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Post by foreverstoke on Mar 15, 2009 16:00:30 GMT
he needs to at home without a doubt!
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Post by sage on Mar 15, 2009 16:04:14 GMT
I would imagine that given various circumstances the best four we have of Liam Whelan Rory Ethers hasn't even had a try out in training as someones always been missing since Ethers arrived. I just hope TP gives it a go before the season ends. agreed. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 16:04:29 GMT
Jamo: It looks good mate and they're all good players but it wouldn't be STRONG enough defensively for TP. I'll stick my neck right out and predict that he will NEVER pick that combination barring massive injury/suspension problems.
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Post by scfclifer on Mar 15, 2009 16:31:45 GMT
delaps throws have only provided assists at the bear pit he has provided no goals away from home assist wise as i can remember ??? and only scored 1 goal away at chelski ..........he should be used at home only lenny . faye . whelan . ethers thats my midfield away swap faye for rory at home he scored the WINNER against spurs hiro put your glasses on mate i said he'd scored one AWAY i know about the spurs goal |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 16:38:33 GMT
Jamo: It looks good mate and they're all good players but it wouldn't be STRONG enough defensively for TP. I'll stick my neck right out and predict that he will NEVER pick that combination barring massive injury/suspension problems. I agree doz, I don't think we'll see it either but I actually think that because it has quality, good balance and Rory in there to clear up; we would be more solid as our defence would have less defending to do, due to us occupying the oppositions back line far more than we do at present. We defend quite well in general but when the ball keeps ending up in our half its only a matter of time before the other team scores, regardless of how defensive our central midfelders are. Someone once said the best form of defence is attack and as our philosophy of "keeping it tight" away from home hasn't worked, maybe it's time to gamble? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 16:42:49 GMT
Jammo: Do you think our manager is a gambler mate?
I agree entirely with your sentiment but we both know it's a none starter.
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2009 16:43:02 GMT
I think Delap should still play at home, but I think he should be dropped for away games.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 15, 2009 16:45:33 GMT
Liam Whelan Rory Ethers I just hope TP gives it a go before the season ends. It'll probably be sometime during the second half at the Emirates mate.  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 16:47:40 GMT
Jammo: Do you think our manager is a gambler mate? I agree entirely with your sentiment but we both know it's a none starter. Correct mate, the only gamble TP makes is whether he should wear a red baseball cap or a blue one!! It's a shame he's so naturally cautious though, don't get me wrong his approach has got us here but I honestly think with the players he has assembled, we would be better if we twist instead of sticking especially away from the Brit. Lets be honest, it hasn't worked in 15 games really so what have we got to lose by giving it a go? |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 16:48:54 GMT
Liam Whelan Rory Ethers I just hope TP gives it a go before the season ends. It'll probably be sometime during the second half at the Emirates mate. I don't think that would constitute a gamble though when we are already 3-0 up Paul. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2009 17:00:51 GMT
Pulis was quite happy to field Whelan and Delap week-in, week out as his central midfield partnership last season.
And we've hardly brought in any central midfielders head and shoulders above Delap - or certainly none that would be playable there in a Pulis XI.
The basic Pulis blueprint for his CM duo presumably remains unchanged with neither let off the leash to any great degree at all. Delap will be more than familiar with what's expected in that role.
Regardless of the level, Diao should now be completely out of the equation and it should be a straight fight between Faye and Delap for the place alongside Whelan.
But when he has the option, Pulis seems drawn to physical presence like a kiddy in a sweet shop, regardless of what else is on offer. I think Kemp basically said the same in an interview last season; that Pulis is instinctively drawn to size and physical presence, while he is more drawn to pace.
Delap certainly doesn't merit a place in our best XI, home or away, on either wing, so if Pulis wants to retain his throw in home games, maybe that's the way to go.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 17:06:25 GMT
Pulis was quite happy to field Whelan and Delap week-in, week out as his central midfield partnership last season. And we've hardly brought in any central midfielders head and shoulders above Delap - or certainly none that would be playable there in a Pulis XI. The basic Pulis blueprint for his CM duo presumably remains unchanged with neither let off the leash to any great degree at all. Delap will be more than familiar with what's expected in that role. Regardless of the level, Diao should now be completely out of the equation and it should be a straight fight between Faye and Delap for the place alongside Whelan. But when he has the option, Pulis seems drawn to physical presence like a kiddy in a sweet shop, regardless of what else is on offer. I think Kemp basically said the same in an interview last season; that Pulis is instinctively drawn to size and physical presence, while he is more drawn to pace. Delap certainly doesn't merit a place in our best XI, home or away, on either wing, so if Pulis wants to retain his throw in home games, maybe that's the way to go. Correct Grapey, there is simply no justification in playing him in a wide role (its not fair on him either, as it wasn't with Cress.) I still believe that Rory is our best holding midfielder by a distance. |
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Post by mikeyb99 on Mar 15, 2009 17:07:29 GMT
Can't see this Delap love-in tbh. Take away the assists through throw-ins and his contribution is two (praiseworthy) goals.
I've said it on another thread, but his throws aren't anywhere near as effective without the six 6'2''+ players packing the box that we saw earlier in the season. Yes, we got the second vs Bolton indirectly as a result of the throw, but we haven't had anything else since November. In addition, his prescence in the side as 'throw-in-man' stifles our play because its all too tempting to play for the set-piece, rather than actually pass the ball. If he's not in the side because of the throw-in, then he needs to be effective in open play - yet he's not as good a def-mid than Amdy, or as good an att-mid than Whelan (in current form).
Therefore, its pretty difficult to make a case for him starting. The midfield of:
Lawro - Amdy - Whelan - Etherington
... should be first choice.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 15, 2009 17:08:13 GMT
Good points Fuller but as you know TP considers Salif 'his best midfielder by a country mile'. I often defend TP on a tactical level but he's even lost ME on that one. I just know that, if Salif wasn't there Amdy would be.
Your appraisal of Rory is spot on though and I know he is a good CM. Even I have to admit that TP is a bit stubborn on this one.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 17:13:40 GMT
Can't see this Delap love-in tbh. Take away the assists through throw-ins and his contribution is two (praiseworthy) goals. I've said it on another thread, but his throws aren't anywhere near as effective without the six 6'2''+ players packing the box that we saw earlier in the season. Yes, we got the second vs Bolton indirectly as a result of the throw, but we haven't had anything else since November. In addition, his prescence in the side as 'throw-in-man' stifles our play because its all too tempting to play for the set-piece, rather than actually pass the ball. If he's not in the side because of the throw-in, then he needs to be effective in open play - yet he's not as good a def-mid than Amdy, or as good an att-mid than Whelan (in current form). Therefore, its pretty difficult to make a case for him starting. The midfield of: Lawro - Amdy - Whelan - Etherington ... should be first choice. He is a better defensive midfielder than Amdy in my opinion and his poor form is down to him being played in completely the wrong position. If he was as bad in the middle once he was given a chance then you'd be correct, but IF he gets his chance to play with Whelan (which I don't believe he will) I'm convinced we'd be a better team for it. |
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