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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 12:16:56 GMT
It's not cheating though is it?
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 12:20:08 GMT
It is hard to understand as I have said before where was the cheat? Hurst genuinley thought the ball was over the line the linesman thought he saw the ball over the line that is not cheating? Marijuana used his hand he knew he used his hand his intention was to gain advantage by doing this. Thegoal was given he cheated the officials I think that is simple to understand? Actually... as said above ..... the ref admitted he got it wrong What's your point? The ref/linesman got it wrong. How does that makes us comparable cheats to Maradona. We didn't knowingly do anything to fool the officials ... he did.
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Post by RAF on Nov 20, 2008 12:20:54 GMT
I'll tell you why it's bollox. Before I lived in Scotland, I always wanted them to win their matches in all sports aslong as it wasn't against us, and I know many similar minded Englishmen like me who had the same ideals. That was until my friends and myself witnessed first hand what a bunch of brainless, nasty, vicious bastards the jocks are on their own turf against the English. We have been physically assaulted, verbally abused , threatened etc just for being English. And god help you if you want to wear your England top, expect to be spat on or punched at will. Now, I live in London and see many Scottish shirts being worn, I have not once myself punched one of these persons, spat on them or called them a jock cuntbag, and neither have I witnessed anyone else do this to them either. The flag last night at the Scotland game 'Thanks for 86' pretty much sums up the petty minded inbred scumbags.(not all I hasten to add, but most) That is why it is bollox.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 12:27:30 GMT
Actually... as said above ..... the ref admitted he got it wrong What's your point? The ref/linesman got it wrong. How does that makes us comparable cheats to Maradona. We didn't knowingly do anything to fool the officials ... he did. Sigh.... just trying to put a little light hearted banter in. If you want to be serious then actually the linemans cheated as he knowingly allowed the goal even though he saw that it did not cross the line. Especially at a time when the Germans were pushing forward and gaining a foothold in the match. But it's all in the past and it's only the knuckle dragging Red Top media (in germany too) who keep dragging this and the war up
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 12:30:33 GMT
I'll tell you why it's bollox. Before I lived in Scotland, I always wanted them to win their matches in all sports aslong as it wasn't against us, and I know many similar minded Englishmen like me who had the same ideals. That was until my friends and myself witnessed first hand what a bunch of brainless, nasty, vicious bastards the jocks are on their own turf against the English. We have been physically assaulted, verbally abused , threatened etc just for being English. And god help you if you want to wear your England top, expect to be spat on or punched at will. Now, I live in London and see many Scottish shirts being worn, I have not once myself punched one of these persons, spat on them or called them a jock cuntbag, and neither have I witnessed anyone else do this to them either. The flag last night at the Scotland game 'Thanks for 86' pretty much sums up the petty minded inbred scumbags.(not all I hasten to add, but most) That is why it is bollox. H I'm one of those fellow englishmen you mentioned RAF who also always wanted Scotland to do well. However when we are surrounded by Scots who openly support Argentina, Germany, France etc whenever we play them you eventually think "why the fuck am i doing this?" Plus they openly do it in our faces and pretend 'its friendly banter' but we all know it isn't. So now i go along with their ideas of wanting them to fail ... but as i say i have no reason to other than their hatred of us. As you say, imagine walking into a pub in England in a Scottish shirt and yes you'd get some piss-taking but you'd probably escape with no broken bones or covered in phlegm. If you did the same in Scotland you would be in much more trouble. I only know 2 good things i know of to come out of Scotland ... 1.) Frankie Boyle 2.) A scottish guy i know who lives in my town and openly admits to hating his fellow scots as they are all such biggoted, hypocrits.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 12:31:48 GMT
What's your point? The ref/linesman got it wrong. How does that makes us comparable cheats to Maradona. We didn't knowingly do anything to fool the officials ... he did. Sigh.... just trying to put a little light hearted banter in. If you want to be serious then actually the linemans cheated as he knowingly allowed the goal even though he saw that it did not cross the line. Especially at a time when the Germans were pushing forward and gaining a foothold in the match. But it's all in the past and it's only the knuckle dragging Red Top media (in germany too) who keep dragging this and the war up Oh OK sorry fella. In that case yes the linesman cheated. Fuckin' Ruskies .... wankers the lot of 'em
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 13:58:27 GMT
RAF
In my original post I said that the jocks dont like the english so your experience living in scotland doesn't suprise me one bit. My arguement was that it worked both ways and the english hated the scots just as much. I have had many a crackin night out in glasgow with no mither whatsoever. If you choose to walk round scotland with an england shirt on then thats up to you, what point are you trying to prove by doing that? Also, keep in mind you live in London which is a pretty culturally diverse place full of different races, whereas if I chose to wear a scotland top for a night out up hanley then id probably get spat at / beat up etc..... If the english dont hold grudges then why does terry butcher refuse to shake maradona's hand for something that happened 22 years ago? As I said it works both ways but some are just too stubborn to admit it.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 14:00:29 GMT
Sigh.... just trying to put a little light hearted banter in. If you want to be serious then actually the linemans cheated as he knowingly allowed the goal even though he saw that it did not cross the line. Especially at a time when the Germans were pushing forward and gaining a foothold in the match. But it's all in the past and it's only the knuckle dragging Red Top media (in germany too) who keep dragging this and the war up Oh OK sorry fella. In that case yes the linesman cheated. Fuckin' Ruskies .... wankers the lot of 'em Lol.... of course!!! If it wasn't for them cheats..... we'd have also won the war
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 14:30:04 GMT
So Akinbadbuy .... explain to me why in Euro 96 i was cheering Scotland on hoping they would do well and i was 24 years old. Wasn't out and about in the big wide world as i grew up in a little village so i was unaware the Scots hated us with a passion.
What do you think that the Scots have done to me in the last 12 years for me to change my mind. They haven't invaded or opressed me so all it is is because i've woken up and smelt the coffee and realised it was a completely one way street.
The difference i believe is we are allowed to grow up and make our own minds up about the Scots while kids up there are almost educated to hate us.
Perfect example was the young kid with the sign last night "thanks for '86"
For fucks sake he probably wasn't even born in 1986 so who is telling him to do that ... his parents.
In summary i "truly" believe this ....
The Scots 'hate and despise' us while we only 'dislike' them and YES ... only because they hate us. I'm still waiting for the reason why Scots people think we hate them but they are all quick to tell me my reason is bollocks.
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Post by RAF on Nov 20, 2008 15:50:51 GMT
Not true, The Scottish in the most part are brought up to hate the English by their parents. They have this massive 'Braveheart' chip on their shoulder! I'm not trying to prove any point, apart from my right to wear my England shirt without fear of reprisals from bigoted wankstains. Well Aberdeen is fairly culturally diverse, full of different races, however they don't tolerate England shirts, I'll tell you that for nothing. As for going up Hanley and getting spat at or beaten up, jesus you don't need a Scotland top for that, just happen to stare at someone inadvertantly , or ask someone to stop swearing in front of your kids seems to do the trick aswell, if posts on here are anything to go by. And while you are at it take a look at this link and think how many times this has happened to a Scottish child in England? A seven year old and a disabled man assaulted by a man in his 20's how very fucking braveheart! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5101184.stmH And you know what, after all that, I still don't feel the need to buy a football shirt of a team playing Scotland in any competitions.
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Post by MUZZPERTH on Nov 20, 2008 16:18:27 GMT
The difference i believe is we are allowed to grow up and make our own minds up about the Scots while kids up there are almost educated to hate us. as a jock, you have hit the nail on the head and i am embarrased to admit so. i am proud to be scottish but also british.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Nov 20, 2008 17:28:10 GMT
Oh OK sorry fella. In that case yes the linesman cheated. Fuckin' Ruskies .... wankers the lot of 'em Lol.... of course!!! If it wasn't for them cheats..... we'd have also won the war hey.. question for you german stokie... as you bought the war up in conversation... i work for a german company, and i was over there close to November 11th, and i was wearing a poppy. all my german colleagues didnt know why we wear them... i didnt like to ask (maybe career limiting ) but dont you guys remember your dead like we do?
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 18:38:58 GMT
RAF Theres no right or wrong here. You are speaking from your experiences and im speaking from mine. Guess its a difference of opinion and we'll have to agree to disagree.
As for the link you posted of the disabled man and his son. A few points id like to make regarding that. Yes that act is absolutely disgusting and has no place in any society. Dont try and make out that there are only bigots in Scotland though as there are bigots in every country including england. The story is from June 2006 so its hardly recent either. Im sure if I trawled through the depths of google looking for similar stories of scotland fans being beaten by english thugs I could find a fair few myself. After all, England fans hardly have the best reputation do they!! In fact, Scotland supporters are known for their good behaviour at tournaments, unlike england who for some reason seem to find trouble wherever they go! The story centres on a mindless thug who has absolutely nothing to do with Scottish football or its supporters. If you think thats a fair representation of scottish society then your wrong.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 18:45:28 GMT
The difference i believe is we are allowed to grow up and make our own minds up about the Scots while kids up there are almost educated to hate us. as a jock, you have hit the nail on the head and i am embarrased to admit so. i am proud to be scottish but also british. Wow thanks fella, that's mighty big of you to admit it. Thing is with all the 'generalistic' views i have on nations, races and cultures i give every 'individual' as much respect when i meet them as i would anybody else .... a lot will be exactly as i expect them to be which is where my views come from but no individual gets pre-judged on my views and i've got a few Scottish friends who are great but like you they are willing to admit Scottish hatred goes a lot deeper than ours. I posted these yesterday but it was in the morning so lots of people at work may have missed them. One of the best stand-up sets i've ever seen and hopefully even Scottish people can laugh at it, recorded in Glasgow.
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Post by crimesy on Nov 20, 2008 19:00:05 GMT
why do the jocks always go on about Braveheart as well and shout about there hatred for England.. do they not remember the part where the English have finally had enough and behead the bloke ??? my dislikening for them grows as i get older they also claim for the bagpipes and Kilts but from what iv'e read neither are originally Scottish ?? Rant Over. ;D
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Post by RAF on Nov 20, 2008 19:27:25 GMT
I didn't try and make out anything of the kind.
That is not the point and it's hardly ancient.
I'm sure you could, but that is not the subject of the thread is it?
When Scotsmen come onto this thread and actually admit that they are brought up to hate the English, I think it verifies what I am talking about. Not all Scotsmen are the same, but in the most they certainly hate the English at a different level than the other way around.
Sounds pretty much like football to me.
If you think different then fine, but you are in the minority.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 20, 2008 20:13:20 GMT
"Maradona stands by 'Hand of God' Argentine football hero Diego Maradona has said he is unrepentant about using his fist in a controversial goal against England in the 1986 World Cup. Speaking on his TV show, Maradona said the intervention, which he nicknamed "The Hand of God", was justified.
"The truth is that I don't for a second regret scoring that goal with my hand," he said on the programme. The footballer apparently defended his goal as his response to Britain's claim to the Falkland islands. He said he wanted to let Argentines and the whole world know the truth about a key moment in football history.
Maradona scored the goal by punching the ball into the net during a jump as goalkeeper Peter Shilton leapt into the air towards the ball.
Argentina won the match 2-1 thanks to a second, impressive goal scored by Maradona, and described by England coach Bobby Robson as "a miracle". The South American team went on to win the World Cup that year.But that first Argentine goal will remain among the most controversial episodes in football history.
From the referee's angle it looked as though Maradona had headed the ball into the back of the net. After scoring during the quarter-final match, Maradona said the boys came over to celebrate.
"They were quite timid. They came over to embrace me but it was as if they were saying: 'We've robbed them'," he said. "But I said to them: 'Whoever robs a thief gets a 100-year pardon.'"
The player was apparently referring to the Falklands War, fought unsuccessfully by Argentina against the UK to take control of the islands it claimed as its own."
And that's why it's linked to the Falklands.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 21:26:15 GMT
Lol.... of course!!! If it wasn't for them cheats..... we'd have also won the war hey.. question for you german stokie... as you bought the war up in conversation... i work for a german company, and i was over there close to November 11th, and i was wearing a poppy. all my german colleagues didnt know why we wear them... i didnt like to ask (maybe career limiting ) but dont you guys remember your dead like we do? We do remember our dead but unfortunately not as nationalistic as the British do. Unfortunately over the years, the thought of celebrating our dead was overwhelmed by the constant re-enforcement of the fact that we as a nation should feel guilty for the war. This was evident in the interwar years (1920s-30s) when we were punished (too harshly in my opinion) and then after WWII. Although it was pretty cordial in the British Sector, The Soviets, the americans (on a lesser scale) an especially the French ensured that we paid for "our crimes" and suppressed any notion of celebrating our forces like the British do. Over time it has almost become a taboo to remember our fallen in such a way outside the Regimental get togethers, apart from singular expressions by the chancellor or other senior politicians in towns. I often wish that they would celebrate the soldiers in Germany as prolific as they do in england............. after all they were soldiers too and I am proud of all soldiers serving their countries with courage and integrity.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 20, 2008 21:31:35 GMT
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 21:37:32 GMT
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 23:00:51 GMT
RAF
If you think that scum is a true supporter then thats your business only. I dont think id be in the minority in condeming that kind of behaviour. Are you saying then that you and the majority of other people would say he is a true supporter?? What planet are you on? You find one article from years ago and automatically all scotland fans are scum?
Jog on lad!
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 20, 2008 23:19:17 GMT
Scotlands a bag of shite.
It never gets light in winter
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Post by Hiram on Nov 21, 2008 9:18:50 GMT
Maradona scored the goal by punching the ball into the net during a jump as goalkeeper Peter Shilton leapt into the air towards the ball.salmon like leaping from Shilton...
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Post by RAF on Nov 21, 2008 10:13:33 GMT
You were the one that said it had nothing to do with football , I just proved that it was. I never suggested for a minute that all Scotland fans are scum, and this discussion isn't just about Scots football fans either though is it? I have suggested from the start that the Scottish hate the English more than the other way around from the start. Your attempts to circumnavigate your way through the minefields you have lead yourself into have blown what little an argument you had wide open. I suggest instead of 'Jog on' that you move on, your argument with me holds no water. Until you have been an Englishman living and working in Scotland you don't have a clue.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 21, 2008 11:07:43 GMT
RAF
I havn't got any arguement with you, just a difference of opinion. The fact that you worked in Scotland doesn't make what you say gospel does it. It is your opinion. Half my family are from Glasgow, so I think ive got the right to comment on this having spent alot of time there over the years myself. It is you who feels the need to post links to old articles to try and back up your point. I don't need to do that as I am confident in what I am saying. There are idiots on both sides of the border, and posting an article about one such idiot is not a true reflection on scottish society in general. If you feel the need to walk round Aberdeen wearing an England shirt to try and prove a point then thats up to you. Let me guess, is it because you are "proud to be english". Come on, I presume you are older than 16. That is what I used to do when I was a kid, and even then my dad would tell me off for looking like a scruff walking round in a football shirt.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 21, 2008 11:58:32 GMT
Akinbadbuy .... can i ask you this question "one last time" please as you keep telling me what rubbish it is but then never answer me when i ask you for an alternative.
I "generally" dislike Scottish people for no other reason other than the hatred towards us that they just can't hide. Loads even live in England and yet openly go around slagging us off which is the bit that annoys the English the most.
My reason for disliking Scots is "totally based on the fact that they hate us with a passion". According to you this is "utter rubbish".
Please tell me why i don't like Scots then so when the next time i'm asked i can give a more appropriate answer.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 21, 2008 19:21:23 GMT
Trumpton I cannot answer that question for you. Your feelings are your feelings. All I can say on the matter is that my Dad is Scottish, born and raised in Glasgow. I (his son) have not been raised to hate the english. In fact all of my friends are english, my girlfriend is english and half my family are english. When it comes to football my Dad obviously supports Scotland. He does not go round saying england are scum or any other bollocks like that. Why is he like that? Well probably because he is a responsible adult with half a brain, unlike the morons who choose to pick fights with someone just because of who they support or where they are from. As I said in an earlier post, there are idiots on both sides of the border not just scotland. You just choose to beleive all scots are anti english because that is the stereotypical generalisation that is painted living in england. In fact, doesnt everyone hate the english?? Muslims, blacks, scottish, welsh. Its rubbish, nothing more than a myth. I honestly think alot of english people want to be hated, they like being hated as it makes them prouder to be english. Theres no point debating this any more as we will never agree on it. Anyway, im off to the pub with my scotland shirt on to bully a few of my english mates and tell them why i hate them so much. Tara!
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Post by RAF on Nov 21, 2008 22:18:43 GMT
I didn't feel the need to walk around Aberdeen to prove any point thankyou. I just thought it would be nice not to be the subject of histerical bigotry by a bunch of inbred morons in a supposed civilised society and as my National team were playing that day I thought that is was appropriate to show my support. As for being over 16, clearly your IQ can't be if you are suggesting that no one over the age of 16 should not be wearing football shirts. In fact I suggest you stand outside the Brit on Satdee and tell everyone how scruffy they look and see what they say to you. I'll say it again, as you clearly haven't listened to a word I have been saying. I do not dislike the Scottish in general, I have many Scottish friends I have met through the years in the Forces. What I will say is that all of them were brought up to hate the English, that is an undisputable fact, and where football is involved they still do hate England with a passion I cannot fathom. Your father is obviously the exception and not the rule, like I have said it's not all Scots that hate the English, just the majority. I know other coutries have equally bigoted *****, but this thread was about the Scots, if you wish to discuss other countries start another thread.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 22, 2008 1:30:51 GMT
RAF
Ok i'll wear my Scotland shirt in our Town Centre next time Scotland play. Im sure I will be welcomed with open arms!!
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Post by french toast on Nov 22, 2008 1:44:32 GMT
at the start of the year i was working away in scotland when we played the swiss and this scotish bloke came in the bar(the only one in the town) after the game and mentioned that were wank becuase we didnt qualify for 08 to which i replyed scotland were exactly the same
he then turned to me and said "im glad i aint english because you let all the pakis in and there is a mosque on each corner" to which i replyed "yes but there is one race that we wont allow in this country" i then laughed he didnt know what to fooking say, i then told him that he can fook off because we english are taking his jobs too that is why i am here lol, soon after he left the pub
i hate the scottish and the germans, any form i write out that says nationality i write english because that is what i am
fook you all, im gonna start to use the millwall song for stoke and england because it works for both
oh and germany would never have won even if the 4th had not gone in we were still 3-2 up and getting a foothold in the game doesnt mean you would have scored now does it
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