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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 27, 2024 10:53:12 GMT
Too early to say relegation is likely but these are worrying times
Im all for giving managers time but if, in another month, it is absolutely clear we are only going one way, we need to replace him. And that would then make JWs role questionable
Theres still time to have a half decent season, but Pelach needs to sort this quckly
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Oct 27, 2024 11:16:02 GMT
Are we going down? Will we survive just? Will We finish above half way? Will Pelach get the push? Will Walters get the push? Do you want J Coates to carry on? Should J Coates bring someone into the club to run it for him? If Pelach gets the push,who do you want who would realistically take the job? No Yes No Yes before Boxing Day. Yes before New Year’s Day. Yes Yes Erik Hallie |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2024 12:24:42 GMT
Same as they have been since Hughes’ last season.
Nothing has changed 🤣🤦♂️
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Post by thornestein on Oct 27, 2024 12:28:51 GMT
My thoughts are that the next manager will probably keep us up based on what may i ask ? |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 27, 2024 12:35:40 GMT
Really need Bae and Burger to get back to last seasons form
A fully fit Gallagher and Lawal could make a big difference
On paper I dont think its a relegation squad
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 27, 2024 12:40:38 GMT
The chances we're giving the opposition is completely unsustainable. Every game the opposition ends up with at least 1.5XG against us, which is completely beyond the pale.
The most expected goals against in the division since Narcis came in
There's got to be some evidence soon he can stop the bleeding.
Next 2 home games should be interesting against really rough and tumble Championship shithouse teams who like having the ball the least in the league.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 27, 2024 12:41:44 GMT
The chances we're giving the opposition is completely unsustainable. Every game the opposition ends up with at least 1.5XG against us, which is completely beyond the pale. The most expected goals against in the division since Narcis came in There's got to be some evidence soon he can stop the bleeding. Next 2 home games should be interesting against 3 really rough and tumble Championship shithouse teams who like having the ball the least in the league. isn’t NP data driven so he must see this as well 🤦♂️🤷♂️ |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 27, 2024 13:20:27 GMT
In the 3 seasons prior to Bielsa taking charge Leeds finished 13th, 7th, 13th. During that period it was only the 2014/15 season they were relegation candidates due to the turmoil over the clubs financial future and transfer merry-go round behaviour. I think Pelach is learning. Hopefully it goes right. I know we've played some bad football but we can't just keep on sacking managers and giving them very little time to make an impact. It's having huge negative effects on fans, players, administration and finances. More than anything the club needs stability, we should at least try to get behind the team and manager in order to help out. What's he learnt? Hope is not a strategy. We can’t afford an apprentice coach, we need someone who knows what he’s doing. Who’s he going to learn from anyway, certainly not JW, JC or DW? |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 27, 2024 13:29:03 GMT
I think we will struggle to Xmas while the team gets fully up to speed but will stick with Pelach and the results will improve in the second half of the season and we will end up mid table. There is some quality in the side and we haven't seen what they ate capable of yet. We desperately need a right back and a target man up front but that can be addressed at Xmas. Hopefully Lowal will provide sone presence on midfield when fully fit. Why would any decent target man join a sinking ship? All we could get in the summer was Gallagher who is over the hill, injury prone and never had a good record at his best. Same for rb. Anyway we can’t attract decent players in January because they don’t exist. This is as good as it gets. |
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Post by superpotter on Oct 27, 2024 13:36:22 GMT
Definitely need a right back don’t know who scouted junior and thought he was a championship level player struggles with basic defending , positioning all over the place , no urgency to stop crosses coming in , yesterday Moore could of had 2 from crosses from there left .
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Post by hoofmagic on Oct 27, 2024 13:40:03 GMT
Big mistake getting rid of shuey.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 27, 2024 13:45:19 GMT
Big mistake getting rid of shuey. didn’t bother me , what did was appointing someone with absolutely no experience |
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Post by samuel32 on Oct 27, 2024 13:46:55 GMT
Honestly, JW was a very good footballer but he is an inept psychopath of a director of football who had committed an unforgivable act of self harm to our club.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 27, 2024 15:23:45 GMT
I think we will struggle to Xmas while the team gets fully up to speed but will stick with Pelach and the results will improve in the second half of the season and we will end up mid table. There is some quality in the side and we haven't seen what they ate capable of yet. We desperately need a right back and a target man up front but that can be addressed at Xmas. Hopefully Lowal will provide sone presence on midfield when fully fit. Why would any decent target man join a sinking ship? All we could get in the summer was Gallagher who is over the hill, injury prone and never had a good record at his best. Same for rb. Anyway we can’t attract decent players in January because they don’t exist. This is as good as it gets. The last 2 Xmas windows we got in a couple of players who made a difference. I agree it isn't a great window but I'm talking about 1 or 2 not a major overhaul. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 27, 2024 15:31:52 GMT
Honestly, JW was a very good footballer He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 27, 2024 16:12:50 GMT
Honestly, JW was a very good footballer He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. Very average footballers dont play 200 games plus in the premiership He was a good footballer |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 27, 2024 17:06:26 GMT
He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. Very average footballers dont play 200 games plus in the premiership He was a good footballer I doubt he’d have played that many under anyone other than Tony Pulis in fairness. |
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Post by mrnovember on Oct 27, 2024 17:14:45 GMT
I think we'll survive. Just.
Regards Walters and Pèlach, my faith in thier motivation and ability to improve thier performances, learn from mistakes and find progress, is a boat ride above that of my faith in our owners to replace either successfully.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 27, 2024 17:24:49 GMT
I certainly think the two home games against Derby and Millwall,will tell us alot about where we are and the trajectory we are on..I think we need 4 points from those 2 games to pacify the natives.
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Post by anchorman on Oct 27, 2024 17:25:23 GMT
He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. Very average footballers dont play 200 games plus in the premiership He was a good footballer Spot on. He was a very good player for us at the highest level. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 27, 2024 17:46:26 GMT
I certainly think the two home games against Derby and Millwall,will tell us alot about where we are and the trajectory we are on..I think we need 4 points from those 2 games to pacify the natives. . think we need 6pts,a quarter of games gone,would give us around 48 pts if we keep going the way we are. |
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Post by jontimmis on Oct 27, 2024 17:49:22 GMT
The chances we're giving the opposition is completely unsustainable. Every game the opposition ends up with at least 1.5XG against us, which is completely beyond the pale. The most expected goals against in the division since Narcis came in There's got to be some evidence soon he can stop the bleeding. Next 2 home games should be interesting against 3 really rough and tumble Championship shithouse teams who like having the ball the least in the league. isn’t NP data driven so he must see this as well 🤦♂️🤷♂️ So we are more likely to concede and less likely to score. What a change of direction that is…. Magical |
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 27, 2024 17:52:48 GMT
Very little difference in mid table but we are looking like we are going the wrong way with this lot
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Post by samuel32 on Oct 27, 2024 17:53:13 GMT
Honestly, JW was a very good footballer He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. Good or average footballer, he's an awful DoF, and can get to fuck with this managerial decision. Angry doesn't really cut it |
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Post by jokker on Oct 27, 2024 17:55:39 GMT
Very average footballers dont play 200 games plus in the premiership He was a good footballer Spot on. He was a very good player for us at the highest level. Depends on the definition of 'good player'. For someone who saw himself as an old fashioned number nine 43 goals is a poor eturn for 226 games. But NSSJW played only a handful of matches in his favoured position. Back in the day I defined his role in the team as our first line of defence, and while he was never lined up as a fully fledged defender, many are the times he would rush back during play to help a beleaguered fullback or cover for a centrehalf gone astray after a corner or free kick. In his definition of what was important for the team, he did extremely well. No doubt many have forgotten this, thinking of the club as a top team all the time, but we were perennial strugglers in the PL, always trying to hang on. We did for several years, but when Hughes brought in players that were more glamarous, Walters' appearences grew fewer (injuries also played a part), while the new sunny boys, who refused to do what he had always done without complaining, would see us land in trouble. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 27, 2024 18:44:51 GMT
I think we are really stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Pelach doesn't really have a clue and it's our goalkeeper who is hiding our true form over the last few games.
But also our midfield is complete gash whoever you play there. Attack and defence is very mediocre for this level, but the midfield is the complete embarrassment.
So it's not like any new manager will get us in the top half with this squad.
Walters is a complete charlatan, it doesn't take hindsight to see that.
But letting John Coates make another decision for DoF or head coach also makes me shudder.
This season is already about avoiding the trap door.
I'm losing the will to bother watching the games given the lack of goals and entertainment if ur supporting stoke.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 27, 2024 18:46:52 GMT
And im saying this a day after the game so it's not an emotional rant. This is looking at it through a logical lens.
We are up shit creek and no doubt about it.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 27, 2024 18:53:14 GMT
We have been flirting with the realistic possibility of relegation for several seasons now. It is inevitable that the gravity crocodile is going to get us eventually.
My main concern is that Pelach is extremely inexperienced, with a weak squad, and is overseen by a Sporting Director with limited experience.
Do we have enough character/fight/experience/desire to scramble enough points to steer clear of relegation?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 27, 2024 18:54:22 GMT
I think we are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. Pelach doesn't really have a clue and it's our goalkeeper who is hiding our true form over the last few games. But also our midfield is complete gash whoever you play there. Attack and defence is very mediocre for this level, but the midfield is the complete embarrassment. So it's not like any new manager will get us in the top half with this squad. Walters is a complete charlatan, it doesn't take hindsight to see that. But letting John Coates make another decision for DoF or head coach also makes me shudder. This season is already about avoiding the trap door. I'm losing the will to bother watching the games given the lack of goals and entertainment if ur supporting stoke. Nailed it in all respects. |
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Post by kerouac on Oct 27, 2024 18:54:43 GMT
Honestly, JW was a very good footballer He was a very average footballer who made up for his deficiencies with sheer effort and determination. Spot on…..I found him a very frustrating and quite limited player but seemed to possess enormous self belief and worked hard…..and Coates fell for it. |
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