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Post by daverichards on Jul 13, 2008 18:40:05 GMT
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Post by scfcmatt on Jul 13, 2008 18:40:33 GMT
Are the colours Red and White?
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Post by myleftboot on Jul 13, 2008 18:47:04 GMT
and...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 13, 2008 19:22:22 GMT
Hilarious, nothing to do with the fact that the cheapest food is the worst for you, or that retailers and producers are lining their pockets by selling booze at cut price, or that generations are on the dole thanks to Thatcher and Major stripping this country of it's skill base? What a total twát  |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jul 13, 2008 19:40:06 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cameron is a !cunt!  |
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Post by Northy on Jul 13, 2008 19:57:05 GMT
and?? You make choices in life Shall I smoke this cigarette or not? Shall I have this weed or herion or not, all the world says it's bad for you? Shall I order the extra large cheese pizza or go to the salad bar? Shall I have 8 pints of Stella followed by a kebab or a pasta meal with a glass of wine? I for one am sick of helping paying £80 a week out of my taxes to somebody who registers themself as an alchoholic - aren't you ? Unforntunately too many jumped on the "new labour" bandwagon with square wheels  You sow what you reap, and people sow layers of fat, lung and liver cancer  |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 13, 2008 20:03:05 GMT
Just for the record..it costs about £3,000 per-week to put a drug-user into re-hab..and they usually last 12 weeks...thats £36,000 Success rate = 5 per-cent Within 6 months 95 per-cent are back "on the gear" A good use of public money? Or better spent elsewhere..? |
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 13, 2008 20:03:28 GMT
ID - Check your inbox mate. PM awaiting you I don't follow politics at all to be honest but all parties seem to follow the same trait even if their beliefs seem different.. Lie your way to the top |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 13, 2008 20:03:30 GMT
and?? You make choices in life Shall I smoke this cigarette or not? Shall I have this weed or herion or not, all the world says it's bad for you? Shall I order the extra large cheese pizza or go to the salad bar? Shall I have 8 pints of Stella followed by a kebab or a pasta meal with a glass of wine? I for one am sick of helping paying £80 a week out of my taxes to somebody who registers themself as an alchoholic - aren't you ? Unforntunately too many jumped on the "new labour" bandwagon with square wheels You sow what you reap, and people sow layers of fat, lung and liver cancer No disrespect but that really is a sweeping generalisation. I don't think anyone will deny the minority of those you talk about here exist. As for your £80/week you know full well the majority of that doesn't go anywhere near them either. |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jul 13, 2008 20:11:41 GMT
northwich it's called peer pressure and a poor upbringing which gets people addicted to these things! Rehad may be expsensive, but what else do you suggest? |
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Post by SegaMegaDave on Jul 13, 2008 20:13:15 GMT
the last time true colours shone through phil collins made me feel physically sick
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 13, 2008 20:36:19 GMT
I agree with him entirely.
What's your problem Ilford?
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Post by trebor63 on Jul 13, 2008 20:57:26 GMT
The tories say people should take personal responsibilty for themselves! How awful!
Some people will be asking the state to wipe their backsides for them next!
Personal responsibility is EVERYTHING and if more parents took responsibility for their brats maybe we wouldn't have people stabbed to death on a daily basis evedry day (sometimes more than one a day)
If some fat retarded beer swilling burger munching retard gets fat and unfit I would say the blame IS his! Even if you have to eat on a budget tuna, pasta and fruit is as cheap and easy to prepare as it gets!
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Post by myleftboot on Jul 13, 2008 21:01:38 GMT
Sorry but I rarely come off my fence but here I have to agree. You jabbed that needle, you smoked that spliff and it's down to you to reap the consequences or control your habit. A lot drink as in binge drink and the government come down heavy on them by raising prices to eradicate it so we all have to suffer.
Some heroin addicts going around lifting old peoples wallets and purses at knife point and i'm supposed to feel sorry for him cause after all it isn't his fault he is like that is it. Sorry but he chose his path and that is the way it is. He knew the consequences as he was obviously around people who had gone the same way.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 13, 2008 21:01:51 GMT
Now that bit I do agree with.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 13, 2008 22:06:43 GMT
It isn't a policy though, is it? "If I'm Prime Minister, I'll tell people to take responsibility more often." It's just a statement that sounds good.
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Post by Northy on Jul 14, 2008 7:42:05 GMT
Domsmith - as a teenager growing up in Goostry you probably see all that inner city strife and tempation  I was one of 5 kids growing up in the 70's labour hell hole, hardly ever saw the parents as they were out trying to earn money to buy food and pay the bills, we never had bikes the latetst toy going for pizzas etc. like other kids, I didn't go round nicking to get it, carrying a knife to steal it, taking drugs to overcome the pain of not having achopper bike. I got a paper round and a milk round to earn money, I didn't waste it on ciggies or booze or junk food, I saved it for something decent. Huddy - "a minority" have you walked around town centres lately and seen the amount of young girls guts hanging over their trousers, smoking and pushing prams? Blokes and youths drunk and fighting? I fear for our future generations with what parent teaching is going on these days Why waste money on junkies, throw them in a cell and let them go cold turkey, harsh but when the country is poor and in debt, it's gold reserves sold off when prices were low then hard times and stances should have to come into force |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 14, 2008 8:59:44 GMT
So only 5% of druggies are rehabilitated? Why bother then? If they like injections just give them one last high they'll never have to come down from. 70% crime is drug related, I believe, and it's lilly livered do gooders like Ilford Dave who are responsible for the state the countries in. In fact Ilford Daves responsible for the state the countries in! Don't worry the Tories will come and put right what Labour have fucked up as they did in 1979. Tax and spend, Labours true colours, and guess who paying The Working Class. Anarchy in the UK it's coming sometime, maybe........... P.S. Jaqui Smith. Is she a bit 'slow'? Taking kids to A&E to see the consequences of their knives? What an utterley stupid idea. Are they going to wait for a victim to come in? Who's going to take them? Surely not the police who should be doing other things like stopping knife crime? This country............  |
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 14, 2008 9:05:32 GMT
Thanks for that Dave. They'll definitely get my vote |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2008 9:23:27 GMT
So only 5% of druggies are rehabilitated? Why bother then? If they like injections just give them one last high they'll never have to come down from. 70% crime is drug related, I believe, and it's lilly livered do gooders like Ilford Dave who are responsible for the state the countries in. In fact Ilford Daves responsible for the state the countries in! Don't worry the Tories will come and put right what Labour have fucked up as they did in 1979. Tax and spend, Labours true colours, and guess who paying The Working Class. Anarchy in the UK it's coming sometime, maybe........... P.S. Jaqui Smith. Is she a bit 'slow'? Taking kids to A&E to see the consequences of their knives? What an utterley stupid idea. Are they going to wait for a victim to come in? Who's going to take them? Surely not the police who should be doing other things like stopping knife crime? This country............ So you don't think the working class paid under Thatcher? ??? ??? |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 14, 2008 9:44:16 GMT
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So you don't think the working class paid under Thatcher? ??? ???[/quote]
The WORKING class did very well out of Thatcher.
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Post by vientianescfc on Jul 14, 2008 9:54:10 GMT
As is often said "the truth is often hard to accept".
I know numerous people in the UK who proclaim themselves as being poor - however these same people smoke between 20-40 Cigs a day. So if 40 a day - £5 a pack day - £70 per week - £280 per month . . not too mention the drinking . .. . altogether somewhere in the region of £350 - £400 spent on booze and cigs. Strangely enough for many people that would pay most of their mortgage or at least a sizeable chunk of it.
If you can afford to do it . . . fine do it . . . but if you can't then you should do without . . . that's the way the world 'should' work.
Unfortunately many people these days can't take responsiblity for themselves let alone there children. The Politically Correct stupidity of the world these days is too blame for a vast majority of the problems.
A fat person is no longer fat because they eat too much they are fat because of 'a condition'.
A lazy person is no longer lazy because they are too bone idle to do anything it's because 'no one will give them a job'
etc etc - whatever your problems are just blame someone, anyone but yourself and complain that they haven't handed them life on a platter.
Here in Laos many people work for whatever money they can get purely to buy food to stay alive and live in whatever abode they afford/make. I see people in there 60s and 70s working in rice fields or hurding cattle or selling whatever vegatables they can grow. But you know what the people have hunger for life and are happy despite not having anyone to give them hand outs. These poor people (and I mean POOR) not poor in the UK sense are content enough and understand they have to take responsibility for themselves and their family - they cannot just proclaim themselves 'sick' and get hundreds of pound in hand outs for sitting on there arse doing nothing. The saddest thing of all is the whinging lazy bastards in the UK complaining because the government won't give them any more money yet the poor people who I've met in Laos none of them have ever complained about their poverty and will happily offer you food if you should be passing when they are eating. Oh and the £350 - £400 I mentioned before which people smoke and piss up the wall before claiming poverty well that one months money is the equivalent of an above average salary per annum here in Laos.
The UK is just a shell of the country it used to be and the Labour government has played a major part in its demise.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2008 9:58:09 GMT
So you don't think the working class paid under Thatcher? ??? ???[/quote] The WORKING class did very well out of Thatcher.[/quote] Sure, the Miners, Steelworkers and Potters will agree with you there...not  |
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Post by craig67 on Jul 14, 2008 10:08:19 GMT
The tories say people should take personal responsibilty for themselves! How awful! Some people will be asking the state to wipe their backsides for them next! Personal responsibility is EVERYTHING and if more parents took responsibility for their brats maybe we wouldn't have people stabbed to death on a daily basis evedry day (sometimes more than one a day) If some fat retarded beer swilling burger munching retard gets fat and unfit I would say the blame IS his! Even if you have to eat on a budget tuna, pasta and fruit is as cheap and easy to prepare as it gets! |
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Post by craig67 on Jul 14, 2008 10:10:27 GMT
If some fat retarded beer swilling burger munching retard gets fat and unfit I would say the blame IS his! Even if you have to eat on a budget tuna, pasta and fruit is as cheap and easy to prepare as it gets! Trebor,I see you know Ilford then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2008 10:15:57 GMT
Like it or not, big Dave will be the next leader Not hard for him really to be the next PM is it. After eleven years of this shower of shit, I am amazed some will still vote Labour  No boom or bust. Yep still laughing about that. And now if the person who nearly stabbed you to death may visit you in hospital??? He be the last fucking person I want to see. Tough on crime and causes of crime..Yeah right. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jul 14, 2008 10:33:26 GMT
Is anyone else thinking the words "Jon Parkin"?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 11:03:08 GMT
It is possible, with the help of a good solicitor, for someone who uses heroin/crack/cocaine, and has burgled 20 odd houses and beaten a few people senseless, to appear in Court and be given a 'Drug Rehabilitation Order'...which means the offender is given the 'opportunity' to spend some time in 're-hab', rather than prison.
Are the victims of those crimes given the same degree of opportunity?
No they most certainly aren't,
And this is at the heart of this debate..
In the 1960's Sociologists started blurring the lines between 'deserving' and 'non-deserving' poor.
Some people. for example are poor through no fault of their own..through illness, disability, age etc etc and some people make themselves poor through thoughtless, irresponsible behaviour..
And as time has moved on, the tables have completely turned, so that now the undeserving poor, including offenders, have greater 'rights' than their victims, and people who are in genuine need of support.
Whilst heroin-addicts who have burgled dozens of houses, and have absolutely no compunction to stop offending, are sent to re-hab at £3,000 per-week for twelve weeks, total cost £36,000...families with children suffering spina-bifida, for example, wait 18 months for a wheel-chair that costs a few hundred quid
The feckless, selfish and irresponsible seem to be rewarded, whilst good, decent, law-abiding people get nowt
Rant over
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 14, 2008 11:43:04 GMT
And was that Thatcher's fault or misguded unions that had already brought the country to its knees?
Try and think Macro not micro.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 14, 2008 13:21:00 GMT
Looking at the 'macro' picture Daftburger...you need to look back to the OPEC oil price hike of 1973..which trebled the rate of inflation within a couple of years...workers went on strike to demand higher wages...as rising inflation meant real wages fell...this led to falling real demand and output...and the result was 'stagflation'...rising prices and rising unemployment. Thatchers solution was to slash public-spending and jack-up interest rates...making inflation even higher and putting an extra 2 million on the dole...this was all paid for from revenue from North Sea oil.. Over 200 billion pounds worth pissed-up the wall The only reason Thatcher continued in office was because of the Falklands War...when the most unpopular Prime-Minister in history was suddenly a Great War Hero.. Not that Labour would have done any different of course... No matter who you vote for...the Government always gets into office |
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