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Post by Northy on Feb 13, 2009 8:08:58 GMT
Personally, I have no problem with having a monarch (even though "her" anthem is the crappiest of tunes and has silly words) but for the life of me I can't see why the ENGLISH football team should sing the BRITISH anthem of praise to a BRITISH monarch before a game. If we are to have anthems before games (and every country does) then it should be an ENGLISH anthem - Jerusalem would be my front runner but there are plenty of of others we could choose (I vow to thee my country, Land of Hope and Glory etc.) Perhaps we should have a reality show on English TV and vote on the contenders! ;D I think we'd all welcome a change, but not another reality TV show PLEASE Jerusalem is good, but not in the right spirit of the PC brigade these days I vow to the my country is a bit girlie (suit some of the players) So it's Land of Hope and Glory for me
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2009 8:13:32 GMT
If Jerusalem passes the Women's Institute test then it should be good enough for the PC brigade! ;D
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Post by GazMcNicol on Feb 13, 2009 8:18:15 GMT
I much prefer Rule Brittannia!
Why don't we (Stokies) sing that?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2009 9:17:12 GMT
Rule Britannia refers to Britain (Britannia) and not England so it is illogical to have it as an English Anthem.
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Post by hamburgpotter on Feb 13, 2009 9:29:35 GMT
Call me old fashioned !!! But all the twats on here knocking the National Anthem.....Its about the only thing we,ve got left that relates to when we were a great country (Not in my time either ). I for one feel proud when i hear the National Anthem and always think of the poor fuckers who gave their lifes fighting for this country in the last wars to let you whinging twats carry on with your lives behind a laptop.............a bit of pride is what is missing from our country and youth today !!!! Rant over....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2009 9:33:31 GMT
That's fine hp. I "respect" what the national anthem stands for even though, personally, I think it is a crap tune.
But it is the BRITISH national anthem not an English one isn't it? When England play, for example, Scotland, it makes no sense for the Scots to have their own Scottish anthem whilst we don't have an English one.
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Post by hamburgpotter on Feb 13, 2009 9:45:13 GMT
True what you say Lakeland.... but the national anthem helps us to remember when we actually ruled the Jocks,Taffs etc. I dont like the Queen, but theres nowt wrong with a bit of National Pride, and other than a National Curry Day I dont think theres owt else that could associate us with being English. The national anthem is known all over the world as being Englands song, or Great Britain when we need the medals at the Olympics .....we have just got to work on Delilah now and then the world will be complete.
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Post by Nick1984 on Feb 13, 2009 9:48:17 GMT
I don't believe in God and I don't believe in unelected monarchy.
I've never sang the anthem in my life!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2009 9:56:26 GMT
hp, one reason why you find it so difficult to find something to associate with us being English might be because we don't have an English Anthem. The Scots seem to find no problem in belting out "Flower of Scotland" before games and good luck to them for that. An English anthem sung before England games would probably do the English the world of good and add that bit of pride which you find missing in so many of us.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 13, 2009 10:02:43 GMT
yeah i noticed that to, most dont seem bothered about playing for england anymore david james was still belting out the anthem with passion tho And he was shit so that tells you that singing makes no bloody difference. The Welsh rugby team sing like heroes but most of my life they've still been pretty crap aswell. Beckham is very passionate but he doesn't belt it out either.
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Post by Nick1984 on Feb 13, 2009 10:06:14 GMT
Look at the first word of the anthem, God, if you're an Atheist/Buddhist/anyone who doesn't believe in God, you're not going to belt it out at the top of your voice.
We need a new anthem to reflect modern times, and there's plenty of great English classics that can fill that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 10:53:18 GMT
Why aren't they made to stand there and belt it out at the top of their voices? Surely this would give you a massive adrenaline rush from the pride? It really pissed me off last night watching the majority of them facing the floor or just quietly wording it to themselves!!! SING WITH PASSION, PLAY WITH PASSION. Rant over. "Passion" is the most overrated commodity with football. It isn't a lack of "passion" that prevents England from winning anything, it goes far, far, far deeper than that. Plus the nationalanthem is a right fucking dirge. Who gives a shit about the queen?
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Post by The Occasional Man on Feb 13, 2009 10:55:27 GMT
SWP seemed to move his lips a smidgin! That was just the wind . . . . Dons tin hat and retreats to safe distance . ..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 10:56:37 GMT
Call me old fashioned !!! But all the twats on here knocking the National Anthem.....Its about the only thing we,ve got left that relates to when we were a great country (Not in my time either ). I for one feel proud when i hear the National Anthem and always think of the poor fuckers who gave their lifes fighting for this country in the last wars to let you whinging twats carry on with your lives behind a laptop.............a bit of pride is what is missing from our country and youth today !!!! Rant over.... It's a song about rimming the queen, who last time I looked, hadn't given her life fighting for this country.
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Post by hamburgpotter on Feb 13, 2009 11:38:42 GMT
It's a song about rimming the queen, who last time I looked, hadn't given her life fighting for this country.
Neither have you or me for that fact, but if you can come up with somat else that can make us a bit proud of being English then I,m all ears ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 11:47:11 GMT
Just off the top of my head, Land of Hope and Glory, Rule Britannia (as imperialistic as that is), even "There'll Always Be An England" is more rousing than bigging up some rich old bag who's descended from Germans anyway.
If it was up to me I'd have us sing "World In Motion", complete with John Barnes' rap, rather than God Save The Queen. Even that's more patriotic.
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Post by th05 on Feb 13, 2009 12:29:35 GMT
I always thought this, although some do (JT, Beckham, James, Ferdinand) sing it, it annoys me when people don't. Although I respect Scholes as a top professional, it always annoyed me that he didn't sing the anthem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 12:41:26 GMT
It could be argued that it's as much of a statement not to sing it as to sing it.
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 13, 2009 12:43:23 GMT
i can't moan about players not singing it. I wouldn't either. Agree with most of the comments about why not. Me and Robvd seem to have very similar views on the scrounging inbreds.
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Post by Nick1984 on Feb 13, 2009 12:58:52 GMT
I always thought this, although some do (JT, Beckham, James, Ferdinand) sing it, it annoys me when people don't. Although I respect Scholes as a top professional, it always annoyed me that he didn't sing the anthem. Perhaps they're religion, Beckham has a cross on his neck doesn't he?
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Post by stone6 on Feb 13, 2009 13:06:53 GMT
I must admit i'm not surprised with all the negativity towards the Queen and the monarchy, but during a world cup for example when you're at a game and surrounded by fellow countrymen in the crowd all singing the national anthem at the top of our voices, does it not send a shiver down your spine? The thought does it to me! Does it not make you for at least those few moments feel full of pride to be English? There is huge debate for and against our monarchy but it's part of our heritage and they are at the least an enourmous part of our tourist trade. What about our troops who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you asked them who they are fighting for the answer would be 'for Queen and country' IMO - The national anthem is what it is, everyone has one, regardless of whether its God save our Queen, Land of Hope and Glory or Rule Brittania our players should be singing it proud to be English and even more proud to be representing our country!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 13:15:20 GMT
I must admit i'm not surprised with all the negativity towards the Queen and the monarchy, but during a world cup for example when you're at a game and surrounded by fellow countrymen in the crowd all singing the national anthem at the top of our voices, does it not send a shiver down your spine? The thought does it to me! Does it not make you for at least those few moments feel full of pride to be English? There is huge debate for and against our monarchy but it's part of our heritage and they are at the least an enourmous part of our tourist trade. What about our troops who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you asked them who they are fighting for the answer would be 'for Queen and country' IMO - The national anthem is what it is, everyone has one, regardless of whether its God save our Queen, Land of Hope and Glory or Rule Brittania our players should be singing it proud to be English and even more proud to be representing our country!!! It doesn't make me feel proud to be English because England is barely mentioned in the song. It's a dirge of a tune with lyrics that don't even come close to inspiring national pride for me personally. I think the whole "for queen and country" thing is another can of worms entirely and could probably start a thread on its own, but I'll wait until Serpico's about for that one
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Post by stokiejon on Feb 13, 2009 13:39:13 GMT
Im sorry but half of whats being said on here is utter crap. People saying things like the song has nothing to do with England well ffs what does delilah have to do with Stoke. Iv only ever been three away games with England but Germany last year was a fantastic game where fans from all over the country sang the national anthem with pride and i personally dont see a problem with that. Anyone who does have a problem can just choose to not sing it homes/pubs, however i don't see a problem with it being played before games in front of people who go to follow England whether it be home or away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 13:42:34 GMT
Im sorry but half of whats being said on here is utter crap. People saying things like the song has nothing to do with England well ffs what does delilah have to do with Stoke. Iv only ever been three away games with England but Germany last year was a fantastic game where fans from all over the country sang the national anthem with pride and i personally dont see a problem with that. Anyone who does have a problem can just choose to not sing it homes/pubs, however i don't see a problem with it being played before games in front of people who go to follow England whether it be home or away. "Delilah" is an adopted unofficial anthem. "God Save The Queen" is the official National Anthem, the song that supposedly represents everything that is great and good about being from this country. That's the difference. I don't particularly have a problem with it being played, I just think it's rubbish and there are a fair few better options. My issue is with people criticising the players for not singing it - if they don't want to, why should they?
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Post by stokiejon on Feb 13, 2009 13:45:26 GMT
I agree with you on the players point its up to them whether or not they sing it in all fairness but I can tell you now for a fact delilah gets sang more then gstq at a match
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 13:46:39 GMT
I agree with you on the players point its up to them whether or not they sing it in all fairness but I can tell you now for a fact delilah gets sang more then gstq at a match I'm sure it does. What's your point?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2009 13:48:15 GMT
rob vanduerzen you said "England is barely mentioned in the song". England is not mentioned at all in the song - it would be illogical if it was. It is a British not an English anthem. Which is why it should not be sung before England matches.
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Post by stokiejon on Feb 13, 2009 13:49:12 GMT
Just saying that people who equally want to have a rant about god save the queen want to think about what delilah actually means to stoke fans lyrics wise it doesnt really mean anything its actually what the song means to people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 13:56:28 GMT
Just saying that people who equally want to have a rant about god save the queen want to think about what delilah actually means to stoke fans lyrics wise it doesnt really mean anything its actually what the song means to people. Yeah, but as I said, Delilah is an affectionate, adopted anthem whereas God Save The Queen is the official National Anthem. It's not the same thing.
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Post by redblue on Feb 13, 2009 16:18:43 GMT
I always sang GSTQ when I went to watch England with pride and passion, when I used to go about 20 odd years ago there was not many St George flags about everybody used to have union Jacks.
How many on here went to Cardiff last year and sang GSTQ? There was plenty singing it.
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