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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 26, 2024 13:04:21 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about heavy handed sentences being dished out recently but this one completely takes the biscuit the other way.
How can a teenager who has left a mother in her 40's, as a paraplegic, who will require 24hr care, unable to breath or speak for the rest of her life unaided, receive just TWENTY SIX months for his actions?
Minimum 10 years for me and banned for life from driving.
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Post by stuammo on Nov 26, 2024 13:12:45 GMT
Yet another shocking sentence dished out by the courts. It’s every day all over the land that people are receiving pathetic sentences. This is the main factor in why crime is headed the way it is. There is absolutely no deterrent at all. People commit crime knowing that it’s highly unlikely they either get sent to prison in the first place, or get a significant enough sentence to think twice about it.
Britain is broken
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 26, 2024 13:20:00 GMT
A couple more to add to the pathetic British justice system under this horrendous government
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Post by salopstick on Nov 26, 2024 13:25:58 GMT
the justice system is fucked
i had posters last week praising starmer for his quick justice for twitter users retweeting offensive shit about immigrants. some of these had 3 years plus.
any death/injury by dangerous driving should have sentenances along the trends of manslaughter and serious assaults
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Post by salopstick on Nov 26, 2024 13:27:57 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about heavy handed sentences being dished out recently but this one completely takes the biscuit the other way. How can a teenager who has left a mother in her 40's, as a paraplegic, who will require 24hr care, unable to breath or speak for the rest of her life unaided, receive just TWENTY SIX months for his actions? Minimum 10 years for me and banned for life from driving. plus he will only probably serve half, maybe less on licence if there are more riots they need the space |
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Post by Northy on Nov 26, 2024 13:29:56 GMT
I agree with Paul, 10 years and a lifetime ban, what a cnut he is.
Why the need to video when driving, what's the point, I just don't get it.
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Post by Northy on Nov 26, 2024 13:30:41 GMT
A couple more to add to the pathetic British justice system under this horrendous government I agree, should have been deported, all 5 of them and their families. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 26, 2024 13:45:00 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 26, 2024 13:47:08 GMT
If only he'd gone on a Zoom call and talked about a protest we could have locked him up for longer.....
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 26, 2024 13:55:50 GMT
Total lack of consequences. It’s embarrassing.
We really need to re evaluate sentencing
Priority
violent crime
Paedophiles
Crimes where the victim has been impacted the most
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 26, 2024 14:12:59 GMT
There was an interesting one in The Sentinel yesterday. A 60 year old woman from Loggerheads got 40 months for killing a bloke on a motorbike on the A50. In the report it mentioned her "braking" so I assume from the fact she's got a sentence, that she was possibly brake checking him/someone else causing him to crash? I then thought, if she hadn't done that and slammed her brakes on for some other reason or was just braking "normally", that the sentence might, in fact, be quite harsh.
If someone is driving dangerously and kills/injures someone seriously then I agree, sentences should be tough.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 26, 2024 14:26:44 GMT
If only he'd gone on a Zoom call and talked about a protest we could have locked him up for longer..... Or had lots of videos of babies being raped. Oh no, that's just a telling off and be a good boy. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 26, 2024 15:08:03 GMT
Another reason why the UK is particularly attractive for the world's criminals.
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Post by musik on Nov 26, 2024 15:48:27 GMT
I'm surprised he got prison at all.
I don't think Sweden has that as an option.
He would be sent to a tax financed rehab center.
We still have politicians and so called experts here who on a daily basis express it's pointless with prison time and even longer sentences. They mean history and statistics shows the opposite. The longer sentences, the more crimes. If so (which I strongly doubt) maybe mainly the main reason is the Hotel Standard with a menu we have up here. They don't want to leave to a life on the street.
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Post by stuammo on Nov 26, 2024 16:20:39 GMT
There are arguments for and against prison and whether or not it works. However what can’t be argued is that while the serious, prolific and persistent offenders that repeatedly offend no matter what, cannot commit crime while locked up in prison. Thereby the public is protected.
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 26, 2024 16:36:46 GMT
Regardless of anyone's political persuasion.
This last week or so is beyond the pale. If you are even slightly a wrong-un, it's high time to go and do your mischief.
I don't care if the average case takes 80 weeks, it stinks, the sentencing stinks.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 26, 2024 17:40:14 GMT
Another reason why the UK is particularly attractive for the world's criminals. The main reason is the illegal drugs are expensive. It's not in the least bit complicated. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 26, 2024 18:02:32 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 26, 2024 18:40:44 GMT
Why the fuck are you all moaning? Don't you realise how protected everyone is from all the hurty words! Get a grip on yourselves FFS! Gouranga.  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 26, 2024 21:06:12 GMT
Total lack of consequences. It’s embarrassing. We really need to re evaluate sentencing Priority violent crime Paedophiles Crimes where the victim has been impacted the most Would anyone vote for a party who would bring back the death sentence for the priority categories listed above …? I would in a heartbeat |
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Post by musik on Nov 26, 2024 21:22:47 GMT
Total lack of consequences. It’s embarrassing. We really need to re evaluate sentencing Priority violent crime Paedophiles Crimes where the victim has been impacted the most Would anyone vote for a party who would bring back the death sentence for the priority categories listed above …? I would in a heartbeat Well. "Crimes where the victim has been impacted the most" is an almost funny sentence. I can't think of any crime where the victim has not been impacted the most. Who else would it be? Are there any crimes without any victims? So that sentence is enough for me to count me in, but not to the death penalty, that's too mild. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 26, 2024 22:23:02 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about heavy handed sentences being dished out recently but this one completely takes the biscuit the other way. How can a teenager who has left a mother in her 40's, as a paraplegic, who will require 24hr care, unable to breath or speak for the rest of her life unaided, receive just TWENTY SIX months for his actions? Minimum 10 years for me and banned for life from driving. The thing is the boy didn't go out with any itent to cause harm and I don't think he's a threat to the average citizen either. I understand I may be coming across a bit blunt here but what will he learn in say 7 years in prison? I agree it's a lenient sentence and the injuries are life changing for the victim too. I'm sure the friends and family of the victim feel short changed too. But 1 year, 10 years or 50 years isn't going to change anything for the victim. It's lenient but what is gained from keeping him in much longer for anyone? Violent criminals who are a risk to the public are the ones which need locked away more. Well not locked away, good rehabilitation to help them re enter society and be able to control themselves. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 26, 2024 22:40:45 GMT
There's been a lot of talk about heavy handed sentences being dished out recently but this one completely takes the biscuit the other way. How can a teenager who has left a mother in her 40's, as a paraplegic, who will require 24hr care, unable to breath or speak for the rest of her life unaided, receive just TWENTY SIX months for his actions? Minimum 10 years for me and banned for life from driving. The thing is the boy didn't go out with any itent to cause harm and I don't think he's a threat to the average citizen either. I understand I may be coming across a bit blunt here but what will he learn in say 7 years in prison? I agree it's a lenient sentence and the injuries are life changing for the victim too. I'm sure the friends and family of the victim feel short changed too. But 1 year, 10 years or 50 years isn't going to change anything for the victim. It's lenient but what is gained from keeping him in much longer for anyone? Violent criminals who are a risk to the public are the ones which need locked away more. Well not locked away, good rehabilitation to help them re enter society and be able to control themselves. His reckless, unlawful actions caused injuries that a hardened criminal may not have caused |
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 26, 2024 23:15:47 GMT
Putting the bloke behind bars for 10 years will do nothing apart from teach him how to become more anti social.
It's a case that needs a Social Credit System, really. You do something like this, you'll pay for it in other ways after doing a few years inside. Lots of curfews and Community service for years to come.
Wouldn't stop this type of thing, but it would make it feel like better justice.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 26, 2024 23:33:32 GMT
Putting the bloke behind bars for 10 years will do nothing apart from teach him how to become more anti social. It's a case that needs a Social Credit System, really. You do something like this, you'll pay for it in other ways after doing a few years inside. Lots of curfews and Community service for years to come. Wouldn't stop this type of thing, but it would make it feel like better justice. Permanent revocation of his driving licence and explanation to new cohorts of learner drivers why he can never drive again and the impact this has - on a weekly basis. If found behind the wheel of a car a mandatory 15 years no parole. |
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 26, 2024 23:54:53 GMT
Putting the bloke behind bars for 10 years will do nothing apart from teach him how to become more anti social. It's a case that needs a Social Credit System, really. You do something like this, you'll pay for it in other ways after doing a few years inside. Lots of curfews and Community service for years to come. Wouldn't stop this type of thing, but it would make it feel like better justice. Permanent revocation of his driving licence and explanation to new cohorts of learner drivers why he can never drive again and the impact this has - on a weekly basis. If found behind the wheel of a car a mandatory 15 years no parole. I can't believe they don't ban them for life anyway, unless they feel it will impact on their chances of getting a job in the future. They've ruined someone's life. A life time ban is the least they should expect. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 27, 2024 0:05:04 GMT
Ah this is a tough one. Completely agreed re sentencing being a joke. Dangerous driving and to an extent, drink driving (as idiotic as it is) is one of very few crimes I have a little more tolerance towards lesser sentences.
For example someone who goes out and intentionally knocks a woman out (happens a lot... Dare I say it even at Manchester Airport) is a genuinely nasty individual with bad intent and needs to be dealt with severely.
I'd hazard a guess over 90% of this messageboard have at some point in their life driven a car over the limit or used their phone while driving. Does that make over 90% of this messageboard bad people? No. I'm sure many on here will still make those mistakes.
Such mistakes are highly idiotic and dangerous, but it doesn't make that person a "bad person" or a threat to society. The vast majority of those who have been involved in an incident like the case in question serve their life sentence by default of having to live with the consequences of their actions.
I never forget the Plymouth goalkeeper who practically wiped out a family drink driving on the motorway near Keele Services. Giving someone like him a long sentence feels pointless. He was a decent guy by all accounts who made a really bad mistake and will live every day knowing his mistakes destroyed a family. He's absolutely anything but a threat to society.
Driving incidents are a really tough one and I'm not going to pretend I have the answers but I think it's probably one of the only devastating "crimes" I have a little bit of sympathy for. We need sentencing to deter the action but once the events happened, I kind of feel like the sentencing is often pointless, if not a little illogical.
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Post by musik on Nov 27, 2024 1:02:43 GMT
Vehicular manslaughter can be the outcome in Texas in a case where the primary victim dies instantly or dies many years later due to the injury, meaning 20 years in prison.
At last we're getting somewhere.
Preferably with the addition let the secondary victims do whatever they want.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2024 7:55:38 GMT
Would anyone vote for a party who would bring back the death sentence for the priority categories listed above …? I would in a heartbeat Well. "Crimes where the victim has been impacted the most" is an almost funny sentence. I can't think of any crime where the victim has not been impacted the most. Who else would it be? Are there any crimes without any victims? So that sentence is enough for me to count me in, but not to the death penalty, that's too mild. Fraud Tax evasion Non injury traffic offences eg speeding Possession of illegal drugs Theft (first time offences) Criminal damage to businesses It’s about finding alternative punishments eg large fines, bans, rehabilitation etc for non violent offences. Perpetrators can still be hit hard but get the right people inside. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 27, 2024 8:04:00 GMT
as soon as you kill someone in a car it should be an automatic 15 year ban with any jail time added on
enough rehabilitation time there.
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