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Post by jbstokie on Mar 15, 2009 14:13:31 GMT
Delap should not start. If we are trailing he should be subbed on as a last resort in hope of some long throws. I've defended his quality on the ball when it's not in his hands but I don't think I can anymore, he just doesn't offer enough.
For me it now HAS to be
Etherington, Am Faye, Whelan, Lawrence
These are the most consistently good players and there is no reason for them not to start. Also hopefully Fuller's lack of starts in the last few games will have kept him on his toes, and when he does start he won't be as lazy and actually play for his place.
Other than that I think Tone did a good job yesterday and we were unlucky. Our next few games are very winnable and our fate is in our own hands. If we really want it we could well be safe in the next five or six games.
JB
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Post by PickSCFC on Mar 15, 2009 14:16:01 GMT
I have to agree with you there, Diao was shit AGAIN yesterday and Delap was crap as well
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Post by stonestokie! on Mar 15, 2009 14:17:08 GMT
Diao has been really bad for the last few games, i wish tony would just see it! agree with your midfield by the way JB
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Post by stokiemama14 on Mar 15, 2009 14:17:43 GMT
second person to agree with u JB (:
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Mar 15, 2009 14:21:04 GMT
think Delap needs to play at home but away from home i wouldn't play him. but just one thing to remember is that he has like 7-8 assists and 2 goals from midfield so over the season he has been probably are best midfielder, i think he is one of are midfielders that does try to get in the oppo area cant imagine faye or diao or even whelan getting in on the far stick or been in a attacking place in the area. But etherington and lawrence are better wingers so should be playing there for the rest of the season suspension and injury permitting.
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 15, 2009 14:21:14 GMT
I can understand why he started Diao, he seems/seemed to be a lot better away from home, he's a very good leader when he's in form but he rarely is anymore. Still not a bad bench SUB1 - Camara SUB2 - Diao SUB3 - Delap SUB4 - Sidibe SUB5 - Simonsen, in fact fuck it, if Sorensen gets injured Abdy can go in, strikers will just surrender at the edge of the 18 yards box Pick your own 5th sub
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Mar 15, 2009 14:24:57 GMT
we get 7 subs mate
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Post by PickSCFC on Mar 15, 2009 14:27:39 GMT
I can understand why he started Diao, he seems/seemed to be a lot better away from home, he's a very good leader when he's in form but he rarely is anymore. Still not a bad bench SUB1 - Camara SUB2 - Diao SUB3 - Delap SUB4 - Sidibe SUB5 - Simonsen, in fact fuck it, if Sorensen gets injured Abdy can go in, strikers will just surrender at the edge of the 18 yards box Pick your own 5th sub dont you want seven on the bench
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 14:35:02 GMT
Just to add a little balance: I think Rory has been one of our most consistent players this season. Sure he's had poor games (as have all the others). But I have long argued that he is worth his place on his football rather than his throws.
As has been stated, he has contributed with vital assists as well as a couple of goals which puts him ahead of any of the rest of our midfield.
I don't see TP starting games with both Liam and Ethers on the pitch, although they will no doubt both get on at some stage.
Rory is one of the first names on the team sheet for me.
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Post by Sam on Mar 15, 2009 14:40:57 GMT
Totaly agree, play Lenny, Whelan,Ab Faye & Etherington.
Two attacking wingers could scare the life out of most teams.
Think positive, we are staying up ;D
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 15, 2009 14:41:40 GMT
Valid point dozinthe70s but when did we last score from them? He's one of those players you'd hate to see slip off the team sheet but not unlikely. & Ooops SUB1 - Camara SUB2 - Diao SUB3 - Delap SUB4 - Sidibe SUB5 - Simonsen SUB6 - Tonge SUB7 - Pugh/Seyi
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 14:47:05 GMT
Know what your saying JB, but I just know TP won't play with 2 wingers.
He likes to have options ans so I'm convinced that Liam OR Ethers will start and the other one will come at some stage depending on how the game's going.
Be great to see 2 wingers but it won't happen.
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Post by scfclifer on Mar 15, 2009 14:54:42 GMT
delaps throws have only provided assists at the bear pit he has provided no goals away from home assist wise as i can remember ??? and only scored 1 goal away at chelski ..........he should be used at home only
lenny . faye . whelan . ethers
thats my midfield away swap faye for rory at home
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 14:58:37 GMT
How many assists/goals have our other midfield players contributed away??
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Mar 15, 2009 15:14:48 GMT
delaps throws have only provided assists at the bear pit he has provided no goals away from home assist wise as i can remember ??? and only scored 1 goal away at chelski ..........he should be used at home only lenny . faye . whelan . ethers thats my midfield away swap faye for rory at home he scored the WINNER against spurs
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 15, 2009 15:21:35 GMT
People are always desperate to pillory our best players. I never understand why, but people are desperate to jump on Delap and Fuller whenever they can.
I still think that Delap is the best central midfielder in our squad, despite spending millions of pounds on Tonge, Soares, Olofinjana, Whelan, Pugh and Faye. His footballing brain is nothing short of first class, there's no more astute player in our squad. He doesn't have the pace to beat players out wide and put in crosses, but at least he was up supporting Fuller yesterday. We should have taken Lawrence or Diao off for Etherington, but not Delap. The guy can mark, tackle, pass it better than Diao, get forward a bit and creates 10 chances a match with his throws. What more do you want?
Delap and Whelan in the middle is the way to go.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 15:26:31 GMT
MD: Agree entirely with you assessment of Rory but TP won't pick him and Whelan as the CM pairing. He will always have at least 1 'holding midfielder' (Salif or Amdy)
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 15, 2009 15:38:22 GMT
Yes, but isn't Delap a fairly defensive minded midfielder? No matter where he's playing, he's always further back than any of the rest of the midfield when the opposition get the ball back off a set piece. He always manages to spot where the threat is and cut it out. That's invaluable.
Delap is better than Whelan anyway, so it's a bit of a no-brainer in that respect. If he was absolutely desperate for a holding player, it'd have to be Delap and Faye in the middle, but then we'd just be back to midfield performances akin to the Diao - Faye partnership.
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 15, 2009 15:38:46 GMT
Amdy and Whelan or Rory and Whelan away from home
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 15:42:58 GMT
Yes, but isn't Delap a fairly defensive minded midfielder? No matter where he's playing, he's always further back than any of the rest of the midfield when the opposition get the ball back off a set piece. He always manages to spot where the threat is and cut it out. That's invaluable. Delap is better than Whelan anyway, so it's a bit of a no-brainer in that respect. If he was absolutely desperate for a holding player, it'd have to be Delap and Faye in the middle, but then we'd just be back to midfield performances akin to the Diao - Faye partnership. It would appear many have very short memories as to just how effective Rory can be in central midfield MD. His reading of the game is excellent and he just keeps on running. Rory would I'm sure admit that he's been poor of late but then I'd expect Salif to look really wank (or should that be even more wank than he's playing in the middle) playing wide left. Stick Rory in the middle, he's great at screening the opposition and will give us a platform to play from.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 15:43:47 GMT
MD:
Know what you mean and Rory does read the game very well but I just know that Rory/Whelan CM pairing will look too weak for TP defensively.
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Post by diaofan on Mar 15, 2009 15:50:15 GMT
delaps throws have only provided assists at the bear pit he has provided no goals away from home assist wise as i can remember ??? and only scored 1 goal away at chelski ..........he should be used at home only lenny . faye . whelan . ethers thats my midfield away swap faye for rory at home Fuller's goal away at Pompey came from a Kitson flick on from a Delap throw in
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Post by foreverstoke on Mar 15, 2009 15:51:26 GMT
delap was awful yesturday
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 15:52:33 GMT
delap was awful yesturday He was mate, but a left midfielder he isn't. It's not fair to judge him when he plays in such a bloody daft position.
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Post by meirman61 on Mar 15, 2009 15:52:42 GMT
TP isn't going to be playing two wingers away from home so you've got to go with Etherington at least he's an out-let can run the ball and actually beat a man where as Lenny cudna get passed ma lady
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 15, 2009 15:53:58 GMT
MD: Know what you mean and Rory does read the game very well but I just know that Rory/Whelan CM pairing will look too weak for TP defensively. So then it has to be Delap and Faye. Delap is our best central midfielder in any category you want to choose. Stamina, intelligence, defending (better than either of our two defensive midfield kings), even supporting the forward players.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 15:54:00 GMT
So we drop him for 1 poor performance? Jesus we'd have no-one left to pick!
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Post by foreverstoke on Mar 15, 2009 15:54:43 GMT
delap was awful yesturday He was mate, but a left midfielder he isn't. It's not fair to judge him when he plays in such a bloody daft position. your right... pulis should have played him in the middle with etheringon on the left...! he said he made a mistake at villa defending the whole time... he didnt learn his lesson did he... every stoke fan could have picked the midfield of lawrence delap whelan etherington....! but although rory played left midfield he was still very poor for him, hes better than that performance
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 15:58:36 GMT
MD; I'm totally with you on Rory mate. I said earlier he's one of the first names on the team sheet for me. I'd accomodate him anywhere I could and I think he has been one of our most consistent players all season.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 15:58:41 GMT
I would imagine that given various circumstances the best four we have of Liam Whelan Rory Ethers
hasn't even had a try out in training as someones always been missing since Ethers arrived. I just hope TP gives it a go before the season ends.
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