100th as manager..............time to crack open the Champers. You may throw the empties at the likes of Pugsey and OldStokie as they walk heads bowed from the party, Should we really go and support someone else? I don't think so mate. In fact there are rimmers who have actively supported another team that Pulis was managing AND wanting defeat for Stoke City while Pulis was not in charge. I suggest Alan you fucking do one.
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Post by actongatestokie on Apr 8, 2009 11:52:55 GMT
What enigma? He is simply a good manager doing a good job. Not many agree with his principles or how he sets up his teams but it has proven to be effective and has gained the required results over his entire Stoke City career. He has always punched above his weight.
There is no enigma in a manager sending a team out to do a job and the team doing that job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 12:17:10 GMT
Was Pulis' first spell at the club really that bad? He kept us up when all seemed lost, we had a very good season of consolidation the next year, and then he lost the plot the following season with the binary stuff. For the most part, given where we were when he took over, I'd judge his original spell a success. As Pugsley rightly says, once backed with a fair wedge, he delivered the goods.
OS, "the worst football you've ever seen at Stoke"? Give me a scrappy 1-0 win over the stuff messrs Little, Kamara and Bates presided over. Gudjon was frequently just as cautious as well, and against far inferior opposition. I'd argue Joe Jordan was worse as well.
He'll always have his faults - his favourites and his unfathomable team selections, his infuriating negativity away from home, the way he doesn't seem to value pace or flair in the team to any real degree - but what he's achieved for this club is nothing short of phenomenal.
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Post by RAF on Apr 8, 2009 12:36:21 GMT
So basically he's doing his job well at the moment and being paid handsomely for it.
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2009 12:36:46 GMT
The Binary season is one of the worst seasons I have seen in 30 years: the 3 relegation seasons in that time,Little's season & the Ball/Paddon season were worse
even Jordan wasnt as bad as the binary season.
having said that I was gutted when he was sacked as I beleived either the Icelanders would sell up to Coates (who I beleived would be exactly like the 1st time) or would stay & behave exactly like Coates the 1st time i.e. sell everything that moves. As such I felt TP was just the man to bore us to safety year in year out till the club was sold to A N Other.
as it happens I enjoyed the Bosman season (I am very aware thousands did not) & was gutted when PC re-apponted TP as I felt that signalled a new period of no investment.
how wrong can you be!
TP still makes loads of mistakes & will continue to do so.
I do beleive he is a better manager now - makes better substitutions for example - & am quite happy for TP to stay in charge for some time.
There will be a point when TP's ways wont be the right ones for Stoke anymore & when that comes it woukld be great if he wasnt hounded out (a la Waddo).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 12:45:09 GMT
So basically he's doing his job well at the moment and being paid handsomely for it. H Yep. Does any manager do his job well 100% of the time?
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Post by MrDBrent on Apr 8, 2009 12:46:54 GMT
I remember being genuinely excited the day that George Burley was to be appointed as manager of Stoke City. I also recall being gutted when he turned us down and angry beyond belief that second choice was to be Tony f*****g Pulis. I recall his first game at Walsall and the chants of 'you don't know what you're doing' and the 6-0 drubbing at Forest that followed. We went defensive and survived by the skin of our teeth on the last day. TP leaves and we heave a collective sigh of relief as we welcome Boskamp's ,ahem,' flowing football'. Boskamp leaves and who do we appoint. Tony f*****g Pulis. We all know what followed and most of us are still in some kind of suspended disbelief that Tony got us here. I, for one, owe the man an enormous debt of gratitude for taking SCFC back into the national( international?) consciousness and for showing my son what it is to support a top flight club at last. He has always polarized opinion amongst our supporters whilst people like Macari (who achieved far less) are universally popular but you still feel that a couple of defeats and the Pulis haters ,who are probably just hibernating, will once again be out in force. I'm not entirely sure what I am trying to say other than 'thank you Tony', you certainly proved me wrong and long may that continue. AMEN is was gutted when pulis came back for a second time absolutly gutted but we all owe a huge debt to the guy he has worked miracles! tony pulis walks on water ;D
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