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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 19:21:11 GMT
Lefties hate hard working people earning money shock The exact opposite I don't have any time for farmers crying foul though Why? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 19, 2024 19:29:54 GMT
It’s not just land it includes buildings machines livestock farmhouses Did you not read my * You’re little * doesn’t seem to include livestock or machinery For example a new or relatively new combine is around half a million All these machines are now being included |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 19:36:43 GMT
Mate get a grip .I know you hate Labour but weve just had 14 years of the most sleaziest bunch known to man who were incompetent at the same time...... One of the most, not the most. I'm saying he's up there, not the Uber cunt - just yet anyway. He's certainly got the most potential for tyranny, even moreso than Bliar. If he thinks he can murder millions and emulate him he'll go for it. The article just shows how he can be seen as duplicitous by the farmers, I mean he's a politician so he's meant to be, but those bumpkins might have trusted him. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 19:40:43 GMT
He's another fake man-of-the-people just like Farage. People are so easily duped! So it was the farmers fault all along that people struggle to get GP appointments. Who knew. We have to email for an appointment now, not ring. But again if you don't email bang on 8am you've got no chance 🙄 It's useless, we've just added the private GP option to our cover and thought fuck it. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 19:41:59 GMT
What's agricultural land value like in France by comparison. In my experience and understanding CAP payments were far more likely to be made to the average Joe just because of the sheer amount of land outside cities there. Families would own a few acres etc and claim the payments for those fields, especially if they came with eligibility. In fact I'd have thought eligibility would markedly increase the lands value as an asset? As best as I can determine the average value of a hectare of land in France is about €6,000 so maybe about 20%** that of UK. Which is a fair point. But wiith French Tax Free Allowance of €100K and the majority of UK Family Farms a Tax Free Allowance of up to £3M My back of a fag box calculation means in France if you inherit less than 20 Hecacres you pay some tax. In UK you can inherit 120 Hectares or 300 Acres before paying any Tax* The difference seems to be whether The Many or the Few pay Tax. www.statista.com/statistics/1093866/evolution-average-price-agricultural-land-meadow-france/*I have excluded the value of a Farmhouse in my calculation which obviously would reduce the amount of acreage ** I have used £10,000/25,000 per acre/hectacre as an average price in UK Wouldn't you have many smaller land owners in France? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 19, 2024 19:42:07 GMT
Whatever your view on inheritance tax as a concept why would farmers, or anyone else get a free pass? The government should go further and remove the option of setting up a trust to avoid tax on inherited wealth. For me I'd treat farmers differently because it is a niche occupation and shouldn't be treated the same as everything else. I don't trust our government who has a long history of favouring the uber wealthy. So I'm programmed to scrutinise this sort of thing and the fact that the main people protesting about inheritance tax are farmers rather than the uber wealthy makes me curious. Pint of milk in 1970 was around 5p. Today it is 85p. An acre of land in 1970 was around £300. It is now over £11,000 So if land value is 37x higher but milk can only be sold 17x the value as it was in 1970 and that's without taking into account the increased share supermarkets take out of the milk profits. Then how does a farmer possibly keep up their profits with the rising costs in land to pay for inheritance tax? Is the solution for food to be more expensive? And then what happens if tesco decide they want to use chlorine chicken from America instead because all about those profits.. and then what? I worry that just like some of the changes on landlords that it could be an attack on small to medium businesses which then the super wealthy and larger businesses can benefit from. But that's capitalism. Profits first. People second. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 19:48:03 GMT
I have to be honest and say that despite some snarkiness this is a far more interesting topic than the next wank left back we're going to sign or who's reffing the QPR match.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 19:49:42 GMT
I have to be honest and say that despite some snarkiness this is a far more interesting topic than the next wank left bank we're going to sign or who's reffing the QPR match. Left bank? I whole heartedly agree it’s more interesting than the Israel thread |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 19:54:11 GMT
You’re little * doesn’t seem to include livestock or machinery For example a new or relatively new combine is around half a million All these machines are now being included My calculation I described as a rough calculation but I insist it is pretty close If a Farmer has the Cash to go out and buy a new Combine Harvester I doubt they would worry much about Inheritance Tax If a Farmer has bought a new Combine Harvester with a Bank Loan it is only the value of the Combine less the Loan outstanding that is considered as an Assistant of the Estate All Estates include all Assets net value this is hardly a new concept |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 19:56:46 GMT
As best as I can determine the average value of a hectare of land in France is about €6,000 so maybe about 20%** that of UK. Which is a fair point. But wiith French Tax Free Allowance of €100K and the majority of UK Family Farms a Tax Free Allowance of up to £3M My back of a fag box calculation means in France if you inherit less than 20 Hecacres you pay some tax. In UK you can inherit 120 Hectares or 300 Acres before paying any Tax* The difference seems to be whether The Many or the Few pay Tax. www.statista.com/statistics/1093866/evolution-average-price-agricultural-land-meadow-france/*I have excluded the value of a Farmhouse in my calculation which obviously would reduce the amount of acreage ** I have used £10,000/25,000 per acre/hectacre as an average price in UK Wouldn't you have many smaller land owners in France? No idea and not sure of the relevance |
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Post by mrnovember on Nov 19, 2024 20:04:15 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 19, 2024 20:05:46 GMT
He's another fake man-of-the-people just like Farage. People are so easily duped! Who wants to be a Millionaire Farmer? |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 19, 2024 20:11:06 GMT
Whatever your view on inheritance tax as a concept why would farmers, or anyone else get a free pass? The government should go further and remove the option of setting up a trust to avoid tax on inherited wealth. For me I'd treat farmers differently because it is a niche occupation and shouldn't be treated the same as everything else. I don't trust our government who has a long history of favouring the uber wealthy. So I'm programmed to scrutinise this sort of thing and the fact that the main people protesting about inheritance tax are farmers rather than the uber wealthy makes me curious. Pint of milk in 1970 was around 5p. Today it is 85p. An acre of land in 1970 was around £300. It is now over £11,000 So if land value is 37x higher but milk can only be sold 17x the value as it was in 1970 and that's without taking into account the increased share supermarkets take out of the milk profits. Then how does a farmer possibly keep up their profits with the rising costs in land to pay for inheritance tax? Is the solution for food to be more expensive? And then what happens if tesco decide they want to use chlorine chicken from America instead because all about those profits.. and then what? I worry that just like some of the changes on landlords that it could be an attack on small to medium businesses which then the super wealthy and larger businesses can benefit from. But that's capitalism. Profits first. People second. Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 20:16:16 GMT
For me I'd treat farmers differently because it is a niche occupation and shouldn't be treated the same as everything else. I don't trust our government who has a long history of favouring the uber wealthy. So I'm programmed to scrutinise this sort of thing and the fact that the main people protesting about inheritance tax are farmers rather than the uber wealthy makes me curious. Pint of milk in 1970 was around 5p. Today it is 85p. An acre of land in 1970 was around £300. It is now over £11,000 So if land value is 37x higher but milk can only be sold 17x the value as it was in 1970 and that's without taking into account the increased share supermarkets take out of the milk profits. Then how does a farmer possibly keep up their profits with the rising costs in land to pay for inheritance tax? Is the solution for food to be more expensive? And then what happens if tesco decide they want to use chlorine chicken from America instead because all about those profits.. and then what? I worry that just like some of the changes on landlords that it could be an attack on small to medium businesses which then the super wealthy and larger businesses can benefit from. But that's capitalism. Profits first. People second. Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 19, 2024 20:17:52 GMT
For me I'd treat farmers differently because it is a niche occupation and shouldn't be treated the same as everything else. I don't trust our government who has a long history of favouring the uber wealthy. So I'm programmed to scrutinise this sort of thing and the fact that the main people protesting about inheritance tax are farmers rather than the uber wealthy makes me curious. Pint of milk in 1970 was around 5p. Today it is 85p. An acre of land in 1970 was around £300. It is now over £11,000 So if land value is 37x higher but milk can only be sold 17x the value as it was in 1970 and that's without taking into account the increased share supermarkets take out of the milk profits. Then how does a farmer possibly keep up their profits with the rising costs in land to pay for inheritance tax? Is the solution for food to be more expensive? And then what happens if tesco decide they want to use chlorine chicken from America instead because all about those profits.. and then what? I worry that just like some of the changes on landlords that it could be an attack on small to medium businesses which then the super wealthy and larger businesses can benefit from. But that's capitalism. Profits first. People second. Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. I don't know any farmers at all so I don't really have any anecdotal experiences to draw from. So do you think for the majority this won't affect them as much as portrayed? |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 19, 2024 20:24:35 GMT
Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. To a degree certainly, I’m not saying they don’t deserve the rewards. I don’t think people realise the amount of skill that goes into it to be honest, it’s a proper science. But, having read up on it, it seems like they get a lot of things favourably as it is. The tax itself sounds harsh and possibly is, but I’d say it’s something they are likely to manage easily enough. Honestly, the amount of loopholes and grants I’ve heard about which are so easily bypassed - they certainly know how to milk things in their favour, so to speak. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 20:31:16 GMT
If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. To a degree certainly, I’m not saying they don’t deserve the rewards. I don’t think people realise the amount of skill that goes into it to be honest, it’s a proper science. But, having read up on it, it seems like they get a lot of things favourably as it is. The tax itself sounds harsh and possibly is, but I’d say it’s something they are likely to manage easily enough. Honestly, the amount of loopholes and grants I’ve heard about which are so easily bypassed - they certainly know how to milk things in their favour, so to speak. Good to get an “experience” post rather than the usual “pluck some unreliable figures” post that pollute this board with alarming regularity. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 19, 2024 20:31:32 GMT
Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. I don't know any farmers at all so I don't really have any anecdotal experiences to draw from. So do you think for the majority this won't affect them as much as portrayed? Well, it’s certainly probably not going to help if the worst does happen, but I don’t expect it will cripple them. I can’t say if that’s the case or not for every other farmer, I’m just basing it on the local knowledge I have where there is clearly plenty of money in the coffers. Rather than it seeming unfair now, I guess there could/should have been something in place before now. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 19, 2024 20:38:21 GMT
Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. I know big Nige and Jeremy are out giving it the long handle today, and it is very difficult for you to disagree with them but nobody is denying anybody, anything. For the circa. 13% of farmers (+ pretend farmers and James Dyson) that this will be impacting they are simply being asked to contribute a more equal share like all those other hard working, reward-deserving folk who haven't decided to buy up farm land to avoid paying inheritance tax. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 20:43:27 GMT
If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. I know big Nige and Jeremy are out giving it the long handle today, and it is very difficult for you to disagree with them but nobody is denying anybody, anything. For the circa. 13% of farmers (+ pretend farmers and James Dyson) that this will be impacting they are simply being asked to contribute a more equal share like all those other hard working, reward-deserving folk who haven't decided to buy up farm land to avoid paying inheritance tax. Dyson has worked hard for his money no? He does have a punchable face mind |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 20:51:28 GMT
I have to be honest and say that despite some snarkiness this is a far more interesting topic than the next wank left bank we're going to sign or who's reffing the QPR match. Left bank? I whole heartedly agree it’s more interesting than the Israel thread Freudian slip I guess. Yasser Arafat as a holding midfielder, Netenyahu as a super sub. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 20:54:22 GMT
Left bank? I whole heartedly agree it’s more interesting than the Israel thread Freudian slip I guess. Yasser Arafat as a holding midfielder, Netenyahu as a super sub. Arafat would take no prisoners👀 |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 19, 2024 21:06:08 GMT
Living where I live, there are farms around here, mainly dairy, and all of them are absolutely minted. I’m not sure dairy farming as a whole is as poor as it was painted to be not so long ago. Obviously it won’t be the case for every single one and some will struggle but, from the farmers I know, they are amongst the wealthiest people I know. All of them are either Muller, Arla or Betton Farm. I have no doubts it has its stresses but there are also the vast rewards to be reaped. The amount of land they own and rent out between them is obscene. Not that they shouldn’t, but I find it hard to feel particularly sorry for them where this is concerned. I should also add that all the farmers I know are really good people and some are good friends. If they’re minted it’s because they earned it and who would deny reward for hard work? Apart from the obvious of course. So do you think the Social Fabric of Society in UK is about to collapse because an estimated 500 Farmers per year with assets of more than £3M are being asked to pay half the amount someone would pay on the same amount if it weren't Farm Assets? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 19, 2024 21:15:08 GMT
I know big Nige and Jeremy are out giving it the long handle today, and it is very difficult for you to disagree with them but nobody is denying anybody, anything. For the circa. 13% of farmers (+ pretend farmers and James Dyson) that this will be impacting they are simply being asked to contribute a more equal share like all those other hard working, reward-deserving folk who haven't decided to buy up farm land to avoid paying inheritance tax. Dyson has worked hard for his money no? He does have a punchable face mind I'd say most people on this forum have also worked hard for their money. I don't believe someone like Dyson should be profiting as much as he does of working peoples labour. If James Dyson died tomorrow it would barely impact the day to day operations of his businesses. If all his staff members died tomorrow... I think it would be disastrous. Some of the poorest people I know are the most hard working I've met and are just unfortunate due to the circumstances they've inherited. Being rich doesn't mean you've worked hard. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
They need to fuck off and pay their tax. Twats.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 21:19:55 GMT
Dyson has worked hard for his money no? He does have a punchable face mind I'd say most people on this forum have also worked hard for their money. I don't believe someone like Dyson should be profiting as much as he does of working peoples labour. If James Dyson died tomorrow it would barely impact the day to day operations of his businesses. If all his staff members died tomorrow... I think it would be disastrous. Some of the poorest people I know are the most hard working I've met and are just unfortunate due to the circumstances they've inherited. Being rich doesn't mean you've worked hard. I’m fully aware of that I’m just pointing out a certain section of this board literally hate to see a successful business person who’s worked hard be actually rewarded for their endeavours and yap on about giving money to the never do nothings |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 19, 2024 21:23:49 GMT
Somewhere there's a Malcolm Tucker type character absolutely melting their swede over this.
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Post by redstriper on Nov 19, 2024 21:29:33 GMT
I despair of the petty jealousy on here sometimes. Farmers work fucking hard and take bigger risks every growing season than most people do in a lifetime of pushing paper around at the civil service. This tax is the usual left wing tactic of squeezing the last penny out of hardworking aspirational people whilst allowing the super rich and the generational benefit collectors to play the system. It's the same petty nasty shit as the VAT on fee paying schools which hits those easy targets who work their asses off to give their children the best start in life they can afford.
This country is a basket case.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 19, 2024 21:30:17 GMT
Dyson has worked hard for his money no? He does have a punchable face mind I'd say most people on this forum have also worked hard for their money. I don't believe someone like Dyson should be profiting as much as he does of working peoples labour. If James Dyson died tomorrow it would barely impact the day to day operations of his businesses. If all his staff members died tomorrow... I think it would be disastrous. Some of the poorest people I know are the most hard working I've met and are just unfortunate due to the circumstances they've inherited. Being rich doesn't mean you've worked hard. Exactly, it’s a load of old bollocks. I’m a glorified spreadsheet monkey sat on my arse in my office looking at P&L’s these days, I worked 10 days times harder at HR Johnson’s grafting on continental shifts for a fraction of what I get now. And if money does equate to success some these farmers aren’t very successful judging by the profits they claim to make. Can’t have it both ways…… |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 19, 2024 21:31:21 GMT
I despair of the petty jealousy on here sometimes. Farmers work fucking hard and take bigger risks every growing season than most people do in a lifetime of pushing paper around at the civil service. This tax is the usual left wing tactic of squeezing the last penny out of hardworking aspirational people whilst allowing the super rich and the generational benefit collectors to play the system. It's the same petty nasty shit as the VAT on fee paying schools which hits those easy targets who work their asses off to give their children the best start in life they can afford. This country is a basket case. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 |
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