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Post by bobafett on Aug 18, 2008 13:51:04 GMT
Not saying he played well by any stretch but he was not the worst player on saturday. Ryan Shawcross was at fault for the 2nd and 3rd goals but seem's exempt from any critisism on here.
you can't just blame the players you don't like!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2008 13:52:39 GMT
Griffin-2 seasons of poor performance and crappyness and nobody knows why he's in the team. Whereas Shawcross has had one mare and is young and will hopefully improve.
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Post by Davef on Aug 18, 2008 13:53:58 GMT
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Post by God on Aug 18, 2008 13:55:12 GMT
Griffin was shocking and has been for a while.
It's just a one off (hopefully) for Ryan.
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Post by RAF on Aug 18, 2008 13:55:45 GMT
No he's not and he hasn't been.
The truth is, Griff is supposed to be
A- Our Captain
B- The player with the most Premiership experience.
On Saturday he was neither a Captain nor Premiership player.
I think Pulis should also shoulder some of the responsibility as he is the only person that thinks Griff is a better right back than left back and what the fucking hell Wilko was doing at leftback I'll never know.
How ever, only one game down, I'm sure TP had his reasons.
Lets hope he doesn't have those reasons again and we get some more quality in the door this week.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Aug 18, 2008 13:56:28 GMT
Shawcross is a young lad with a lot of potential who has to find his feet in this league. Griffin has spent most of his career in the premier league, proven with 3 other clubs that he isnt good enough and was quite possibly the worst player for Derby in the first half of last season. I dont see how you can make a comparison. If Shawcross plays along side an experienced defender like Faye he should soon be a better player. Griffin is shit and always will be.
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Post by Stokie86 on Aug 18, 2008 13:59:33 GMT
Griffin certainly is NOT captain material! I'm not sure if anybody else noticed but when he gave the free kick away that lead to their third goal, he just slumped his head down and slowly trotted back, without giving any sort of orders to the other lads! Get Lawrence as the captain Tone!
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Post by DannyStokie on Aug 18, 2008 14:03:41 GMT
Lawrence for Captain, it's got to happen. The difference he makes is unbelievable.
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 18, 2008 14:05:13 GMT
What i found worrying on Saturday was that Griffin was yet again very poor and nowhere near Premiership class, not even close, and yet out of the starting four defenders, he was second best!! Shawcross had a very bad game and needs to up the ante very quickly, and Wilkinson was dire. On top of that, Cresswell IMO was also worse than griffin
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Post by jonnyp on Aug 18, 2008 14:09:08 GMT
Regardless of how poor he was on Saturday (and IMHO he was very bad) there is no excuse for some of the abuse which has been handed out. At the match in particular some of the verbal handed out towards him by the morons around me bordered on pure hatred. It was almost like they thought he was playing poorly on purpose. As someone who manages a lot of people at work, that is not the way to get the best out of people!
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Aug 18, 2008 14:11:18 GMT
Wouldnt have Lawro for captain, he needs to concentrate on his game, an old head, Delap preferably, needs to don the band.
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 18, 2008 14:14:24 GMT
Regardless of how poor he was on Saturday (and IMHO he was very bad) there is no excuse for some of the abuse which has been handed out. At the match in particular some of the verbal handed out towards him by the morons around me bordered on pure hatred. It was almost like they thought he was playing poorly on purpose. As someone who manages a lot of people at work, that is not the way to get the best out of people! Agree 100% mate. The character assassination is completely uncalled for, especially for someone who has in the psat been such a good player for this club. However, sentiment must not rule over common sense and sadly Griffin is no longer premier class and to be honest struggled last season |
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Post by RAF on Aug 18, 2008 14:18:20 GMT
There is absolutely no need for players to be booed regardless of how they are playing.
Places like this are where frustrations should be vented.
Before the internet people would discuss this kind of thing down the pub.
Now it's done on a bigger scale on the net it shouldn't mean anything should change, and I disagree that what is written on here is counterproductive to the players.
It's booing and abusing them on match day that does the harm and if people can't see that then they are thick as dogshit.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Aug 18, 2008 14:32:42 GMT
I agree, I can't stand booing and abuse to our own players, Griffin didn't have that bad a game and he wasn't at fault for any of the goals (i'm not saying he was great either!). But if what is said is true about the abuse at the game it's going to continue unfortunately.
It can't be great for Griffin, he's struggling for form and confidence and he's got to put up with that. Maybe he's not up to the task, but maybe with Faye and Davies he'll play better, you never know.
Still, I remember reading an article (independent or times a few years ago) about every team having a boo-boy and the reason for it. Every team has one and I think it's now Griffin who's going to come in for that stick unless he scores a few winners.
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Post by DodgyDino on Aug 18, 2008 14:33:52 GMT
I like Griff but theres no doubt he does struggle just like he was last season, He isnt the only one so doesnt deserve to be singled out. We are in dire need of a leader on the pitch and i honestly dont see one in our current squad. We desperatley need a new Gerry Taggart.
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Post by kidsgroovy on Aug 18, 2008 14:38:40 GMT
Why have Griff's performances dipped? Is he carrying an injury? Lack of confidence? Distractions of captaincy? He used to be so reliable; tough tackling, swashbuckling, assured, intelligent. He's still not that old and for the life of me I can't figure out why his performances have been mediocre at best for such an extended period.
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Post by Northy on Aug 18, 2008 14:41:07 GMT
I like Griff but theres no doubt he does struggle just like he was last season, He isnt the only one so doesnt deserve to be singled out. We are in dire need of a leader on the pitch and i honestly dont see one in our current squad. We desperatley need a new Gerry Taggart. hopefully abdoulay faye will stand up and take charge back there. |
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Post by scfc147 on Aug 18, 2008 14:41:18 GMT
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Post by RAF on Aug 18, 2008 14:43:38 GMT
He has looked suspect since Charlton away last year.
I don't think it's anything to do with an injury, I just think it's more to do with the fact he is getting older, he is off the pace and can't seem to read the game like he used to.
It's a damn shame, I like Griff, but we can't afford passengers this year , he either needs to buck up sharpish or be prepared to be dropped.
The one saving grace for him at the moment is , we don't seem to be in abundance of fullbacks that TP actually trusts.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Aug 18, 2008 14:44:55 GMT
I think he's had a few niggling injuries so hasn't been 100% fit for a while, on top of that the Derby move could not have been good for his confidence. The problem is that he needs 4/5 solid games but in the Prem that's going to be difficult.
He's ALWAYS been a better left back than right back though. Maybe the left side on his brain is slower than his right ;D
The other option is to drop them and make them fight for their place in the team but I really can not see Pulis putting Griffin on the bench. It'll be interesting to see where he puts Davies though, then with Faye there's 2 places less at the back.
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Post by DodgyDino on Aug 18, 2008 14:55:04 GMT
I like Griff but theres no doubt he does struggle just like he was last season, He isnt the only one so doesnt deserve to be singled out. We are in dire need of a leader on the pitch and i honestly dont see one in our current squad. We desperatley need a new Gerry Taggart. hopefully abdoulay faye will stand up and take charge back there. Well thats what i was hoping but someone said on a previous thread that he needs a leader along side him  |
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 18, 2008 16:20:52 GMT
Not saying he played well by any stretch but he was not the worst player on saturday. Ryan Shawcross was at fault for the 2nd and 3rd goals but seem's exempt from any critisism on here. you can't just blame the players you don't like! Got nothing against the fella ... he seems like a very nice bloke to be honest. He's just not the athlete he once was and that is the issue most Stokies have with him now. He's just too damn slow and even though he's so small he's just not agile anymore. Nothing personal - just the harsh truth. |
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Post by kidsgroovy on Aug 18, 2008 16:23:58 GMT
Why has he lost his pace though? I'm 33 (older than Griff) and still am the fastest bloke in Kidsgrove over 10 yards 
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Post by Winge on Aug 18, 2008 17:15:13 GMT
Stick!! Wait till Saturday caus if he plays like he did at Bolton there will be no where to hide at the full, Brit!!
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Post by 4372stokie on Aug 18, 2008 17:21:47 GMT
Griffin IS taking too much stick.. however i do think he is not playing well. when he was on loan to us i thought he looked the best full back i had seen at stoke for years. He needs to improve on current form though.
Shawcross is class! Yes he had a nightmare on Sat. Yes he looked like a rabbit in headlights..but because he is class he will come through and get better..he needs games and experience thats all! how long do we wait? well thats what Pulis is paid for. if he is dropped now then that game will be on his mind and when he does return he will possibly even more nervous!!
trust him! form is temporary, class is permanent.
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Post by caine on Aug 18, 2008 17:21:48 GMT
Not saying he played well by any stretch but he was not the worst player on saturday. Ryan Shawcross was at fault for the 2nd and 3rd goals but seem's exempt from any critisism on here. you can't just blame the players you don't like! Hmmm after looking at this tiltle of this thread im trying to string a sensible answer....hes wank! QPR last year away, he was a clown he made them look like brazil! I agree there was 4 players standing still for there 2nd and 3rd goals but come off it Griffin was the weakest player sat by a country mile!!! |
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Post by Oatcake Andy on Aug 18, 2008 17:25:46 GMT
Griffin IS taking too much stick.. however i do think he is not playing well. when he was on loan to us i thought he looked the best full back i had seen at stoke for years. He needs to improve on current form though. Shawcross is class! Yes he had a nightmare on Sat. Yes he looked like a rabbit in headlights..but because he is class he will come through and get better..he needs games and experience thats all! how long do we wait? well thats what Pulis is paid for. if he is dropped now then that game will be on his mind and when he does return he will possibly even more nervous!! trust him! form is temporary, class is permanent. Couldn't have put it better myself. Too many posters getting carried away. I think Griff deserves a chance to play at left back before we judge him too harshly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 17:27:33 GMT
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Post by caine on Aug 18, 2008 17:30:37 GMT
Play him at left back you serious? Its his pace that makes him such a crap player doesnt matter if he plays linesman he still wont keep up with the back four.
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Post by n01stokie on Aug 18, 2008 18:52:49 GMT
griffin wasn't that bad Shawcross was woeful. Just because he is young an inexperienced is no excuse
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