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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 10:26:54 GMT
Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 16, 2008 10:26:54 GMT
Any other UNISON members on strike today?
I'm not directly affected by the issue, but out in solidarity with lower-paid workers who are.
(Am expecting a predictable response from certain quarters on here - will inform you if received.)
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 10:32:14 GMT
Post by st0kecity on Jul 16, 2008 10:32:14 GMT
kids are gutted, hasnt affected their schools
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 10:45:26 GMT
Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 16, 2008 10:45:26 GMT
kids are gutted, hasnt affected their schools My daughter's got mixed feelings - school isn't closed, but if it had been, boring old Dad would be at home!
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 11:30:16 GMT
Post by st0kecity on Jul 16, 2008 11:30:16 GMT
something I hadnt considered, free parking!!!! All the wardens will be on strike
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 11:32:28 GMT
Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 16, 2008 11:32:28 GMT
something I hadnt considered, free parking!!!! All the wardens will be on strike Not necessarily - it is UNISON members on Strike, and I expect that many of the wardens are in GMB.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 11:35:05 GMT
Post by st0kecity on Jul 16, 2008 11:35:05 GMT
something I hadnt considered, free parking!!!! All the wardens will be on strike Not necessarily - it is UNISON members on Strike, and I expect that many of the wardens are in GMB. ahh bugger
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 11:40:03 GMT
Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 16, 2008 11:40:03 GMT
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 12:33:49 GMT
Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 16, 2008 12:33:49 GMT
just come from the picket line in chatham. very good support from FBU, NUT, PCS and even a couple of police who turned up because of a traffic accident. 2% - your avin a laugh!!
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 12:41:48 GMT
Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 16, 2008 12:41:48 GMT
I'm not so lucky Jukebox..my daughters off..so its a quick 15 minutes of fame on here then back to child-care responsiblities...as the wifes working today..
The Workers United Will Never Be Defeated...
Something like that anyway...
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 13:20:27 GMT
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 16, 2008 13:20:27 GMT
My mum's striking.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 14:28:49 GMT
Post by superreds on Jul 16, 2008 14:28:49 GMT
Been down to picket lines at Cromer Road and Civic Centre to support workers on strike. Postal workers, contractors and somebody who wanted to change vending machines all refused to cross picket line! All workers should support others on strike. It may well be your turn next because this government is out to screw us into the ground. They are only interested in helping big business and to hell with ordinary working class people. More than one Stoke top on view at the picket line as well! If you have the time get down there tommorrow!
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 14:30:43 GMT
Post by edinburghstokie on Jul 16, 2008 14:30:43 GMT
I am all for pay rises, and not against strikers, but does anyone know where the money will come from?
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 14:35:51 GMT
Post by superreds on Jul 16, 2008 14:35:51 GMT
Well, just two examples of where the money could come from 1) this government spends at least £5 million every day fighting a pointless war in Iraq. 2) Up £100 billion leaves Britain every year because some big business companies DON'T PAY ANY TAX! -
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 14:40:02 GMT
Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Jul 16, 2008 14:40:02 GMT
I am all for pay rises, and not against strikers, but does anyone know where the money will come from? If decent pay rises for low paid workers providing a public service was made a Government prioirity, they'd find the money that they seem to be able to find to support illegal wars, just to give one example. Perhaps if there was also more of a clamp down on tax avoidance scams by the super-rich.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 14:56:48 GMT
Post by edinburghstokie on Jul 16, 2008 14:56:48 GMT
I assumed the Iraq war would come up! I agree.
I am pissed off because in physical science the government screwed up and there is an £80 million deficit. Means that important projects (european scale) are getting shunted out of the window. Therefore I won't be working in the UK when I qualify. Just go abroad, and never pay back the taxes for my further education. It's their own fault.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 17:23:43 GMT
Post by myleftboot on Jul 16, 2008 17:23:43 GMT
Apparently according to my friend in Crewe the local authority swimming pool and gym are closed as well.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:30:37 GMT
Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 16, 2008 18:30:37 GMT
I am not having a go at you guy's it's your right to strike if you want to. But I think you need to consider the rest of the world around you, 2.5% may seem very small but many people I know in the private sector will be happy to keep their jobs this year let alone get a pay increase. People in the building trades are having to take pay cuts to compete for work and 1000's are losing their jobs every week. Any increase you get will have to paid for with taxes paid by all of us and to honest I can't afford it. I am not looking for an argument nor will I result to name calling but I would ask you to consider tightning your belts with rest of us and trying to ride this out.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:38:49 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 16, 2008 18:38:49 GMT
I am not having a go at you guy's it's your right to strike if you want to. But I think you need to consider the rest of the world around you, 2.5% may seem very small but many people I know in the private sector will be happy to keep their jobs this year let alone get a pay increase. People in the building trades are having to take pay cuts to compete for work and 1000's are losing their jobs every week. Any increase you get will have to paid for with taxes paid by all of us and to honest I can't afford it. I am not looking for an argument nor will I result to name calling but I would ask you to consider tightning your belts with rest of us and trying to ride this out. With respect, the redundancies in the construction industry are as a result of the credit crunch, which is the packaging up of high risk sub prime mortgage packages and selling them on for again a high risk reward. As soon as lenders started to default, the whole scheme went tits up and here we are at the current situation. It's the fault of highly paid, risk taking city types both here and in the US and I for one do not see how or why the worker at the bottom of the ladder who turns up day in day out in all weather, should have to tighten their belts as it's simply not their fault. I'm not looking for a row either but until people realise that those at the bottom suffer most for the appalling mistakes made by those at the top, then I will continue to argue the case.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:40:23 GMT
Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 16, 2008 18:40:23 GMT
2.4% is the offer - works out (after tax) at about 4 quid a week!
at the same time the people employed to 'streamline', in other words make redundent, public sctor workers are getting bonuses and golden handshakes of millions in some cases. striking over pay is not about everyone else having to pay to cover it - if that happens its the governments plan to do so, not public sector workers - at the end of the day, when living costs are going through the roof, we all need decent pay rises so we can feed ourselves, put petrol in the car etc etc
if you arent paid enough, join a union and get yourself out on strike - cus i guarantee your employers and middle managers etc will all be getting a decent rise without having to lose 2 days money and stand in the cold for 5 hours. thats where the money should be coming from.
p.s ive just read that the bailing out of northern rock will cost each taxpayer £1000 !!!! and they tell us they cant afford us a decent pay rise? wankers
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:41:44 GMT
Post by frasier37 on Jul 16, 2008 18:41:44 GMT
I can confirm Boothers mum is very striking
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:45:17 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 16, 2008 18:45:17 GMT
I can confirm Boothers mum is very striking Right...I'm with you now. I thought he meant she was hitting him ;D
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 18:56:20 GMT
Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 16, 2008 18:56:20 GMT
I am not having a go at you guy's it's your right to strike if you want to. But I think you need to consider the rest of the world around you, 2.5% may seem very small but many people I know in the private sector will be happy to keep their jobs this year let alone get a pay increase. People in the building trades are having to take pay cuts to compete for work and 1000's are losing their jobs every week. Any increase you get will have to paid for with taxes paid by all of us and to honest I can't afford it. I am not looking for an argument nor will I result to name calling but I would ask you to consider tightning your belts with rest of us and trying to ride this out. With respect, the redundancies in the construction industry are as a result of the credit crunch, which is the packaging up of high risk sub prime mortgage packages and selling them on for again a high risk reward. As soon as lenders started to default, the whole scheme went tits up and here we are at the current situation. It's the fault of highly paid, risk taking city types both here and in the US and I for one do not see how or why the worker at the bottom of the ladder who turns up day in day out in all weather, should have to tighten their belts as it's simply not their fault. I'm not looking for a row either but until people realise that those at the bottom suffer most for the appalling mistakes made by those at the top, then I will continue to argue the case. The building trade is just 1 example mate, people in every walk of life are facing the same problems. You must surely understand that if every one has a pay rise then goods and service prices will rise even further to pay for those increases and you are back to square 1. If we are to have any chance of getting through this soon to be recession intact we have to keep inflation down. I do understand how some of you see +2.4% as a pay cut but for the greater good of the future economy I think you may need to grin and bear it for a couple of years at least. The other thing you need to consider is that every strike will be a nail in the labour parties coffin and if you think for 1 second that public sector workers will get a better deal under the Tories you are sadly mistaken.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:03:28 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 16, 2008 19:03:28 GMT
With respect, the redundancies in the construction industry are as a result of the credit crunch, which is the packaging up of high risk sub prime mortgage packages and selling them on for again a high risk reward. As soon as lenders started to default, the whole scheme went tits up and here we are at the current situation. It's the fault of highly paid, risk taking city types both here and in the US and I for one do not see how or why the worker at the bottom of the ladder who turns up day in day out in all weather, should have to tighten their belts as it's simply not their fault. I'm not looking for a row either but until people realise that those at the bottom suffer most for the appalling mistakes made by those at the top, then I will continue to argue the case. The building trade is just 1 example mate, people in every walk of life are facing the same problems. You must surely understand that if every one has a pay rise then goods and service prices will rise even further to pay for those increases and you are back to square 1. If we are to have any chance of getting through this soon to be recession intact we have to keep inflation down. I do understand how some of you see +2.4% as a pay cut but for the greater good of the future economy I think you may need to grin and bear it for a couple of years at least. The other thing you need to consider is that every strike will be a nail in the labour parties coffin and if you think for 1 second that public sector workers will get a better deal under the Tories you are sadly mistaken. I fully understand what you're saying Nasher, no problems with that at all. My point is that we are at this point because of the factors I mentioned earlier. A small number of people and their mistakes are the exact reason why we are all in the state we are in now. I wonder if those city folk would accept a 2.4% pay rise? I doubt it.
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:34:28 GMT
Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 16, 2008 19:34:28 GMT
if the so-called 'labour' government wants to avoid a recession then there are literally billions leaving the country every year in off-shore accounts - the richest 1% hardly pay any tax and the richest 20% pay half the equivalent we do. theyd just rather shake the change from our pockets before raising taxes for the rich or taxing city bonuses( estimated 4 billion last year alone).... they brought this recession on and now they want us to pay for it! over a million workers were on strike today, when that figure reaches 5 million or 10 million theyll be forced to take the money from those who can afford it....
cue lord eff
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:42:39 GMT
Post by leeklad on Jul 16, 2008 19:42:39 GMT
IT,ll come to us all. Not many people on here supported us posties ,when we were losing thousands of jobs!!! We WILL NOT cross picket lines for anyones strike.I havent crossed today at moorlands housing STAY STRONG
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:49:44 GMT
Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 16, 2008 19:49:44 GMT
just for the record i was on the burslem picket on christmas eve - one of the best picket lines ive ever been on! and hayes is a cock!
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:51:22 GMT
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 16, 2008 19:51:22 GMT
huddy them bastards have lost a fucking bakery full of bread and we'll have to pay. Now what's inflation over 3% and they want to give 2.4%. You do the math. As some union bloke or politician once said. 'I'll tell you what percentages do. They make the rich get richer and the poor get poorer' Or something like that!
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 19:56:24 GMT
Post by algor on Jul 16, 2008 19:56:24 GMT
A lot of angry people on here! I guess your just lucky you work in organisations big enough that you gang up and bully your employers to give you more money. The millions of us who work for small companies will just have to be paid what the market can support. ???
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 20:01:52 GMT
Post by stokey-pokey pudding and pie on Jul 16, 2008 20:01:52 GMT
its not 'bullying' employers its not letting employers bully us. and working for a small company makes no difference
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Strike
Jul 16, 2008 20:15:51 GMT
Post by algor on Jul 16, 2008 20:15:51 GMT
its not 'bullying' employers its not letting employers bully us. and working for a small company makes no difference How does working for a small company not make any difference? If a company with say 25 - 30 staff went on strike for a week I would suggest that at least half of those companies would fold. I dont think you understand the way companies that are not payed by the government work. If you have no cashflow you have no business. Do you think that this 1% of mega rich or 20% of rich people will sit up and notice that you have gone on strike do you think that the city banker's give a toss what you do? the only people that notice, the only people that are hurt by your actions are your neighbours and your fellow stokies. I am sorry mate but I can't influence your employer other than voting him out but as previously said the other guy will just sack you and give you a batton around the head in the process.
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