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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 23, 2024 20:17:14 GMT
I don’t think fitness is an issue, we’re just chronically slow which gives the illusion that the players are blowing most of the time.
We haven’t got a single player that you could consider as being quick.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 23, 2024 20:51:59 GMT
I don’t think fitness is an issue, we’re just chronically slow which gives the illusion that the players are blowing most of the time. We haven’t got a single player that you could consider as being quick. Fitness has never been an issue. Attitude has. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 23, 2024 20:54:06 GMT
I don’t think fitness is an issue, we’re just chronically slow which gives the illusion that the players are blowing most of the time. We haven’t got a single player that you could consider as being quick. Fitness has never been an issue. Attitude has. Come on fishers We have both injury and fitness experts on here |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 23, 2024 20:58:43 GMT
Fitness has never been an issue. Attitude has. Come on fishers We have both injury and fitness experts on here I know 🤣. If only the fanbase knew the real truth. Ste still has had no explanation on why he was sacked. Walters plays the part but is now being found out. We're a laughing stock throughout football. It's only a matter of time until he's fucked off. We need yet another overhaul. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 23, 2024 21:00:02 GMT
Come on fishers We have both injury and fitness experts on here I know 🤣. If only the fanbase knew the real truth. Ste still has had no explanation on why he was sacked. Walters plays the part but is now being found out. We're a laughing stock throughout football. It's only a matter of time until he's fucked off. We need yet another overhaul. Was an odd one. We were heading in the right direction You think he might go back to Plymouth at one point? |
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 23, 2024 21:10:19 GMT
Come on fishers We have both injury and fitness experts on here I know 🤣. If only the fanbase knew the real truth. Ste still has had no explanation on why he was sacked. Walters plays the part but is now being found out. We're a laughing stock throughout football. It's only a matter of time until he's fucked off. We need yet another overhaul. I didn’t agree with sacking him but the explanation is obvious isn’t it - they thought Pèlach would be better. Might be proved right, might be proved wrong but that’s basically the bottom line. |
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Post by maine on Oct 23, 2024 21:25:55 GMT
I don't know if it's lack of fitness or lack of speed, but the general movement in search of space seems poor to me.
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Post by jm on Oct 23, 2024 21:33:10 GMT
Come on fishers We have both injury and fitness experts on here I know 🤣. If only the fanbase knew the real truth. Ste still has had no explanation on why he was sacked. Walters plays the part but is now being found out. We're a laughing stock throughout football. It's only a matter of time until he's fucked off. We need yet another overhaul. The players appeared very happy to see the back of Ste |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 23, 2024 21:35:25 GMT
I know 🤣. If only the fanbase knew the real truth. Ste still has had no explanation on why he was sacked. Walters plays the part but is now being found out. We're a laughing stock throughout football. It's only a matter of time until he's fucked off. We need yet another overhaul. The players appeared very happy to see the back of Ste Very obvious judging by recent results 🤦 |
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Post by chad on Oct 23, 2024 21:43:55 GMT
I don't know if it's lack of fitness or lack of speed, but the general movement in search of space seems poor to me. This is exactly what I said last night. Our players seem to attach themselves to an opponent They just never seem to be in space |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 24, 2024 6:32:18 GMT
The players appeared very happy to see the back of Ste Very obvious judging by recent results 🤦 Anyone would think it was personal with you 😁 Why don’t you tell the truth then? I prefer to judge a former Stoke legend who has his heart in Stoke if it’s ok with you |
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Post by PottersBrim on Oct 24, 2024 7:22:51 GMT
Very obvious judging by recent results 🤦 Anyone would think it was personal with you 😁 Why don’t you tell the truth then? I prefer to judge a former Stoke legend who has his heart in Stoke if it’s ok with you Which Stoke legend with his heart in Stoke are we talking about? Is it the one that supports Everton and used to stick transfer requests in or a different one? |
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Post by skip on Oct 24, 2024 7:47:41 GMT
I don’t think fitness is an issue, we’re just chronically slow which gives the illusion that the players are blowing most of the time. We haven’t got a single player that you could consider as being quick. Fitness has never been an issue. Attitude has. I think its motivation perhaps more so than attitude. The club has a real problem when really good young players go on to be better elsewhere, or else it older players, often with long standing injury issues, come here for one or two last seasons in them. We are not signing the best players already performing well in the Championship; 23-29 year old age brackets, solid pros who can perform week in week out. We can't attract them or we don't target them, and I don't know why. I suspect we are now stuck with this reputation, rather than having a clear plan. The lack of clarity means that if we go behind, or like we saw on Tuesday night, it is unbelievably difficult for the players to believe in the methods, regardless of which manager or coach we've got at the time. So much personnel churn is mentally exhausting, in all walks of life. |
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Post by Robo10 on Oct 24, 2024 7:54:40 GMT
The Stoke City squad has been unfit since about 2017 - it was rumoured all Hughes wanted to do was take shots at goal most of the time and didnt take much time with fitness and stuff - it must have been catchy as we havent looked fit since - maybe MoN first few months we seemed to perk up a little fitness wise with late winners (that we dont see often anymore!)
I think there are some positive signs with the new gaffer, he has addressed it and told them to be prepared to work hard and be fitter - it wont happen overnight though and I am sure he will weed out those who dont want to play his way.
I know we were fairly shocking the other night, but we were still putting tackles in late on and didnt lose! We would have done in previous eras.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 24, 2024 8:00:20 GMT
The Stoke City squad has been unfit since about 2017 - it was rumoured all Hughes wanted to do was take shots at goal most of the time and didnt take much time with fitness and stuff - it must have been catchy as we havent looked fit since - maybe MoN first few months we seemed to perk up a little fitness wise with late winners (that we dont see often anymore!) I think there are some positive signs with the new gaffer, he has addressed it and told them to be prepared to work hard and be fitter - it wont happen overnight though and I am sure he will weed out those who dont want to play his way. I know we were fairly shocking the other night, but we were still putting tackles in late on and didnt lose! We would have done in previous eras. I think one area that gave me optimism on Tuesday was our defenders throwing their bodies on the line and blocking shots in and around our box. Yes we might not be the best defensively and the individual mistakes are very frustrating but that is an area where I’ve always thought we were poor in compared to other teams…… |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Oct 24, 2024 8:26:35 GMT
Fitness has the biggest part to play in my opinion, The way we've started games teams havent been able cope with us in terms of playing through our press.
However as soon as we become tired that's when the gaps appeared, players struggling to make them recovery runs. Happened against Hull and Bristol. could literally see the life sapped out of us
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 24, 2024 8:50:06 GMT
Playing out from the back or the high press is great if you have the players capable of doing it, we don’t, don’t think Pep or Klopp could do any better with our current crop.
We need to learn to defend (quickly) and find a system that suits to survive this season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 24, 2024 8:56:54 GMT
We're wide open as soon as we lose the ball, which happens a lot. 442 might have us scoring more but we're too easy to attack.
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Post by ceejays on Oct 24, 2024 9:06:03 GMT
In an era of 5 substitutions the idea that fitness is an issue is plain nonsense imho. Moreover squad sizes are around 40% higher than in the the good old days. Players have people who blow their nose nowadays too. Has any manager tried getting 3 front players to press for say 60 minutes then replacing them with 3 substitutes to ensure 90 minute press ? Or variations thereof . In an era where statistics abound surely someone can produce running stats Stoke v the rest ? Walters for instance always was prominent in the running charts doing 11 to 12 kilometres per game . Not a foolproof way but far more than the subjective comments being made . Midfield atm is lacking physically yet we let Laurent go . He may not have put himself about but he was a presence
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 24, 2024 9:13:42 GMT
I don't think we are lacking fitness, it's more down to intelligence in situations. Poor decision making in moments is probably leading to us wasting energy.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 24, 2024 9:15:03 GMT
We're wide open as soon as we lose the ball, which happens a lot. 442 might have us scoring more but we're too easy to attack. Mainly I think due to the two wider players, Junho and Manhoef, showing no ability or desire to carry out their defensive duties. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Oct 24, 2024 12:22:46 GMT
We're wide open as soon as we lose the ball, which happens a lot. 442 might have us scoring more but we're too easy to attack. Mainly I think due to the two wider players, Junho and Manhoef, showing no ability or desire to carry out their defensive duties. Both of them looked physically and mentally shattered on Tuesday. So half of our midfield were not in the game which makes it impossible for the others. They should both have been hooked at half time given that we had a decent lead to protect. Fitness may be an issue but I think the bigger issue is that the front five are all physically lightweight. Most of the Bristol City players just looked bigger and stronger. Gallagher and hopefully Lawal would make a massive difference to this team. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 24, 2024 12:27:52 GMT
Fitness is one of our problems, eh hem... We can't tackle We can't defend set pieces We can't score from set pieces We can't pass And why oh why don't we have more shots?? I am constantly screaming "HIT THE FUCKING THING", and we play that one wank pass too many. It's confidence. |
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Post by etebojan on Oct 24, 2024 12:34:08 GMT
I think Pete Smith hints at an interesting point in his latest article, that NP has got the team producing some of the biggest physical outputs since relegation according to the player stats. That coupled with having a fairly tight squad and now the run of 3 game weeks, is definitely going to see us needing time to adjust to it. Think it looked like it had caught up with Million and Junho on the wings last night, who'd both not had the 2 week break on international duties they looked shadows of their normal selves. I think we may have to buckle in for a bumpy ride as NP gets the squad fitter and hopefully strengthens the depth a bit in January
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Post by maine on Oct 24, 2024 13:11:29 GMT
At Swansea we were definitely the fitter side. Our movement, though, was light years away.
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Post by scfc1863 on Oct 24, 2024 14:32:15 GMT
We're wide open as soon as we lose the ball, which happens a lot. 442 might have us scoring more but we're too easy to attack. Mainly I think due to the two wider players, Junho and Manhoef, showing no ability or desire to carry out their defensive duties. Totally agree with this observation. Junho and Manhoef are what I'd call luxury players, skilful and could cause problems when we attack but when we haven't got the ball their attitude to working off the ball seems very lacking. With our team at present we can only afford to have one of these in the starting eleven. I would go with Manhoef because he can score, on the left I would then push Bocat further forward with Stevens behind. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 25, 2024 13:03:43 GMT
He's just said in the press conference "In the last 6 games, we are the team in the Championship that have ran the most in all the metrics"
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 25, 2024 13:58:51 GMT
At Swansea we were definitely the fitter side. Our movement, though, was light years away. How come we looked like the team to win it last 15 ? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 25, 2024 14:32:35 GMT
Physicality not fitness is our issue
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 25, 2024 15:43:23 GMT
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