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Post by blurtonboy66 on Nov 19, 2008 23:47:01 GMT
classic Ooooh man, I luurrvvve de cake...
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 19, 2008 23:55:43 GMT
nothing that happened 26 years ago sway your decision?
No. Not one bit. That conflict was effectively two bald men fighting over a comb. 26 years ago was lots of young men killing each other. To relate that to football is degrading to their memory.
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Post by boothenender on Nov 20, 2008 0:34:31 GMT
old saying... my enemies enemy is my friend.....
scotland is a third world country,inhabited by ignorant,biggoted,ginger haired
cross dressing poofters ....
maradona,paul gascoine both fantastic football players....
both turned out to be a complete waste of space....
argentina will regret making maradona the national coach....
he will let them down and he will always be a cheat...
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 0:37:20 GMT
Maradona being coach is destined to end miserably but his appointment is uderstandable. Him just being there will inspire his team.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 1:11:10 GMT
It works both ways lads beleive me. I am half Scottish (my dad is Scottish, mum is english) I have seen both sides of the arguement many times before. Some of the comments on this post sum it up really. Yes, the Scots generally don't like the english, no one can deny that. BUT The english generally don't like the scots either and yet alot of english people will never admit this. You will frequently hear comments from english folk like "we dont mind the scots, we just hate them because they hate the english". That is utter rubbish!!Might be utter rubbish in your eyes but that is the only reason i have a problem with a lot of (not all) Scots. I remember hoping we would beat Holland by 4 goals in Euro 96 so the Scots would go through. When they scored their goal i was disappointed as i used to be supportive with all the Home Nations. Since those blissfully ignorant days i've opened my eyes and ears and realised that we're despised by most Scots (Irish & Welsh aswell). I'm not going to try and say why as i'm sure they all have their own reasons but it's hard to like people who openly detest you. I've got no reason to dislike Scots for any other reason than ... If it's good enough for you fellas .... it's good enough for me.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:14:55 GMT
scfc75
What is the point in them starting in the blue square? That would never happen. The only way celtic and rangers will ever join the prem is for money reasons. They both have 50-60k at home and sell out whenever they play away. Can you please give me one reason why starting them in the blue sq is a good idea? English arrogance maybe???
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:22:24 GMT
Trumpton potter
My point is that english hate scots just as much as scots hate english. You can try and kid yourself that it is one way traffic but you are wrong. All this we only hate the scots cus they hate us is total bollocks. Vale fans hate stoke, but because they are now pretty much irrelevant most stoke fans arent bothered about vale. You either like someone or you dont. You cant say you wanted scotland to go through but changed your mind on the opinion of a few morons. You either want them to go through or you dont!! Make up your own mind and dont be swayed by the opinions of idiots.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 1:23:21 GMT
Can you please give me one reason why starting them in the blue sq is a good idea?
No not arrogance. Because when you joinj a new league system you start at the bottom like FC United and AFC Wimbledon did.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 1:25:57 GMT
scfc75 What is the point in them starting in the blue square? That would never happen. The only way celtic and rangers will ever join the prem is for money reasons. They both have 50-60k at home and sell out whenever they play away. Can you please give me one reason why starting them in the blue sq is a good idea? English arrogance maybe??? Perhaps .... OR They'd be new teams in the league and why the fuck should 2 teams who would normally get promoted from the Championship, or 2 extra teams getting relegated from the premiership, make way for them. Scottish arrogance maybe?
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:26:58 GMT
Joeinoz
You are speaking as a typical fan here. Can you honestly see that happening? Like I said if they ever did join it would be for money purposes only. That is the only way they would ever get in, so why on earth would the fa start them in the blusq? It would never happen mate. The premiership is about one thing only, money.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 1:30:23 GMT
Can you honestly see that happening?
No. I can't see the old firm ever joining the Premier league or the English pyramid anywhere for that matter. The issue raises it's head every few years then goes away. It's as far away now as it was when this daft notion was first suggested.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:30:49 GMT
Trumptonpotter They'd be new teams in the league and why the fuck should 2 teams who would normally get promoted from the Championship, or 2 extra teams getting relegated from the premiership, make way for them.
I'll tell you why....... Because celtic and rangers would generate 10 times the money 2 promoted teams from the championship would. I can see your point in principal, but the fat cats at the fa will not see it like that. Money talks!!
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 1:35:10 GMT
Whats the timeframe? When will this happen then? Today?Tomorrow? Sometime? Never?
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 1:36:09 GMT
Trumptonpotter They'd be new teams in the league and why the fuck should 2 teams who would normally get promoted from the Championship, or 2 extra teams getting relegated from the premiership, make way for them. I'll tell you why....... Because celtic and rangers would generate 10 times the money 2 promoted teams from the championship would. I can see your point in principal, but the fat cats at the fa will not see it like that. Money talks!! There's certainly something to be said for that but i'm with JoeinOz, i just can't see it happening. There would be uproar from the public and with the bitterness between the English & the Scotch the threat of trouble would probably worry them aswell.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:36:45 GMT
Joeinoz
I agree mate. It does seem a daft notion, and celtic and rangers at this point in time need the premiership more that it needs them. But, As the premiership becomes ever more commercialised teams like celtic and rangers become ever more attractive. Remember they are the 2nd and 3rd most supported clubs in Britain. That is something that will not change and something the fat cats at the fa will clearly know. With support like that comes big money and more importantly makes the premiership a bigger commodity to the masses. You need to think as an fa boss rather than a stoke fan here.....
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 1:39:56 GMT
Joeinoz I agree mate. It does seem a daft notion, and celtic and rangers at this point in time need the premiership more that it needs them. But, As the premiership becomes ever more commercialised teams like celtic and rangers become ever more attractive. Remember they are the 2nd and 3rd most supported clubs in Britain. That is something that will not change and something the fat cats at the fa will clearly know. With support like that comes big money and more importantly makes the premiership a bigger commodity to the masses. You need to think as an fa boss rather than a stoke fan here.....Fuck that! I'll stick to being a Stokie and then just moan like buggery if/when it happens
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 1:42:26 GMT
Trumptonpotter
I dont think there would be that much uproar from the public. A stronger league is better for everyone involved. At the moment the big 4 walking the league every year is quite frankly boring to most. The old firm would add a different dimension to the premiership. A stronger premiership also means a stronger england national side. I really cant see any negatives here, apart from a few bitter english patriots who say the jocks have no right in OUR league. Whats the point??
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 1:45:30 GMT
The thing is it's been mentioned off and on for about fifteen years and it's no closer now than it was all those years ago.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 9:07:25 GMT
The English are bitter? lol
To be bitter you need to be hanging on to a grudge or something similar. Well i can't think of a single reason "why" i don't like the Scots apart from hearing them slag us off all the time.
If bitterness is something you want to talk about then we need to go back to some battle donkey's years ago. I'm so disinterested in it i don't even know when it was. When my kids grow up i'm sure they won't dislike the Germans as much as i did and my dad before me but i had no grandfathers because of them so i feel i've got 2 good reasons to be bitter. My kids won't miss out on anything because of the Germans so they won't care as much.
How long are the Scots going to keep hanging on to it? I can see who the bitter ones are and because of their bitterness i think there would be a public outcry.
Lets's get a feeling....
Who WANTS Rangers & Celtic straight into the premiership?
I'm a no .... Fuck off and play in your own tin pot league.
With me or against me fellas?
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Post by goodjobson on Nov 20, 2008 9:28:21 GMT
Did you see those sad, sad jocks this morning on ssn? Waving their flags with 'thanks for 86' on them.
It must be desperately sad to follow a nation who's only goal is to frustrate and piss off the nation next to you. Morons.
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Post by RAF on Nov 20, 2008 9:33:32 GMT
Having lived there twice I feel I am qualified to comment , and not just about football and what you have said above Akinbadbuy is a complete and utter load of bollox.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 9:45:39 GMT
I have to admit his retort after the match was every bit as class as his indivdual goal against us. All week it has been about Butcher and his snub.
After the match he said he shook the hand of the Scotland manager, "who is Butcher" ???
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
As much as I hate him that was pure genius ;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 10:06:09 GMT
The comparisons are all there to be seen.
New Zealanders hate the Aussies. Canadians hate the Americans.
Small neighbour syndrome i think.
The hatred going the other way is just reciprocated out of good manners ... like an annoying little tick buzzin' around .... just needs swatting away.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 11:13:17 GMT
Trumptonpotter The English are bitter? lol To be bitter you need to be hanging on to a grudge or something similar. Is Terry Butcher not bitter then by refusing to shake maradona's hand?? Is he not "hanging onto a grudge" as you put it??
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 20, 2008 11:16:57 GMT
RAF
Hows it bollox? Why did someone feel the need to even start this thread if they were not anti scottish? Why have so many commented that they hate the jocks if they are not anti scottish?
"We only hate the jocks cus they hate us" Utter bullshit!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 11:20:20 GMT
I hope Celtic and Rangers never join the Premiership. It's disgusting to think that a team finishing in a promotion place might not be able to join the league because one of those bastard teams wants to join the gravy train.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 11:32:39 GMT
I hope Celtic and Rangers never join the Premiership. It's disgusting to think that a team finishing in a promotion place might not be able to join the league because one of those bastard teams wants to join the gravy train. I would love to see em playing CCC football within a year ;D Imagine Celtic v Swansea, Rangers v Cardiff in an English second tier League ;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 20, 2008 11:59:09 GMT
RAF Hows it bollox? Why did someone feel the need to even start this thread if they were not anti scottish? Why have so many commented that they hate the jocks if they are not anti scottish? "We only hate the jocks cus they hate us" Utter bullshit!![/b][/size] How the hell do you have any idea why i dislike the Scots ... very arrogant as per usual. Well give me a reason why i don't like the Scots then please because apart from that i'm stumped. I thought i had a brain and an opinion of my own but thanks for letting me know that you know my thoughts better than i do. Sidders - Yes i agree Butcher was a penis and just making himself look very petty but he was making a point against Maradona not Argentina and he has a grudge that 'directly relate to him personally'. How does some battle from fucking years ago 'directly involve any Scots living today'? It doesn't. If Butcher came out and openly said he hates all Argentinians then your point would be a good one but he didn't so it's a weak argument in this case.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 12:14:01 GMT
If anyone's to blame it's the ref and linsemen not Maradona. Do we ever hear the last of "the ball was never over the line" from the Germans and Jocks? No. Fuck them, if they can complain so can we. Ah... but it was report a few days ago that the linesman admitted that he got the decision wrong and thought at the time "Ah well........ I am in england!!!"
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 12:16:10 GMT
It is hard to understand as I have said before where was the cheat? Hurst genuinley thought the ball was over the line the linesman thought he saw the ball over the line that is not cheating? Marijuana used his hand he knew he used his hand his intention was to gain advantage by doing this. Thegoal was given he cheated the officials I think that is simple to understand? Actually... as said above ..... the ref admitted he got it wrong
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