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Post by daverichards on Jan 11, 2009 9:42:46 GMT
It wouldn't be the end of the world to me, I have read some peoples comments saying he is indispensable, I disagree, he is a good player, and does have something to offer at this level. However i feel he is replaceable, and I am more than happy with the standard of strikers we are bringing in .
If we get Beattie, and the Aruna Dindane deal comes off, then he will be surplus to requirements in my mind.
Fuller is almost 30, has suspect knees (I think it is), a very suspect temperament, is far far too selfish, and I can't see him being happy to sit on the bench as an impact sub (which would be a good role for him, and about what his role in the team would be if these deals come off)
He is reportedly on £10K a week, so not the top earner at the club by a long way.
It is also well speculated on that many of the squad are not happy with his role in the Fuller/Griff bust up, or his subsequent punishment.
He's been a great player for us over the last few years, to many the one shining light in a sea of dross (a bit harsh its a team game, and it took the whole squad to get us up). However If we got a decent fee, say £3M or more, we should let him go as far as i am concerned. And if Pulis does sell him for that kind of money i will back his decision all the way, as he would only do it for the good of the club
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 11, 2009 9:50:03 GMT
Dave, feel the same - players come, players go.
Fuller has obvious talent but at 30 he's not going to improve and given his attitude and on field demeanor, now might be the right time for a parting of the ways.
Only problem is that there aren't going to be a queue of clubs lining up to sign a 'striker' who assaults the club captain, on-field in front of millions of TV viewers.
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Post by tazi on Jan 11, 2009 9:55:21 GMT
Totally gutted because Fullers role opens up endless options.
Fuller is a genius.
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Post by GazMcNicol on Jan 11, 2009 9:59:30 GMT
Given recent events I'm neither here nor there about him.
At the end of the day he's only scored 5 or 6 goals, if he was as good as we thought he was he would be in double figures.
We'd definitely need replacements in first, I still stand by what I've said before and think once Kitson gets one he'll get more, but we need more pace and quality up front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 10:01:32 GMT
Like you say Dave, it all depends on his replacement. At the moment, with the squad as it stands, he is pretty indispensible. If we were to bring in Beattie and A.N. Other (Harewood, Camara, Dindane (!) etc.) then if he was to leave, I wouldn't be concerned; especially if we got a good price for him. His petulance has caused him to sit out games on a number of occasions whilst he's been with the club, and if his attitude is starting to cause unrest, as has been rumoured, then all the more reason to move him on. That said, with the squad as it is, if he went and there were no replacement being brought in, then it would be pretty much accepting relegation - he is that important to us at the moment.
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Post by stockportpotter on Jan 11, 2009 10:02:15 GMT
great debate this one and one that i well and truly sit on the fence on as it would be such a tough decision to make.
yesterday Kitson worked as hard as fuller does in my eyes and he always got straight up when he got knocked over instead of spending the next 3o seconds getting off the ground and then getting back onside.
Fuller is a great impact player off the bench and to be honest that is how I would use him until his attitude changes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 10:06:19 GMT
Given recent events I'm neither here nor there about him. At the end of the day he's only scored 5 or 6 goals, if he was as good as we thought he was he would be in double figures. We'd definitely need replacements in first, I still stand by what I've said before and think once Kitson gets one he'll get more, but we need more pace and quality up front. Ric offers much more than goals - before etherington he was the only player we have with true pace and we know if we give him the ball to his feet he will carry it and threaten. The opposition are scared of him and he will hit double figures before the season is out. NO way will Kitson get moe goals than fuller if thats what you mean. I'd feel let down if he was sold without putting in a transfer request first. I thought he could not get another uk work permit anyway?? |
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 11, 2009 10:06:59 GMT
For me it'd really depend who we replaced him with. I don't buy the idea that Fuller is some kind of genius, and that you'd have to pay £10m to replace him. If it were true that he was that good he'd have been poached by a bigger rival, that is the way of the world. For all of his flashes of brilliance, he does still have faults.
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Post by Matthews dad on Jan 11, 2009 10:09:18 GMT
Sell him and buy Cameron Jerome  |
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Post by hatchett on Jan 11, 2009 10:11:29 GMT
Question is does Fuller want to play for us? I feel he would be bitter only being paid 10k a week when players around him are on 50 / 60% more.
He's been great for Stoke, but the player is a liability, when watching him I'm always waiting / worried to when he'll get booked or sent off,
Get Beattie in and sell Fuller - £3 mill would be a good bit of business.
I think when Kitson gets his first goal then the floodgates will open.
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Post by One-Two on Jan 11, 2009 10:12:53 GMT
if we get Beattie and one more striker, we will have Fuller, Kitson, Beattie, Mama, Unknown and Cresswell fighting for two places. Fuller, Kitson Beattie and Unknown will not be happy if they dont play so i think we need rid to bring in better class with better attitude
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Post by icelandpotter on Jan 11, 2009 10:15:41 GMT
I would be completely broken, and despite all his bad behaviour and negative points, I don't think I could forgive the management team.
It'd be the same feeling as when Stein, Peschi, Akinbiyi and Hoefkens were sold for me.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 11, 2009 10:15:42 GMT
I thought he could not get another uk work permit anyway?? The way I see it, is they wouldn't turn him down, people are basing this assumption he wouldn't get one on the Ruudi Austin debacle, Fuller is in a different category. He's not a new work permit, he's a renewal. Fact is that Ricardo has been here over 5 years, and is thus eligible for UK citizenship (he wants to retain his jamaican passport so hasn't applied at this time) so basically they almost can't turn him down, or he would just apply for UK citizenship and be able to carry on playing anyway, something I am quite sure he would do if is livelyhood was threatened |
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 11, 2009 10:20:16 GMT
I would be completely broken, and despite all his bad behaviour and negative points, I don't think I could forgive the management team. It'd be the same feeling as when Stein, Peschi, Akinbiyi and Hoefkens were sold for me. I'm suprised to see Stein and Akinbiyi together in that sentence, we won't even go into the sins of mentioning Stein and Hoefkens, and I reallly liked Hoefkens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 10:25:06 GMT
I thought he could not get another uk work permit anyway?? The way I see it, is they wouldn't turn him down, people are basing this assumption he wouldn't get one on the Ruudi Austin debacle, Fuller is in a different category. He's not a new work permit, he's a renewal. Fact is that Ricardo has been here over 5 years, and is thus eligible for UK citizenship (he wants to retain his jamaican passport so hasn't applied at this time) so basically they almost can't turn him down, or he would just apply for UK citizenship and be able to carry on playing anyway, something I am quite sure he would do if is livelyhood was threatened I don't know the rules tbh Their rankings have improved by the looks of it Currently sitting in 65th place www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html#confederation=0&rank=176&page=2 |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jan 11, 2009 10:27:56 GMT
I would be gutted....i would prefer in Mama left.
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Post by buddyfolly on Jan 11, 2009 10:29:15 GMT
i've never been convinced with fuller he has glass knees,has blistering pace ,a childs attitude,he has scored 7 goals so far and has been banned twice in 2 months once for hitting his captain on the field of play,moans at refs for the slightest thing,holds the game up by doing so,will not rush to get back onside when he has lost the ball and must be a nightmare to play with as he does not pass the ball.
the big issue for me though is TP has given him favouritism which the others will say they are happy with but deep down resent it,
and after the griff incident will think hes a complete nob.
the team spirit was immense yesterday it was refreshing to see some great football from us and i'm proud of that I hope he was watching and feeling a right tit and wondering how he would fit in with the tactics played,if the deals right let him go.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 11, 2009 10:33:22 GMT
with bigger name players like etherington and beattie here or on the way, the days of fuller having the managers favourtism are gone imo
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Jan 11, 2009 10:40:49 GMT
id like to keep him and use him as an impact player... when he's on his game, he can turn it on its head
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Post by frasiertruffles on Jan 11, 2009 10:44:12 GMT
Everyone goes at some point and after recent events, ie letting the side down big time at such a crucial point for the club now would possibly be the time to sell.
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Post by colourboy on Jan 11, 2009 10:57:45 GMT
after reading this thread, i am more inclined to think its ric being touted to go to shef utd.
in all honesty I would not be overly fussed either way but if we could keep hold of him for the rest of the season as has been said "an impact sub" then i would be most happy and also think that ric would do a very good job as that man. if his ego could take it.
Tough call, one I dont envy somebody making.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2009 11:01:31 GMT
I very much doubt that Fuller will be sold during this window, so I think the question is pretty much academic right now.
At the end of the season, we will have seen if there has been a change in his attitude due to recent events and how he has coped with competition for his place, and indeed whether that competition is actually any good.
I'll be able to give you a much better answer then.
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Post by whelan_6 on Jan 11, 2009 11:10:01 GMT
Imo fuller is our best striker,better than beattie if he signs.i'd like to see him with a bit of quality setting him up because he creates most things by himself.Granted though the bloke is a bell end but im prepared to let him off that if he keeps producing the goods.
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Post by millermay1968 on Jan 11, 2009 11:17:02 GMT
As thee say it depends on replacements,mind you he,s finally started to play cresswell in his proper position so i think he might struggle to get a place providing pulis dunner stick cresswell back on the wing which we all know its not his best position
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Post by luke45 on Jan 11, 2009 11:17:18 GMT
I agree i also regard Fuller better than Beattie, and ide be very disappointed if he left, but i'm not concerned, because he wont.
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Post by proudstokie on Jan 11, 2009 11:34:03 GMT
The fact is that if Fuller had have played yesterday, we maybe would have won. Cresswell works Aaaarrrrrrrrd but never looked like scoring and sometimes you need to allow for a players bad points if he will ge you goals and win you games, he is our top scorer and won us more points than lost us. Look at Drogba at Chelsea he is a pain in the arse but Chelsea are a better team when he plays and unless he staes that he wants to go I don't think Chelsea will sell him. Ric shouldn't have slapped Griffin although he deserved it, Griff has good distribution coming forward but defensively has a misatke in him every game and is not exempt from criticism because he is the captain. I wonder Ab FAye playing as imense as ever as captian and the solid displays of Wilko in recent games that we should be more concerned about seeing griff again on a regular basis. Wilko can progress and develop and he is at a godd enough standard already, griff can only get worse. Anyway back on track, for all those suggesting maybe Ric should be sold because we are bringing in supposedly bigger names remember how long it has taken Kitson to settle in, there are no guarantees a new player is going to come in and score 10 from now and the end of the season, we all know Ric can do this. We can't take that risk, not now. We need all the options we have got, also remember that if you take away Ric you take away half of mama and the other way around also. Verdict-Ric Stays. Thank you for all the pleasure you have brought to Stoke and my family and friends. Stoke Legend.
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Post by debaucherous on Jan 11, 2009 11:39:06 GMT
I'd be gutted... First of all what's the point in buying new strikers and selling the best one we have at present? Shouldn't we be building on the good players we have already? Secondly, he's a legend and I'd hate to see him leave.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 11, 2009 11:42:37 GMT
I'd be absolutely fuming. I have to say my anger would be so raging that I would probably kill several people.
BOOTHER LOVES RICKY FULLER
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 11, 2009 11:43:19 GMT
unless there is dressing room conflict beyond repair, there is absolutely no value in us selling fuller.
BTW i was under the impression he signed a new contract this time last year - i would be surprised if he is only on £10k
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Post by Mozzaa on Jan 11, 2009 11:44:30 GMT
Depends who we get in, if we get rid of him & for example Lita is his replacement I would be pissed off, but if it was someone like Dindane I wouldn't mind really
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