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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2008 12:50:44 GMT
A poor replica of Salif who IMO is way past his best anyway, I just can’t see what he offers the team, we have better players that will give us better options constantly warming the bench. Gouranga.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Nov 30, 2008 13:46:31 GMT
Like whelan you mean tatlock ??? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2008 13:47:41 GMT
A poor replica of Salif who IMO is way past his best anyway, I just can’t see what he offers the team, we have better players that will give us better options constantly warming the bench. Gouranga. As much as I am loathe too I have to agree with you.
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Post by shiny nosehair on Nov 30, 2008 13:47:01 GMT
Concur unfortunately
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 30, 2008 13:48:35 GMT
Amdy to bench, Glenn to starting XI, seems simple enough to me...
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2008 13:49:17 GMT
Whelan isn’t any better than Amdy, its like saying Smallpox is better than Cholera. Gouranga.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 30, 2008 13:52:01 GMT
He was quality against Rotherham - ok ok I know you're going to say so what, but given the choices we have right now he's way more creative than Amdy imo
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2008 13:59:55 GMT
Danny Pugh was far better than Whelan in the Rotherham match and scored a better goal, he passed the ball forward not just square and backwards he was willing to hold and run with the ball. I’m not suggesting we should pick Pugh but IMO he’s ahead of Whelan in the pecking order. Gouranga.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 30, 2008 14:01:42 GMT
I just knew I wouldn't get lucky with Albert agreeing with me twice in one day ;D
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 30, 2008 14:16:00 GMT
tough tackling midfielder and breaks up the play well. with hull starting with 3 hard working center midfielders whelan would never have any space for any creativity
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2008 14:21:02 GMT
Pugh, whilst being consistently average on the left, actually produced two eye-catching displays in the middle, against Newcastle and Watford, the kind of which Whelan has't managed in his time at Stoke.
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 30, 2008 15:30:40 GMT
Cannot see what qualities Amdy has that warrant his inclusion in the team at all. Salif has been shocking recently, bu Amdy makes Salif look like Steven Gerrard.
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Post by stokecity4life on Nov 30, 2008 15:34:01 GMT
Oly is better tham Amdy IMHO although i can see what Amdy brings to the team.
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Post by walrus on Nov 30, 2008 15:38:08 GMT
Amdy does not deserve the negative response he gets from some people on here. He is good tackler a reasonable passer and pretty good in the air.
The problem is when Amdy and Salif (who IMO has been very good this season) are played togeter the midfield offers very little going forward.
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2008 15:46:39 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a team play with two players like Diao and Faye in midfield, for me you play one or the other, but not both, and especially not at home, I know it worked well in the Arsenal game but that appears to have been a one off, it just doesn't work. I suppose Pulis' thinking is that we don't play through midfield when attacking anyway, so he puts two tackler in there.
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 30, 2008 15:50:57 GMT
Amdy does not deserve the negative response he gets from some people on here. He is good tackler a reasonable passer and pretty good in the air. The problem is when Amdy and Salif (who IMO has been very good this season) are played togeter the midfield offers very little going forward. Have to disagree. The passing of both Salif and Amdy was woeful yesterday. Even R Stokes' usually positive pundits said they had to cover their eyes every time Salif got the ball. Amdy was even worse. We are never going to play a traditionally "creative" man in the middle, but we need to put a tackler in who can actually start play off as well as break it up.
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Post by stokie32 on Nov 30, 2008 15:54:08 GMT
delap in the middle with diao and soares and tongue on the wings
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2008 15:55:58 GMT
I think half the reason for the poor passing is that they have no outlet, there's not a lot of movement in the midfield at all, so Salif often ends up dallying on the ball for to long and sometimes gets caught out, I think we need a rethink in midfield, hopefully couple of new faces in jan will sort this out.
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 30, 2008 15:57:32 GMT
I'd like to see how Delap does in the "sitting" midfield role instead of Salif. He's played in defence so you'd think he'd be up to it. I'd then like Lawro to return in a central role for the winnable home games
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2008 16:05:55 GMT
Anyone know which dimension Olofinjana, all £3m of him, is supposed to be be offering when he does play?
It's frustrating when you think that we've spent approaching £9m on two players who are seemingly incapable of being the cogs in the Pulis machine that we need them to be.
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Post by nathan on Nov 30, 2008 16:24:28 GMT
The calls for Whelan are understandable as there appears to be a desperate need for someone to get in the midfield, put their foot on the ball and distribute the ball accurately.
The problem is that Stoke's "back six" (the four defenders and two cm's) try to stay together as much as possible. They don't allow much space in between meaning there is little space for the ball to passed in midfield and 95% of the time our only option is the long ball. Personally, whilst I am not particularly impressed with either of the two cm's currently in there, I don't see the merit of picking Whelan, whom is patently obvious is unsuited to the system, unless there is a drastic change in tactical approach. That will never happen.
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2008 17:03:49 GMT
Pulis demands players who keep their concentration and play to his game plan. If players can't do this then they don't play any more. Pulis is our manager and he has got us to a solid start in the Premiership - we might as well trust his judgment as he sees far more of the players than we do. Pugh, Whelan, Soares, Cort, Oli are all Championship players who are struggling to fit in with the pattern we have developed for the Premiership. As soon as we can attract players with more quality they will be gone, otherwise they are squad fillers.
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Post by kingdeano on Nov 30, 2008 17:11:56 GMT
i can see the point in faye away from home, because him and diao break things up and make us solid, but at home it simply doesnt work, out the two id drop diao, we could even push delap in the middle and play with tongue and soares on the wings, but thats too difficult for our manager, he likes his back 6 too much
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2008 17:18:12 GMT
Tonge and Soares have done little to convince me that they are long term Premiership players. Anyone can impress on their debuts - remember John Tudor
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Post by stokemark on Nov 30, 2008 17:24:41 GMT
I thought Faye (Amdy) had a decent game yesterday and I totally AGREE with the comment that Salif and Amdy together simply doesnt work. Both are capable of doing the same sort of job be we really need something different and I am very sad to see £3m of player warming his arse on the bench.
Olofinjana has been a poor signing and it does seem the wolves fans were bang on re: his inconsistency.
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2008 17:31:57 GMT
A Brian Talbot type of player who drives forward from midfield is what we need. However, such players are rare and cost a lot of money!
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Post by jay1610 on Nov 30, 2008 20:09:36 GMT
Pugh, whilst being consistently average on the left, actually produced two eye-catching displays in the middle, against Newcastle and Watford, the kind of which Whelan has't managed in his time at Stoke. I agree with you, Newcastle was a cracking performance from Pugh. His omission from even a place on the bench has been harsh IMO. Whelan is also deserving of a decent chance to show what he can do aswell though.
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Post by jarhead on Nov 30, 2008 20:10:28 GMT
Amdy was the better out of the siamese twins in the middle where Diao was a joke,he is slow,leggy,distribution awful,shooting...lets move on here,just wank!!!
Out of the two it would be Faye with Whelan at home in certain games with Tonge left with Delap right.
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Post by jay1610 on Nov 30, 2008 20:15:32 GMT
At home I wouldn't play either jarhead, AM Faye has only played well v Villa. If Lawrence was back I'd have Delap CM as the destroyer and give Olofinjana or Whelan the other slot and Tonge left wing.
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Post by Gunslinger on Nov 30, 2008 20:18:03 GMT
Pugh, whilst being consistently average on the left, actually produced two eye-catching displays in the middle, against Newcastle and Watford, the kind of which Whelan has't managed in his time at Stoke. Pugh has been superb when he has played in the centre midfield, lightyears better than Amdy Faye and Olifinjana. I just can't understand that Faye/Olifinjana is being selected before him. I haven't seen that much of Whelan playing for Stoke, but he's been good in the international games I've seen.
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