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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:16:55 GMT
I tell you what the answer isn’t, constant fucking whining. We’re in a period of utter stagnation, it doesn’t make for great viewing but my God Stoke fans are a special breed at times. Plenty of other clubs have seen similar situations, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, some of them without even getting the benefits of affordable season tickets, free travel and the like. Constructive criticism I’m all for we all have an opinion on players, formations, tactics etc. Sounding off on this message board, knock yourself out it’s what it’s here for. But this negatively that surrounds the crowd from the first minute is just draining. Until January the players are the players, and probably the manager is the manager not sure what multiple threads talking about the same things solves. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope these things are often cyclical. Each to their own I guess….. Spot on Stoke fans are unique and embarrassing at times. Why give Campbell dogs abuse today it was always going to happen him scoring and as much as it hurt he was right to cup his ears. It was shit today and the atmosphere was shit. I didn’t boo the players of I just didn’t clap them off. The booing is making us look a joke. The fact we we gifted them the goals makes it worse but we didn’t seem to have a plan going forward. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 26, 2024 17:19:50 GMT
I did mate, and like Bristol game, we came up looking half arsed. If your highlighting a central defender as our shining light for goals, then we have a problem. manhouf looks 3 yards off the pace, cannon probs be more effective playing for Leiceter, our midfield are fucking useless and the defence looks shit. but feel free shit on your hands and clap  It makes no difference what position he plays, Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. I share all of your concerns and merely stress that IN ISOLATION today wasn’t too bad. We gifted them 2 goals. At no point did we look overrun like we did in previous 2 games and for a 1 man midfield, Burger battled hard and made a half decent fist of doing the job of himself and 4 others. I even acknowledged concern about individuals (Milly, junior, canon and Moran to name but 4). I thought we were better today than in midweek and v Norwich. Each to their own. The biggest worry for me today was our attack looked so toothless, slow and weak against their defence. To the point that we continually miss hit passes in to them, through balls were easily snuffed out & their defender just found it so easy to take the ball off them. Their back line won’t have an easier game all season. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2024 17:21:27 GMT
Pearson doesn’t want to be here. I could stand next to Lawal in the post office and I wouldn’t have a clue who he was. I’ve seen more of Gallagher at the golf club this season than I’m ever likely to see of him on the pitch They bring attributes that this team need whether they want to be here or you recognise them. Pearson has been nothing short of wank since he arrived, both on loan and permanently. I’ve never seen Lawal play? Have you? We seem to be pinning an awful lot on a league 1 player not wanted at Celtic. Gallagher looked a good player in the 130 or so minutes he’s played so far. Or should I say, he looked great v Pompey then knackered v Swansea before getting injured, for a change. As I say, if we are pinning our hopes on them, we should probably looking at liquidating the club as soon as possible. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:22:04 GMT
It makes no difference what position he plays, Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. I share all of your concerns and merely stress that IN ISOLATION today wasn’t too bad. We gifted them 2 goals. At no point did we look overrun like we did in previous 2 games and for a 1 man midfield, Burger battled hard and made a half decent fist of doing the job of himself and 4 others. I even acknowledged concern about individuals (Milly, junior, canon and Moran to name but 4). I thought we were better today than in midweek and v Norwich. Each to their own. The biggest worry for me today was our attack looked so toothless, slow and weak against their defence. To the point that we continually miss hit passes in to them, through balls were easily snuffed out & their defender just found it so easy to take the ball off them. Their back line won’t have an easier game all season. The biggest issue is the players inability to pass to another player of the same shirt colour. It’s embarrassing and I’m not sure some of them can be trained to improve or they’re just technically not up to it….. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 26, 2024 17:22:22 GMT
I tell you what the answer isn’t, constant fucking whining. We’re in a period of utter stagnation, it doesn’t make for great viewing but my God Stoke fans are a special breed at times. Plenty of other clubs have seen similar situations, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, some of them without even getting the benefits of affordable season tickets, free travel and the like. Constructive criticism I’m all for we all have an opinion on players, formations, tactics etc. Sounding off on this message board, knock yourself out it’s what it’s here for. But this negatively that surrounds the crowd from the first minute is just draining. Until January the players are the players, and probably the manager is the manager not sure what multiple threads talking about the same things solves. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope these things are often cyclical. Each to their own I guess….. All the clubs you quote have had massive financial problems which led to their collapses and many years of aimlessness. So their fans can at least point to a tangible reason for their struggles. For us it just doesn't make sense which makes it all the more frustrating. All the ingredients for success should be here so why do we continually keep signing the wrong players and appointing the wrong managers? |
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Post by ian57 on Oct 26, 2024 17:22:26 GMT
When hughes took over he added flair to complement pulis’s grafters.
We need to offload junho burger and million and get some steel and physicality into the side then add a bit of flair.
The standard in this league is poor imo but with hard graft and organisation a team could go far in this league.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 26, 2024 17:23:16 GMT
In isolation of today alone, I don’t think we played too badly. Yes we gifted them 2 goals and there was much to be concerned about with certain individuals, but we created better chances than they did yet sadly, familiarly, we didn’t take them again. We have to work so hard for goals yet we gift them easily at the other end. Did we? I missed them. You did. The Phillips header first half and the Koumas chance second half were the best chances of the game. You have got to be scoring both. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2024 17:24:03 GMT
It makes no difference what position he plays, Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. I share all of your concerns and merely stress that IN ISOLATION today wasn’t too bad. We gifted them 2 goals. At no point did we look overrun like we did in previous 2 games and for a 1 man midfield, Burger battled hard and made a half decent fist of doing the job of himself and 4 others. I even acknowledged concern about individuals (Milly, junior, canon and Moran to name but 4). I thought we were better today than in midweek and v Norwich. Each to their own. The biggest worry for me today was our attack looked so toothless, slow and weak against their defence. To the point that we continually miss hit passes in to them, through balls were easily snuffed out & their defender just found it so easy to take the ball off them. Their back line won’t have an easier game all season. Yep. We have to work exceptionally hard to score a goal but we gift them so easily. It’s not a great recipe in truth. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:24:50 GMT
I tell you what the answer isn’t, constant fucking whining. We’re in a period of utter stagnation, it doesn’t make for great viewing but my God Stoke fans are a special breed at times. Plenty of other clubs have seen similar situations, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, some of them without even getting the benefits of affordable season tickets, free travel and the like. Constructive criticism I’m all for we all have an opinion on players, formations, tactics etc. Sounding off on this message board, knock yourself out it’s what it’s here for. But this negatively that surrounds the crowd from the first minute is just draining. Until January the players are the players, and probably the manager is the manager not sure what multiple threads talking about the same things solves. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope these things are often cyclical. Each to their own I guess….. All the clubs you quote have had massive financial problems which led to their collapses and many years of aimlessness. So their fans can at least point to a tangible reason for their struggles. For us it just doesn't make sense which makes it all the more frustrating. All the ingredients for success should be here so why do we continually keep signing the wrong players and appointing the wrong managers? It makes perfect sense. We dropped an absolute bollock by appointing Gary Rowett and giving him full autonomy on spunking £60m up the wall on overpriced dross. Every change since then has been to try and get us back on track from the absolute shit show he left us with player/FFP wise…… |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 26, 2024 17:25:35 GMT
The biggest worry for me today was our attack looked so toothless, slow and weak against their defence. To the point that we continually miss hit passes in to them, through balls were easily snuffed out & their defender just found it so easy to take the ball off them. Their back line won’t have an easier game all season. The biggest issue is the players inability to pass to another player of the same shirt colour. It’s embarrassing and I’m not sure some of them can be trained to improve or they’re just technically not up to it….. Who you blaming for that? |
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 26, 2024 17:25:40 GMT
I did mate, and like Bristol game, we came up looking half arsed. If your highlighting a central defender as our shining light for goals, then we have a problem. manhouf looks 3 yards off the pace, cannon probs be more effective playing for Leiceter, our midfield are fucking useless and the defence looks shit. but feel free shit on your hands and clap It makes no difference what position he plays, Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. I share all of your concerns and merely stress that IN ISOLATION today wasn’t too bad. We gifted them 2 goals. At no point did we look overrun like we did in previous 2 games and for a 1 man midfield, Burger battled hard and made a half decent fist of doing the job of himself and 4 others. I even acknowledged concern about individuals (Milly, junior, canon and Moran to name but 4). I thought we were better today than in midweek and v Norwich. Each to their own. marginally better, still no where near good enough. It does say it all the best two chances (limited as they were) came to a central defender. THAT IS A CONCERN. |
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Post by figo85 on Oct 26, 2024 17:26:55 GMT
When hughes took over he added flair to complement pulis’s grafters. We need to offload junho burger and million and get some steel and physicality into the side then add a bit of flair. The standard in this league is poor imo but with hard graft and organisation a team could go far in this league. Buger, Junho and Million are a by no means perfect, but they’re also equally as far away from being the biggest issues at this club. There’s no point having steel in the midfield if you’ve got Ben Dover and Ben Gobbling playing at the back. |
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Post by figo85 on Oct 26, 2024 17:28:25 GMT
You did. The Phillips header first half and the Koumas chance second half were the best chances of the game. You have got to be scoring both. We created 2 chances all game, maybe 3. How many were on target? 1,2? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2024 17:29:00 GMT
It makes no difference what position he plays, Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. I share all of your concerns and merely stress that IN ISOLATION today wasn’t too bad. We gifted them 2 goals. At no point did we look overrun like we did in previous 2 games and for a 1 man midfield, Burger battled hard and made a half decent fist of doing the job of himself and 4 others. I even acknowledged concern about individuals (Milly, junior, canon and Moran to name but 4). I thought we were better today than in midweek and v Norwich. Each to their own. marginally better, still no where near good enough. It does say it all the best two chances (limited as they were) came to a central defender. THAT IS A CONCERN. Marginally better is still better. We haven’t been anywhere near good enough for a long time and that is unlikely to change any time soon with the players we have. In the main, they are hopeless. Even our best players are pretty crap, the keeper aside yet even he threw one in his own net today. |
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 26, 2024 17:29:49 GMT
When hughes took over he added flair to complement pulis’s grafters. We need to offload junho burger and million and get some steel and physicality into the side then add a bit of flair. The standard in this league is poor imo but with hard graft and organisation a team could go far in this league. You’ve just turned us into Preston North End or Millwall. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:30:02 GMT
The biggest issue is the players inability to pass to another player of the same shirt colour. It’s embarrassing and I’m not sure some of them can be trained to improve or they’re just technically not up to it….. Who you blaming for that? I don’t really feel the need to always pin the blame on an individual, it’s merely an observation made from watching the team regularly. Recruitment, coaching, scouting, throw them all into the mix….. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 26, 2024 17:34:12 GMT
You did. The Phillips header first half and the Koumas chance second half were the best chances of the game. You have got to be scoring both. We created 2 chances all game, maybe 3. How many were on target? 1,2? You're missing the point |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 26, 2024 17:37:12 GMT
Who you blaming for that? I don’t really feel the need to always pin the blame on an individual, it’s merely an observation made from watching the team regularly. Recruitment, coaching, scouting, throw them all into the mix….. All one man's remit |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:39:40 GMT
I don’t really feel the need to always pin the blame on an individual, it’s merely an observation made from watching the team regularly. Recruitment, coaching, scouting, throw them all into the mix….. All one man's remit And? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 26, 2024 17:40:55 GMT
Gallagher,Lawal and Pearson are the hope but when we’ll see them god only knows🤷♂️ You know how desperate we are when you include Pearson in that list. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 26, 2024 17:42:00 GMT
I tell you what the answer isn’t, constant fucking whining. We’re in a period of utter stagnation, it doesn’t make for great viewing but my God Stoke fans are a special breed at times. Plenty of other clubs have seen similar situations, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, some of them without even getting the benefits of affordable season tickets, free travel and the like. Constructive criticism I’m all for we all have an opinion on players, formations, tactics etc. Sounding off on this message board, knock yourself out it’s what it’s here for. But this negatively that surrounds the crowd from the first minute is just draining. Until January the players are the players, and probably the manager is the manager not sure what multiple threads talking about the same things solves. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope these things are often cyclical. Each to their own I guess….. What if we're effectively relegated by that point? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:44:45 GMT
I tell you what the answer isn’t, constant fucking whining. We’re in a period of utter stagnation, it doesn’t make for great viewing but my God Stoke fans are a special breed at times. Plenty of other clubs have seen similar situations, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheff Wed, some of them without even getting the benefits of affordable season tickets, free travel and the like. Constructive criticism I’m all for we all have an opinion on players, formations, tactics etc. Sounding off on this message board, knock yourself out it’s what it’s here for. But this negatively that surrounds the crowd from the first minute is just draining. Until January the players are the players, and probably the manager is the manager not sure what multiple threads talking about the same things solves. Of course there’s hope, there’s always hope these things are often cyclical. Each to their own I guess….. What if we're effectively relegated by that point? Then it is what it is. It’s the “no hope” bit that gets my goat, did we have any hope on the grass bank at Wigan, or at Gillingham under Brian Little? Or coming out of the City Ground after a 0-6 hammering? Of course we have hope……. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 26, 2024 17:46:33 GMT
So now you know why people are moaning. That very same bloke has taken us from probably a mistable finish and some stability to fuck knows what we've got now. All because he's not here to be average, he's here to "get us back in the Premier League". Understand why people are pissed off yet? |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 26, 2024 17:47:21 GMT
What if we're effectively relegated by that point? Then it is what it is. It’s the “no hope” bit that gets my goat, did we have any hope on the grass bank at Wigan, or at Gillingham under Brian Little? Or coming out of the City Ground after a 0-6 hammering? Of course we have hope……. It is what it is. That's the new "Nothing else matters. Get behind the team." Only this time with the utter abomination of a light show to accompany it. |
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Post by jokker on Oct 26, 2024 17:47:27 GMT
If the world stopped turning tonight we couldn't get relegated as we're 19th with five clubs below us.
We lost a match, our first in five, not the whole season.
So there's still hope unless you do desire the worst.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:48:10 GMT
So now you know why people are moaning. That very same bloke has taken us from probably a mistable finish and some stability to fuck knows what we've got now. All because he's not here to be average, he's here to "get us back in the Premier League". Understand why people are pissed off yet? . You’re blaming John Walters for players that signed before he was here not being able to pass to one another? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2024 17:49:07 GMT
They bring attributes that this team need whether they want to be here or you recognise them. Pearson has been nothing short of wank since he arrived, both on loan and permanently. agher I’ve never seen Lawal play? Have you? We seem to be pinning an awful lot on a league 1 player not wanted at Celtic. Gallagher looked a good player in the 130 or so minutes he’s played so far. Or should I say, he looked great v Pompey then knackered v Swansea before getting injured, for a change. As I say, if we are pinning our hopes on them, we should probably looking at liquidating the club as soon as possible. Pearson was very good in his loan period so with respect that’s bollocks.I watched abit of Lawal on TV but apart from that no not a lot but I was talking about his size and physicality which we lack. As for Gallagher I’ve seen enough of him in his Southampton and Blackburn days to know when fit he’s a player. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 17:51:21 GMT
Then it is what it is. It’s the “no hope” bit that gets my goat, did we have any hope on the grass bank at Wigan, or at Gillingham under Brian Little? Or coming out of the City Ground after a 0-6 hammering? Of course we have hope……. It is what it is. That's the new "Nothing else matters. Get behind the team." Only this time with the utter abomination of a light show to accompany it. Yeah we should just keep starting new threads on the Oatcake, scrapping with each other in the stands, sing songs about how shit we are apart from when we’re sat in stoney silence that will show them! We can’t even do gallow humour properly these days…… |
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Post by jokker on Oct 26, 2024 17:53:48 GMT
Phillips 2 chances were easier to score than miss. . It happens to every footballer at some point. Lately it keeps happening for Mbappe, Bellingham, and Phillips. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 26, 2024 17:55:37 GMT
So now you know why people are moaning. That very same bloke has taken us from probably a mistable finish and some stability to fuck knows what we've got now. All because he's not here to be average, he's here to "get us back in the Premier League". Understand why people are pissed off yet? . You’re blaming John Walters for players that signed before he was here not being able to pass to one another? Which players are you talking about and I'll answer your point. |
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