jazzy
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 17:20:24 GMT
totally gutted !!
the reason we havent won away from home is because of the negative tactics .
you cant play against world class players and sit back for 90 mins !!
sooner or later they will punish you . its not rocket science !!
possesion ----- chelsea 72% --- stoke 28%
total shots ---- chelsea 29 ------ stoke 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we had the game today there for the taking at 1 up and blew it !!
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Post by Matthews dad on Jan 17, 2009 17:21:34 GMT
What a crock of shit.  |
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Jan 17, 2009 17:22:19 GMT
That shots stat, really does say it all !
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Post by Batfink on Jan 17, 2009 17:23:19 GMT
We got one up playing that way! Nah you're correct we should of gona and attacked, we would have ripped them to shreds!  |
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Jan 17, 2009 17:23:25 GMT
We were 4 minutes away from winning FFS!!!
Pulis tactics would have been the best thing since sliced bread if we had hung on for the win.
Some people are so fickle.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 17:24:52 GMT
i think southend had more shots than us !!
says it all !!
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Post by lancer on Jan 17, 2009 17:25:52 GMT
We didn't SIT back, we were PUSHED back by the most expensive and talented team of INTERNATIONALS in the bloody world.
Very, very unluckly today, but it does show that we should be more than capable of beating lesser teams and staying up.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 17:27:18 GMT
we are always sitting frigging back !!
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 17, 2009 17:28:06 GMT
We are playing one of the best teams on the planet and have kept a clean sheet for 87mins and gone 1-0 up so to say the negative tactics cost us uuter bullshit!!!
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 17:29:29 GMT
but what was the score ?
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Post by pushon on Jan 17, 2009 17:31:06 GMT
It's a point of view jazzy, but not a good time to put it  |
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Post by jamojamo on Jan 17, 2009 17:32:51 GMT
Seriously, if we had pushed any more forward; it would have been an absolute thrashing.
In fact, im not gonna even argue that fact. Obviously you're just a wind up merchant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2009 17:34:59 GMT
totally gutted !! the reason we havent won away from home is because of the negative tactics . you cant play word class players and sit back for 90 mins !! sooner or later they will punish you . its not rocket science !! possesion ----- chelsea 72% --- stoke 28% total shots ---- chelsea 29 ------ stoke 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we had the game today there for the taking at 1 up and blew it !! yeah you're right, we should have gone at a team with some of the best attacking options in europe and who cares about the space we leave in midfield and at the back.sure we'd have lost 5 or 6 nil (when goal difference could be very important) but who cares eh?? Muppet!! btw, as much as i love Ric, Mama, Beattie et al, who exactly are our "World Class" players?!? ??? |
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 17, 2009 17:36:27 GMT
Yeah you're right and Southend scored as many as we did in their 4-1 defeat.
If we'd played further up the pitch the top scorer in the Prem would have had more room to play in, feeding off the passes of the 130 grand a week Lampard and Germany's best player.
The two best attacking full backs in the league would have had a field day and the French international, Malouda, would have got forward more odften
The tactics were spot on for this game and were minutes away from getting us 3 points. Now we've got Etherington, Lawrence, Fuller, Sidibe, Beattie and Kitson available Pulis can vary the tactics against teams that are not of the same quality as Chelsea, Liverpool, United and Arsenal.
And Stoke will stay up.
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Post by premierpotters08 on Jan 17, 2009 17:39:07 GMT
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 23:41:35 GMT
Yeah you're right and Southend scored as many as we did in their 4-1 defeat. If we'd played further up the pitch the top scorer in the Prem would have had more room to play in, feeding off the passes of the 130 grand a week Lampard and Germany's best player. The two best attacking full backs in the league would have had a field day and the French international, Malouda, would have got forward more odften The tactics were spot on for this game and were minutes away from getting us 3 points. Now we've got Etherington, Lawrence, Fuller, Sidibe, Beattie and Kitson available Pulis can vary the tactics against teams that are not of the same quality as Chelsea, Liverpool, United and Arsenal. And Stoke will stay up. i hope we do stay up ! but "nil poi" means "nil poi" . where are the points going to come from ? |
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Post by manc_lass14 on Jan 17, 2009 23:43:34 GMT
Most points will come from home games... We are bound to win at least 1 away from home and more than likely get more draws away from home!! We very nearly got a win/draw today!!!
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 23:45:40 GMT
Most points will come from home games... We are bound to win at least 1 away from home and more than likely get more draws away from home!! We very nearly got a win/draw today!!! we always very nearly get a draw !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2009 23:45:49 GMT
jazzy you aint got a clue pal,lets open up and get hammered keep your stupid thoughts to yourself.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 17, 2009 23:48:07 GMT
as the great red rafa says "facts" , just stating facts !!
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Post by manc_lass14 on Jan 17, 2009 23:48:34 GMT
What did you want us to do against Chelsea? Try and play to there levels? :-\ We nearly took 3 points away from there place regardless of what the stats show! .. I for one am proud of the lads today... I agree we need to start getting points/wins away from home but today was never a game I thought we were even in contention for getting anything from!!
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Post by dazthestokie69 on Jan 17, 2009 23:52:03 GMT
we opened up a bit at blackburn and even tho we were the better team for the first 30 minutes...we were actually 3-0 down. Remember we are playing against a team of world class players
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Post by Gods on Jan 17, 2009 23:58:25 GMT
Agreed Jazzy, if we got a point for every time we "very nearly got a draw" we'd be in the top half of the table now!
If every time we go away the opposition have 10 shots for every one of ours you don't need to be Einstein to work out we'll lose nearly every one. 3 points from 33 away kind of proves the point.
Oh well, upwards and onwards!
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Post by Gods on Jan 18, 2009 0:00:34 GMT
NB I'm not sure TP actually gives the order "just sit back today lads and trust to luck" I just don't think we are good enough to get a foot on the ball particularly against the better sides.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 18, 2009 0:00:35 GMT
What did you want us to do against Chelsea? Try and play to there levels? :-\ We nearly took 3 points away from there place regardless of what the stats show! .. I for one am proud of the lads today... I agree we need to start getting points/wins away from home but today was never a game I thought we were even in contention for getting anything from!! i agree with you , did not expect to get anything , but this was the best time to play chelsea . then going 1 up and conceding with minutes to go ! why cant we defend up at their corner flag ? i am fed up with people saying we nearly got this we nearly got that ! come may " nearly's "counts for nothing ! |
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Post by rfstokie on Jan 18, 2009 0:01:00 GMT
Do you want us to get battered every week?
And the stats today were misleading in the fact that probably half of their shots were long range efforts straight at Sorro or miles wide.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 18, 2009 0:04:21 GMT
TP's mentality and gameplan.
Pure and simple.
You either like it or not but sure as hell never going to change it.
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2009 0:05:17 GMT
I still think Plan A is the best way forward. The players believe in it and it was so close to giving us a famous victory.
We have recently played the three best teams in Europe and Plan A has allowed us to compete.
A forward pairing of Fuller and Beattie with Etherington and Lawrence wide midfield should give us the extra quality we need at home. Every home game from now on is a 6-point relegation battle. If we win them all we stay up. Draw some of them we go down.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 18, 2009 0:05:38 GMT
the only stats to be bothered about are : 2-1 --- no points --- time running out .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 18, 2009 0:07:56 GMT
I'm going to stick up for Jazzy a bit here.
Of course we couldn't really have gone to Stamford Bridge today and really have set up any differently.
However Jazzy's title to this thread is "why does he have us sitting back all the time" not "why did he have us sitting back today"
Some of the abuse he's getting here is a bit wide of the mark.
The fact of the matter is that we have managed to achieve 3pts away from home this season.
Against Liverpool and Wigan we set up the same way and managed to get a point from each by the skin of our teeth, quite how we didn't concede in either game was quite frankly incredible.
The other point we have got was against Newcastle, where as we were already 2-0 down by half time, we actually HAD to take the game to Newcastle and proved that we can actually play a bit and earned ourselves a great point.
The first half today reminded me very much of the Old Trafford game, but thanks to Sorro we went in level at half time, it was really down to a great goalkeeping display rather than our tactics that meant we were level come the start of the second half.
I don't see how it can be argued that our tactics away from home are working when we have so little to show for it.
Today was a fantastic effort from the lads and as I said earlier I don't think we really could have set up any other way.
However it's the remaining away games that we've got to look to now, and I'm not at all convinced that if we continue to play keeping it tight and hoping to nick somet on our travels, that we're likely to win any of our away games this season.
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