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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2009 11:45:21 GMT
it all depends on what TP & the players think of Fuller after the west Ham fiasco
if its all sorted & (& this is a big &) Fullers attitude is still right then keep as the impact sub
could well be atht Fuller wants to go now & could well be he has pissed every one off if thats the case then he should go now.
guess I'm sitting on the fence
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 11:49:36 GMT
Like it or not, he's still our 'main man' and his departure would signify our almost certain return to the championship
even though he's a complete pain in the arse TOO -hes given plenty of premiership defenders a nasty shock so far - its unthinkable we get rid (IMHO)
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 11, 2009 11:49:47 GMT
proudstokie. Fact is that if Ric had been fit yesterday, Cressy would still have played because it would have been Kitson who would have made way.
Edit - Uk - our certain departure would only crystalise if we failed to sign an adiquate (better) replacement
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Post by griffoisalegend on Jan 11, 2009 12:06:16 GMT
GUTTED beyond gutted.
He's our talisman and he's given us so many great moments, he won't leave, i know that for a fact.
But as i say, i'd be verging on tears.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 11, 2009 12:13:44 GMT
Would love to see him with proper service from Etherington, instead of having to chase into the corners himself.
Coates says he's going nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 12:15:31 GMT
Just think how much more effective any striker would be with decent service -that Goes for Rick TOO -and plainly we've just made a major step forward in that departement - I look forward to a fit Liam Lawrence and Matty running right and left at our opposing teams
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Post by Do eet for Eetinneriseet on Jan 11, 2009 12:21:35 GMT
Gutted,hes our best player by a country mile Got to keep him or else hello again championship. We have very little goal threat without him The buzz in the ground when hes on the ball going forward, you wont get from the likes of Beattie or Lita ,fooking Lita Got to keep him,simple as
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Post by apb1 on Jan 11, 2009 12:25:45 GMT
Not happy
We need up to 5 quality strikers - Cresswell would just about be a 6th choice one - to get the points we need.
I would say Mama, Fuller, Beattie, Kitson and one other (perhaps a younger guy from top club) would be fine as the first 5.
As others have said, IF he is now seen as a bad influence, or if we get someone with his ability to run at defences, then he may go, as things stand now, he is a key player in the run in.
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Post by skidog on Jan 11, 2009 12:25:54 GMT
I believe that we haven't seen the best of fuller yet.
Yes he is infuriating but i put that down to the standard of player/support that he has had to endure. Think about it, what happens when he receives the ball, instantly surrounded by two defenders, however, he he had a couple of decent strike partners that the opposition also had to keep an eye on then that alone would create more space for ric and then we would see his goals tally improve no end ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 12:27:43 GMT
prick
(to the post originator)
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 11, 2009 12:31:28 GMT
Fuller's pace and strength are one of the things that enable TP to play his preferred way. Without Riccy and Mama plan A doesn't really work so we become toothless going forward or forced to play a bit closer to each other through the midfield and involve the wide players more as we saw yesterday. This gives the new players like Kitson and Etherington more of a chance which isn't a bad thing, however Plan A at its best, ie. with Riccy and Mama, is still an effective way for us to go at times. I would be gutted to see Riccy go because I believe we need as many options as we can get in our play. We should be looking to use Fuller's pace alongside Kitson, as well as with his workhorse and minder Mamady. Getting rid of players we know can play for our team and in our league and replacing them with those who might be able to is a gamble I'm not sure we're in a position to take. I do think Beattie would be good option for us t a sensible price but not if it means losing Riccy, Kitson or Mama.
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Post by rabbigan on Jan 11, 2009 12:31:51 GMT
Totally agree with Ilford. It would seem he is possibly a disruptive influence off the pitch and his total lack of discipline on it leaves me thinking he either does not care about the consequence of his actions (needless bookings , sendings off, abuse of team mates) ,or he just does not think. Either way I find it difficult to forgive. If you start forgiving that sort of behaviour you soon get a player who believes he is bigger than the club , and no club can allow that.
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Post by proudstokie on Jan 11, 2009 12:33:32 GMT
MrMagic fair point i did not contemplate Tone's loyalty to Cresswell. However even if Ric had played instead of Kitson I think we would have had more of a goal threat yesterday. Kitson was was promising but he seemed to lack that yard of pace yesterday just come back from injury perhaps not match sharp a little like liam. When Ric and cresswell played up top againts Fulham at least Ric put a chance on a plate for cresswell. I feel sorry for Cresswell, he works hard and gives everything but this isn't good enough for us at the moment. I'm not sure what his role in the team is, he defends well from the front.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 11, 2009 12:48:02 GMT
Fuller is crucial and will be even better if we bring in more players of the calibre of Etherington.
What a joy it was to watch a genunie winger get the ball and run with it. He lost it sometimes, but he got up and had another go.
Liverpool doubled up on Etherington yesterday, and if Fuller played, what would they have done then? Add Lawrence into the mix, and a firing Kitson, and we would have 4 genuine forward options who could wreak some real havoc.
I am not sure about Beattie to be honest but am convinced that Etherington is the answer to our prayers. We mixed it up far more yesterday and against the lesser sides, I think we will start to look much better than we have done previously.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 11, 2009 12:55:54 GMT
Fuller's good, attitude stinks at times, only 6 goals to his name this season............. ........if he was replaced by someone who was scoring for us on a more regular basis, we'd soon have a new hero....... ........but we'd HAVE to get that type of player in first!!!
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 11, 2009 13:02:44 GMT
I'd miss
his flair and his ability to create something from nothing
I wouldnt miss
When he gets tackled he sits on the floot with his hands in the air, ronaldo esque His moaning at referees his diving his moaning when a mama header doesnt reach his feet or he runs a different way to the flick on, its never his fault his walking...sorry strolling back into an onside position his susensions normally over stupid bookings
if he goes he goes, i think when playing with wingers and another decent CM, then Kitson could be mre of a goal threat than fuller anyway
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Post by Trubritt on Jan 11, 2009 13:09:48 GMT
I'd be very disappointed if fuller went ,IMO kitson is not premiership class i watched him yesterday and again on my tape and the more i have seen him the more i can not understand why TP signed him' he's not a typical TP player, he may give effort in his play but to me he lacks enthusiasm in saying that proud of every Stoke player yesterday
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 11, 2009 13:17:54 GMT
I'd be very disappointed if he went. If we swapped him for say Dindane then OK but if we swapped him for say Beattie then we've just lost the one bright spark that can turn a game on his own. I can put up with our style when it's based on getting results against better teams but Rici always gets me on the end of my seat and always give me the feeling we have a chance when it's looking real tough.
Be a sad day when he goes in my eyes
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Post by nonameface on Jan 11, 2009 14:12:02 GMT
Good post this is.
Fuller is a player who you know exactly what your going to get: He will try his best to create moments of magic to open up defences. There will be times where you are ripping the hair out of your head hoping he'd pass the ball. He will do things that no one else in our team can do. He will winge and if things don't go his way, you may aswell bring him off as he ruins the team.
Love or hate him he's a player that right now we need. When we have moved forward and can keep the ball more and don't need a striker to create something out of nothing then I'd ship him out at the nearest opportunity....until then he should start every game possible with big Mama.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 11, 2009 14:19:14 GMT
It'll be a very sad day when he goes.
He was the single biggest reason we went up, and if Pulis wouldn't have hit the jackpot with his greatest-ever transfer, I think we'd still almost certainly be in the Championship. Everyone saw his awesome ability at PNE, and Pulis has coaxed him back to his very best and he's had 3 years without knee trouble. We're now reaping the benefit, and I think he's now a very good Premier League striker, who can do things that many more touted and costly strikers can obly dream of.
Unless there's been a major players revolt against him, post-Griffin, I don't think Pulis would give a Fuller sale the time of day.
I think the work permit debate is possibly a red herring though. He'd definitely get one on appeal.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 11, 2009 14:23:16 GMT
Let's just see how the dust settles post Wet Sham in 10 days or so eh, I think TP's hoping it won't seem such a big deal. But I'm not sure Ric's ever going to be so important to us again now whether he stays or not. And I certainly can't see him being such an iconic figure anywhere else, so if he knows when he's well off he should patiently try and play his way back in. If he knows the meaning of the word patient that is ;D
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Post by Mav on Jan 11, 2009 14:24:43 GMT
We dont need Griffin, we do need Fuller.
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Post by Scanner on Jan 11, 2009 14:27:04 GMT
good original post Dave and must admit i agree (well a little) it looks like our squad is now making the steps to becoming a regular Premiership team ,and i still can't believe were being mentioned with some of the players we are (then again I'm still in shock we got Hendrie and Berger on loan:D). Would Fuller with his attitude and temperament get a regular start for Fulham, Sunderland or even Blackburn ??? Hope he does stay and im sure he will but I've a feeling his role is about to change and we'll have to see if he can/wants to cope with that.
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Post by 339187 on Jan 11, 2009 14:37:27 GMT
Ay up Dave Have to agree with you in general; also lordb makes good points. A trrific player when he wants to be; but seems to me he's too high-maintenance, too much the prima donna. If the tales can be believed, TP lets him get away with too much shyte (late for training, etc.) which is not good and to TP's discredit (much as it pains me to criticise TP ) Get good £ for him, buy a good replacement and get Mama back, and it'll be, Ric who? ;D We art Stoke.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 11, 2009 14:42:56 GMT
Get good £ for him, buy a good replacement and get Mama back, and it'll be, Ric who? ;D We art Stoke. Would we get 'good money' for him though, 33? We'd get decent money for him, but as he supposedly can't pass a conventional medical with his knees and is thus uninsurable, is approaching 30 and is as temperamental as they come, I can't see anyone paying the kind of fee that would reflect the kind of package he can offer Stoke City for the next couple of years.
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Post by Stokester on Jan 11, 2009 14:45:44 GMT
Gutted, he is a top class player and regardless of temprament can change a game. We have very little flair in our team and without Fuller we would be extremely predictable!
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Post by daverichards on Jan 11, 2009 14:50:12 GMT
Mr. 33 , old racoon tail himself, hows it going bud, how many games have you got to see on the TV over your way ?
And what are you thoughts on our progress fella
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 15:38:11 GMT
answering the original poster in a more constructive manner we would certainly be mad to get rid of Fuller at such an important time I read the editorial comment in yesterdays oatcake and you couldn't really argue with it However, I am a big Fuller fan and in my opinion by far the best we have at the moment. His attitude has to change I don't particularly like Kitson but admit he didn't do bad yesterday, some very nice touches but still doesn't look like scoring ok we could sell Fuller for 3.5mill and get Beattie for 6 mill, great business if Beattie proves a flop There has to be a second striker scoring goals so if we signrd Beattie as well and he became a prolific scorer then maybe we could get rid
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Post by bigboots on Jan 11, 2009 15:40:36 GMT
id be gutted. He's got that bit of magic which would be near impossible for us to replace.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 11, 2009 15:45:37 GMT
most of all, fuller makes watching stoke enjoyable even when we're hopeless - he's the only player we have capable of creating something from nothing. maybe the team would still be capable of staying up without him, but it would take just that little bit of excitement out of following stoke.
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