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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 20:32:05 GMT
Someone throw him a fish for fcuksake.
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Post by RAF on Dec 16, 2008 20:36:40 GMT
Sadly Vordemong, you have scraped the barrel with that chezza too many times. Time for you to toddle off. You've ruined this thread as it is.
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 20:37:37 GMT
Did I say ALL players??? And where did I mention Hull in my comments about players not playing. It strikes me as the only people who are persistantly bringing up Hull are those that claimed their signings were rubbish in August.
Anyway. My point is, that we have spent a lot of money given our history (up to this season) of generally spending little, on three players who are not really featuring. Tonge Whelan and Soares are not really getting in very often. Whilst Tonge and Soares may or may not have been panic buys, we chased Whelan for ages.
So did we get it wrong with these 3? Can we be confident that whatever players we bring in in Jan will improve things?
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 20:49:27 GMT
So, everybody on the thread has been comparing us to Hull, but when you show that they are wrong, well I never, it ain't about Hull anymore! Whelan was signed in January by the way. You have to look at what other teams are doing to make any sort of fair comparison, but let's face it you don't want to make a fair comparison.
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Post by suttontiger on Dec 16, 2008 20:51:15 GMT
It would be interesting, I'd guess they were both on at least 40-50K + signing on fee. If you added in what they will have had to pay Mendy, Stelios, Cousin, King and McShane to go there they've probably spent MORE than we have. Eh? Nobody at Hull are on anything like that. I understand Geo is the highest paid on about £20k per week
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 20:54:16 GMT
It would be interesting, I'd guess they were both on at least 40-50K + signing on fee. If you added in what they will have had to pay Mendy, Stelios, Cousin, King and McShane to go there they've probably spent MORE than we have. Eh? Nobody at Hull are on anything like that. I understand Geo is the highest paid on about £20k per week OK, tell us seriously when you count all of the signing on fees plus transfer fees how much you have spent since the end of the season?
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Post by scfctilly001 on Dec 16, 2008 20:55:17 GMT
3m thats a load of crap
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 20:55:50 GMT
So, everybody on the thread has been comparing us to Hull, but when you show that they are wrong, well I never, it ain't about Hull anymore! Whelan was signed in January by the way. You have to look at what other teams are doing to make any sort of fair comparison, but let's face it you don't want to make a fair comparison. Wrong - I was asking a question. My comments were not about Hull although maybe I didnt make that clear. My comment is about the fact that we paid decent money this year for 3 players that cannot get into a side that includes Danny bloody Pugh! Why? Are Tonge, Soares and Whelan no good? If so why did we buy them? Is Pugh better than them? Either way my point (badly made) is that whatever amount we spend, it is no guarantee that they will make the side. The thread was about how much Pulis may have to spend.
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Post by th05 on Dec 16, 2008 20:57:02 GMT
Surely not, I was hoping for around 10M.
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 20:58:41 GMT
Like I said above Hull have based their success THIS season on using most of the same players as last season, Hull have bought a lot of players as well most of whom can't get in the side. Soares and Whelan have time on their side, Whelan played enough games last season he has to earn it as does Soares as did Shawcross, why put players in just for the sake of it?
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 21:01:20 GMT
I guess so - it's just frustrating that the players who probably slot into the "creative" bracket are the ones that play a little less.
Supporters seem to think that we will go out and spend between 3 and 12m on loan and player fees for a striker, one or two creative midfielders and another centre half. I don't share that confidence when we've got more creative players than those that generally play in the squad already.
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Post by suttontiger on Dec 16, 2008 21:03:36 GMT
Eh? Nobody at Hull are on anything like that. I understand Geo is the highest paid on about £20k per week OK, tell us seriously when you count all of the signing on fees plus transfer fees how much you have spent since the end of the season? Unlike you, I'm not privy to the signing on fees our players received. If you notice, all I said was none of our players are on anything like £40-£50k per week
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 21:05:30 GMT
How many times have we had knee jerk reactions to signings? Sidibe from hate figure to hero, people complaining about Fuller being another crock Pulis signing, Lawrence regularly slagged off, Decrap and on and on, give them a chance and in the meantime it isn't as if the players who have played are doing too badly at the moment anyway, what do some people honestly expect?
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 21:06:37 GMT
Oh I get it, you know exactly what they earn but have no idea of signing fees, very convenient. OK, tell us seriously when you count all of the signing on fees plus transfer fees how much you have spent since the end of the season? Unlike you, I'm not privy to the signing on fees our players received. If you notice, all I said was none of our players are on anything like £40-£50k per week
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Post by RAF on Dec 16, 2008 21:09:31 GMT
That will be why only 4 players who played us last season , started against us this season for Hull then?
Well at least he didn't try and make them up like you mongo!
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 21:09:35 GMT
I'm not slagging players off!!! Surely you can see what I'm saying even if you disagree with it? It's not cast-iron that we will bring in replacements who slot in straight away, for whatever reason.
I know I made the Danny Pugh comment, but come on that's hardly slagging the lad off. He wasn't a first choice last season, and I only used it to illustrate the above point.
In fact, other than Am Faye, I'm happy with every signing we've made this season, and the Faye thing is irrational on my part, I've just never liked him.
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 21:12:47 GMT
You know how it goes though, Soares comes on for 10 minutes and plays well, there then follows a clamour to have him in the side, then he plays from the start and does nothing, and people start saying he is shiite and a waste of money.
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Post by suttontiger on Dec 16, 2008 21:14:13 GMT
Oh I get it, you know exactly what they earn but have no idea of signing fees, very convenient. Unlike you, I'm not privy to the signing on fees our players received. If you notice, all I said was none of our players are on anything like £40-£50k per week My info come from a local radio interview with Paul Duffen, who pretty much said it was around that figure. I'm not 'in the know'. Tell me how you have come up with these ridiculous figures?
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 16, 2008 21:14:30 GMT
How many times have we had knee jerk reactions to signings? Sidibe from hate figure to hero, people complaining about Fuller being another crock Pulis signing, Lawrence regularly slagged off, Decrap and on and on, give them a chance and in the meantime it isn't as if the players who have played are doing too badly at the moment anyway, what do some people honestly expect? I don't think its unfair to say that our signings this summer have been underwhelming at best. Abdoulaye Faye has been a rock, as have Soro (a free transfer!) and Higginbotham. Soares has shown glipses of ability, but has been marginalised rather than encouraged, and Tonge, despite excellent sub outings is confined to the bench. The jury is still very much out on Olofinjana, Kitson, Davies, Amdy Faye and Sonko. So to clarify, we have c.£5m worth of proven talent, and about c.£17m worth of players who either haven't been played, can't play (injured - Davies), or have been very underwhelming (Oli and Kitson in particular). Thats the facts AGSF.
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 16, 2008 21:14:45 GMT
OK, tell us seriously when you count all of the signing on fees plus transfer fees how much you have spent since the end of the season? Unlike you, I'm not privy to the signing on fees our players received. If you notice, all I said was none of our players are on anything like £40-£50k per week Well i'd be surprised but even if you paid him say 1 million signing on fee if you've not got him on about 20g a week now you've got yourself a little bargain
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Post by RAF on Dec 16, 2008 21:15:22 GMT
It's quite simple. He made them up.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 16, 2008 21:16:18 GMT
And another fact, Hull have speny more wisely than us.
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 21:21:19 GMT
Oh I see, the reason most players these days sit out their contracts has absolutely nothing to do with getting obscene signing on fees, these figures are in the ball park of what they will have been paid, or do you think they were all attracted by the chance to share a sun-bed with Phil Orange? Oh I get it, you know exactly what they earn but have no idea of signing fees, very convenient. My info come from a local radio interview with Paul Duffen, who pretty much said it was around that figure. I'm not 'in the know'. Tell me how you have come up with these ridiculous figures?
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Post by dazthestokie69 on Dec 16, 2008 21:21:21 GMT
stoke will spend loads more than that in January. £6m on Ledley for a start
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Post by slangking on Dec 16, 2008 21:22:40 GMT
And another fact, Hull have spend more wisely than us. Please let us know who you'd have apart from Geovanni and King? I still wouldn't swap who we signed for theirs and still believe they will go down before us.
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 21:23:35 GMT
And another fact, Hull have spend more wisely than us. Please let us know who you'd have apart from Geovanni and King? I still wouldn't swap who we signed for theirs and still believe they will go down before us. Do you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa as well??? ;D Edit - missed the smiley off to indicate I'm not being a twat!
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Post by suttontiger on Dec 16, 2008 21:24:35 GMT
And another fact, Hull have spend more wisely than us. I think we have both done ok. Abd Faye and Sorensen look good signings for you. Its easy to say now, but Kitson always looked way overpriced, as did Olifinjana. The one we got wrong was Gardner. He looked class when he played, but he's always fookin injured! Hardly surprising given his history, fortunately we found Zayatte
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 16, 2008 21:25:06 GMT
And another fact, Hull have spend more wisely than us. Please let us know who you'd have apart from Geovanni and King? I still wouldn't swap who we signed for theirs and still believe they will go down before us. Hull have achieved much more than us, having spent about a quarter of what we have. Credit where credit is due AGSF.
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Post by markscfc72 on Dec 16, 2008 21:25:16 GMT
i think we will spend somewhere between 10-15m
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 16, 2008 21:26:51 GMT
And another fact, Hull have spend more wisely than us. I think we have both done ok. Abd Faye and Sorensen look good signings for you. Its easy to say now, but Kitson always looked way overpriced, as did Olifinjana. The one we got wrong was Gardner. He looked class when he played, but he's always fookin injured! Hardly surprising given his history, fortunately we found Zayatte In seriousness, you have to take some of the pricess paid with a pinch of salt. If you go up clubs are bound to want to hammer you for fee's, so if you really want a player then you often have to pay over the odds.
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