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Post by mumf14 on Dec 21, 2007 2:20:01 GMT
Or did he take the money and run..?
Was he worth all the admiration bestowed upon him in the light of Shawxross's signing until the end of the season and Fullers contract extension.?
You decide....Lively debate..Oooo er..>?
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2007 2:33:16 GMT
I don't know BUT my guess is that Hoefkens got the offer from WBA, Pulis wasn't too fussed about keeping him so was sold. Thats football it happens.
From what I saw and knew of Hoefkens I liked him as a player but the manager has to build the team he wants.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 21, 2007 3:10:33 GMT
Or did he take the money and run..? Was he worth all the admiration bestowed upon him in the light of Shawxross's signing until the end of the season and Fullers contract extension.? You decide....Lively debate..Oooo er..>? What have Fuller and Shawcross got to do with it? And what Joe said, pretty much. |
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Post by vientianescfc on Dec 21, 2007 4:06:13 GMT
Took the money and legged it. He was a regular starter only at that little spat when he went away on international duty did he not have a place. Speculation I know but - maybe there was a bit of a dressing room rift with other players also as since he's gone the team spirit seems to have gone upwards no end . . who knows!
Let face it as TP said his defensive side wasn't the best, sure it's all good and well getting forward but when you're a defender you need to erm defend also! Hoefkens admitted TP helped him improve his defensive skills as lets face it he wasn't the best defender when he arrived!
I think the Fuller and Shawcross remark is based on the 'no one wants to play for TP' comments made previously.
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 21, 2007 6:56:03 GMT
Couldn't agree more Vientiane
The club said he already held talks behing their backs and he knew exactly what WBA were ofereing-TP said had no intention of meeting his demands and rightly so
He's history forget him
'Let face it as TP said his defensive side wasn't the best'
Remember him getting destroyed v Sheff Wed on boxing day
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 6:59:20 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that he was edged out and the reason being that he possibly just didn't figure with TP's vision of perfect unity. I have no doubt he probably liked Carl as a player and person but TP seems to look for much more in a player too. TP is always stating that as well as ability any player he picks needs to fit in with the team unit and so on that belief I just dont think he saw Carl as a part of that Unit. I may be miles off the mark but thats what I think  |
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Post by vientianescfc on Dec 21, 2007 9:03:07 GMT
Come on now chaps! All this agreeing is getting dull!  ;D If this had been posted on the other board it would instantly had 10 replies saying Pulis forced him out because he couldn't kick the ball high enough or because he crossed the halfway line .. .. followed with a PULIS OUT . .. .  |
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Post by polofrance on Dec 21, 2007 9:11:04 GMT
Vientiane
Strange isn't it, perhaps all those spammers wern't Stokies after all then, now they don't know where we are.
polo
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Post by Godo on Dec 21, 2007 12:14:22 GMT
Mumf - you are just a shit stirring muppet who ought to get a hobby - can I suggest actually attending football matches at the club you purport to support would be a good start. Who knows a bit of outside contact and you might get the confidence to actually get a job.
Polo - yes it's obvious - all of those non attending nonStoke fans would have an opinion on a Stoke player. Anybody who DID actually attend could see from Pulis's body language his dislike for Hoefkens.. ..at least selling him must have saved us a fortune in cracked drinks bottles. Anyone who thinks Wright is a better player than Hoef is quite clearly a clueless qunt.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2007 12:43:52 GMT
"Former City favourite Carl Hoefkens is expected to return after shaking off recent hamstring trouble, and Pulis told last night's meeting: "I hope he gets a decent reception because he did smashing for us.
"For all that people say about us, we got on fine and I'll be the first to meet him in the corridor to welcome him."
Hoefkens also said there was no problem. Where's the problem?
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Post by CraigWally on Dec 21, 2007 12:49:35 GMT
For me the problem is that he's been replaced by a clearly inferior player - who's hardly ever fit and on higher wages.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 21, 2007 12:56:19 GMT
'Anybody who DID actually attend could see from Pulis's body language his dislike for Hoefkens.. ..at least selling him must have saved us a fortune in cracked drinks bottles.' ;D
nail/head
wasn't he dropped because he had a baby in the week before the match. wasn't he also 'rested' because he must have been tired after playing in Belguim against Kazakhstan in mid week. that usually doesn't happen with players who are thought as invaluable to the manager. didn't lawrence play the next day after being up all night with his wife after she had their baby?
he forced his way back in the side and always showed 100% commitment and didn't let the team down, and that's why it became difficult to drop him. but when the chance came to sell him, Stoke were never going to resist.
he just wasn't a Pulis type player which is fair enough, but he would have been insane not to have looked for alternative career opportunities.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 21, 2007 13:05:30 GMT
How many games did he actually miss under Pulis? A couple? Personally I'd have dropped him after his complete shocker at Birmingham and his histrionics following that penalty but Pulis stuck with him.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Dec 21, 2007 13:07:08 GMT
When Pulis returned he obviously felt that Hoofers' face didn't fit, for reasons only Pulis knows. Hoofers then received huge backing from the fans after he was dropped and Pulis began to realise that he was the best option that we had and that dropping him was a mistake. Despite recalling him, there was obviously something that Pulis disliked and he laid into him at every available opportunity. Despite this, I think their relationship did get better as the season went on but I don't think there was every any great peace between the two so when it came to the end of the season an offer came along and as Hoefkens didn't feel like he was wanted enough he decided to move on.
I don't know if he was 'forced out' as such as he could've obviously turned WBA down and stayed with us. I just don't think he felt like he was 'loved' as much as he should've been.
We're fourth without him (probably wouldn't have been any different if he was still here, mind you) and it's all in the past. He's moved on and so should we.
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 21, 2007 13:13:39 GMT
He clearly was pushed out. To an extent though, that's the managers perogative, he picks the side, and takes the plaudits or brickbats based on that.
I think Karls days were numbered as soon as Tony returned, as he'd not want someone elses player in his team. I feel that the stuff about his defensive ability was clearly guff, as he was far better than Wright, and yet I never see Tone throwing a hissy-fit ever time Wright makes an error.
It's easy for folk to turn him into some kind of pariah since his departure, as it serves to make Tony look better. I don't think he did much wrong for us, and would like a right back who is at least as good as he was to replace him.
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Post by stokecityscott on Dec 21, 2007 13:14:06 GMT
Top man Carl is, but he has left us, so lets carry on without, i will give a little clap when he comes out, the tunnel nothing more.
TONY PULIS RED N WHITE ARMY. IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE SINGING TOMMOROW
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 21, 2007 13:29:42 GMT
What sidders said, pretty much. I don't think he was pushed all the way out, there would have been a place for him and I still miss him but he had the wrong kind of ego for a TP team, which is sad in many ways, we'd have been even stronger now with him still here.
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2007 13:36:19 GMT
Let face it as TP said his defensive side wasn't the best, sure it's all good and well getting forward but when you're a defender you need to erm defend also! Wasn't Hoefkens part of that defense that went a record number of games without conceding a goal ? |
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Post by vientianescfc on Dec 21, 2007 15:04:35 GMT
Ahh I knew it wouldn't last.
As for you Godo you cunt - I was in the UK for all the Boskamp season (unfuckingfortunately) and quite a few of last seasons - so I am plenty well versed to comment thank you very fucking much!
Serpico he was also part of the fucking unless bunch of cunts that were supposed to be 'defenders' in the Boschump season. The number of times he was caught out of position then was rediculous! The reason he was part of the defense was that TP got it into his head that a defender actually does need to defend not ponce about upfield on his own leave the others to carry his shit!
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Post by MrMagic on Dec 21, 2007 15:42:12 GMT
If TP is so good at getting defensive responsibility into players heads, how come Wright goes missing more often than Lord Lucan?
At least 4 or five times a half he gets dragged inside leaving a gaping gap on the wing. Shorecross immediately administers a bollocking and he goes back to position. Strangely all of the people who noted these deficiencies in Hoefkens fail to see them in the current incumberant.
Could it be that some folks criticism is more a show of support to TP rather than a reflection of reality? ???
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Dec 21, 2007 15:54:21 GMT
Vientiane - sorry if I offend you but I can't say that I've seen many other posters spout as much horseshit on such a consistent basis - well done sir.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2007 16:17:06 GMT
He was nudged out as there obviously wasn't much love lost and then he jumped ship-why stay where You're not obviously wanted?
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Post by Godo on Dec 21, 2007 16:53:53 GMT
Vivian - I'd much rather be a cunt than a clueless cunt.
I was there too! And I'll be there tomorrow as well - 12 rows back from the dug out in the West Stand - 3 seats in.
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Post by serpico on Dec 21, 2007 16:57:54 GMT
Serpico he was also part of the fucking unless bunch of cunts that were supposed to be 'defenders' in the Boschump season. The number of times he was caught out of position then was rediculous! The reason he was part of the defense was that TP got it into his head that a defender actually does need to defend not ponce about upfield on his own leave the others to carry his shit! Do you mean the season he won player of the year ? which just goes to show he's adaptable to how different managers play, he was great going forward under Bossie and turned into a good defender under Pulis. If he wasn't signed by Bosskamp we wouldn't be having this convo, it's only the fact bosskamp signed him that his abilities are under question, anyway he must be a fairly good player because he's getting a regular spot in a team who currently sit top of the table. Bottom line is Pulis doesn't really like players he didn't sign, thats just the way he is. |
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Dec 21, 2007 17:20:10 GMT
It should all be water under the bridge now.
I hope that he gets a respectful round of applause tomorrow, and no boos.
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Post by lancer on Dec 21, 2007 21:14:29 GMT
FFS, does it matter now, he's history now, the club moves on.
We've always let key players go (Stan Mathew?), but we're still here. We have to rely on the people in power, they have all the info needed, we just judge on what we see, week to week.
Stoke are now stronger than they have been, on and off the field, and seeing the problems the other clubs around us are having just to survive, we should be thanking our lucky stars that we have the people in charge that we do have.
I post this as ex- Hussar, and a TP supporter.
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Post by stowke on Dec 21, 2007 21:15:01 GMT
he was pushed out, lost a gem in carl.
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Post by bogus on Dec 21, 2007 21:17:55 GMT
lancer, if you click on your profile, click modify profile, you can then type in Hussar in your "display name" to show on this forum...........if you want the old name back that is |
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Post by westmidz19 on Dec 21, 2007 21:20:52 GMT
he hasn't had a great start to his albion career our whole defence is shaky against abit of pace such as mifsud, il be on the edge of my seat wheneva fuller is on the ball, everytime he plays agenst us he impresses me.
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Post by mumf14 on Dec 22, 2007 2:08:54 GMT
WESTMIDZ19...Yes I would agree with your appraisal.He's good at going forward but is not dependable when he is the last defender or marker.
He also thinks that he is a better player than he actually is.
He can do a job in this league but that his is limit.Last season he cost us dearly when he didn't pick players up,who went on to score....hence Pulis' ultimate decision to sell him, which I believe was the right one.
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