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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 23, 2024 18:34:27 GMT
I think we look a lot fitter than we were before Pelach arrived.
The players just aren't good enough.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 23, 2024 18:40:50 GMT
Were the 2 Cooper and Corboran Dave, or can't you reveal?... Cooper was one. Sheff Weds guy the other? |
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Post by mamathestriker on Oct 23, 2024 18:45:56 GMT
Sheff Weds guy the other? Apparently but not sure. Cooper was definitely spoken to. Us being linked to him, and then plumping for a complete unknown, makes our approach look rather strange. |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 23, 2024 18:47:31 GMT
Just throwing this out there but have you ever considered that the teams we are playing are actually pretty good and far more settled given the amount of change we have faced. We seriously need to take a deep breath and accept the fact that it's going to take some time to get the consistency we all crave.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2024 18:48:32 GMT
Just throwing this out there but have you ever considered that the teams we are playing are actually pretty good and far more settled given the amount of change we have faced. We seriously need to take a deep breath and accept the fact that it's going to take some time to get the consistency we all crave. We are in a bit of whirlwind to be fair. I’m saying nowt till January about the new manager😉 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 23, 2024 18:48:35 GMT
Sheff Weds guy the other? Apparently but not sure. Cooper was definitely spoken to. Us being linked to him, and then plumping for a complete unknown, makes our approach look rather strange. Yep. A bit similar to getting Nathan Jones in to work with a team assembled by Gary Rowett Nothing surprises me anymore ☹️ |
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 23, 2024 18:57:10 GMT
Just throwing this out there but have you ever considered that the teams we are playing are actually pretty good and far more settled given the amount of change we have faced. We seriously need to take a deep breath and accept the fact that it's going to take some time to get the consistency we all crave. We are in a bit of whirlwind to be fair. I’m saying nowt till January about the new manager😉 We’ll likely have a new manager in January. |
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Post by stokest5 on Oct 23, 2024 19:00:29 GMT
Spot on Dave, can't remember the last genuinely quick player we had. Mikel Hansson was rapid, Mark Goodfellow also, but they were a good few years ago.. Etherington? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2024 19:07:32 GMT
SS has to take the blame for fitness. You could tell in the hull gsme, once they were asked to press and put energy in we lasted until half time. Like I’ve said, shame he wasn’t in full pre season then I’m sure with these double training sessions we’d be much fitter. The new manager has been here 5 weeks? I'm all for criticism of poor performance but you're obsession with blaming everything on SS is borderline weird. Fitness is on Schumacher and Walters. Schumacher did pre season. Walters keeps signing players that aren’t fit. Not sure how it can be blamed on Pelach at all. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 19:29:51 GMT
The new manager has been here 5 weeks? I'm all for criticism of poor performance but you're obsession with blaming everything on SS is borderline weird. Fitness is on Schumacher and Walters. Schumacher did pre season. Walters keeps signing players that aren’t fit. Not sure how it can be blamed on Pelach at all. If they're not fit after 5 weeks, 6 games and an international break when are they going to be? |
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Post by skip on Oct 23, 2024 19:36:14 GMT
The new manager has been here 5 weeks? I'm all for criticism of poor performance but you're obsession with blaming everything on SS is borderline weird. Fitness is on Schumacher and Walters. Schumacher did pre season. Walters keeps signing players that aren’t fit. Not sure how it can be blamed on Pelach at all. None of this is on Pelach. However, he's got to start working his magic. I expect he's the sharpest thinker we've had for donkeys years but he's got his work cut out. |
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Post by upthefud on Oct 23, 2024 19:37:16 GMT
SS has to take the blame for fitness. You could tell in the hull gsme, once they were asked to press and put energy in we lasted until half time. Like I’ve said, shame he wasn’t in full pre season then I’m sure with these double training sessions we’d be much fitter. Schumacher was doing a better job with them. Schumacher also said Neil’s players weren’t fit enough. It’s what new managers do. We were fucking atrocious from 15 minutes in and Pelach’s subs were awful |
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Post by misterj on Oct 23, 2024 19:37:24 GMT
Spot on Dave, can't remember the last genuinely quick player we had. Mikel Hansson was rapid, Mark Goodfellow also, but they were a good few years ago.. And before them I’d say Kevin ‘Bomber’ Sheldon in the 70’s and Mark Chamberlain in the 80’s had frightening pace but sadly both were slowed down by horrible injuries? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2024 19:37:49 GMT
Fitness is on Schumacher and Walters. Schumacher did pre season. Walters keeps signing players that aren’t fit. Not sure how it can be blamed on Pelach at all. If they're not fit after 5 weeks, 6 games and an international break when are they going to be? Months if not at all this season. Pre season was wasted and it’s hard to catch up. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 19:39:35 GMT
Fitness is on Schumacher and Walters. Schumacher did pre season. Walters keeps signing players that aren’t fit. Not sure how it can be blamed on Pelach at all. If they're not fit after 5 weeks, 6 games and an international break when are they going to be? Working on fitness as well as meetings with players, trying get all tactical info into them, aren’t they supposed to be doing double training sessions now? If he’s going on about their fitness don’t you think this is what he’ll be trying to get them up to speed on without risking injuries? My obsession with blaming SS? If things are there to pick apart I’ll do it, same as you and others try make him into a super manager. Walters obviously saw stuff behind the scenes. Someone told me last night that training was so bad at times Walters had to take sessions himself? |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 19:40:39 GMT
If they're not fit after 5 weeks, 6 games and an international break when are they going to be? Months if not at all this season. Pre season was wasted and it’s hard to catch up. So every other team can reach a fitness level in a 7 week preseason that we can only achieve in 7 months? |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 19:43:11 GMT
If they're not fit after 5 weeks, 6 games and an international break when are they going to be? Working on fitness as well as meetings with players, trying get all tactical info into them, aren’t they supposed to be doing double training sessions now? If he’s going on about their fitness don’t you think this is what he’ll be trying to get them up to speed on without risking injuries? My obsession with blaming SS? If things are there to pick apart I’ll do it, same as you and others try make him into a super manager. Walters obviously saw stuff behind the scenes. Someone told me last night that training was so bad at times Walters had to take sessions himself? I haven't made him out to be a super manager, the same as I haven't written Narcis off. Less said about Jon Walters the better. He's been an absolute disaster for the football club to date. Presumably now we're doing so well he doesn't see the need to take training himself? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 23, 2024 19:52:56 GMT
The fitness thing one of this boards best myths
We were over run in midfield as we don't have the players
In fact how bad we were last night, we had 2 great chances to win it late on through Tchamadeu who should have shot and Ennis
Ginished the better side V Norwich and Swans
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 23, 2024 19:56:53 GMT
The season is a write off already unless we somehow land ourselves in a serious relegation scrap. At some point, we just need to accept this and give the coach and club the time to have the longest pre-season in history in readiness for next season. I have no idea if they aren't fit, are unfit or simply aren't fit enough but every signing we make just seems ridiculously one paced. Mmaee, Canon, Vidigal, Milly, Junho, even Koumas...none could be described as fast and in a straight foot race, even with a healthy headstart, you wouldn't back a single one of our players to outrun anyone. This is exacerbated even more in defensive situations because once an opposition player is past his marker, there is no way any of our players are catching them. Pedestrian is a word I often use in relation to our team. Everything we do is "pedestrian". Only Johnansson shows any kind of urgency to get play moving quickly. Spot on. Also, if you pass the ball as badly as this group of players do then you'll be chasing it for longer periods and fitness levels will go quicker. The passing last night was as bad as I've ever seen from a Stoke team. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 19:58:25 GMT
SS has to take the blame for fitness. You could tell in the hull gsme, once they were asked to press and put energy in we lasted until half time. Like I’ve said, shame he wasn’t in full pre season then I’m sure with these double training sessions we’d be much fitter. Schumacher was doing a better job with them. Schumacher also said Neil’s players weren’t fit enough. It’s what new managers do. We were fucking atrocious from 15 minutes in and Pelach’s subs were awful Were we not useless at Oxford, and other games under SS? His game wasn’t based on high energy high press football. You could tell that in the hull game. They lasted 45 minutes before they were fucked. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 20:04:03 GMT
Working on fitness as well as meetings with players, trying get all tactical info into them, aren’t they supposed to be doing double training sessions now? If he’s going on about their fitness don’t you think this is what he’ll be trying to get them up to speed on without risking injuries? My obsession with blaming SS? If things are there to pick apart I’ll do it, same as you and others try make him into a super manager. Walters obviously saw stuff behind the scenes. Someone told me last night that training was so bad at times Walters had to take sessions himself? I haven't made him out to be a super manager, the same as I haven't written Narcis off. Less said about Jon Walters the better. He's been an absolute disaster for the football club to date. Presumably now we're doing so well he doesn't see the need to take training himself? Depends what he’s seeing in training. If he’s seeing high intensity and good sessions put on. I know sometimes players can say whatever suites but it’s pretty telling when they were saying when asked the other day it’s been a breath of fresh air, don’t you think? |
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Oct 23, 2024 20:04:12 GMT
It seems clear we can’t play two high intensity games in a week,which is a massive prerequisite in this league…..why on earth is this the case? We looked fucked for 3/4’s of that match last night after having obviously shot our load v Norwich. Most teams look far fitter and stronger resulting in being too easily knocked off the ball and not getting to the second ball quick enough. What’s been going on over the last several seasons for this to be the case? My opinion is not fitness we’re just too lightweight across the midfield. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 20:06:43 GMT
The fitness thing one of this boards best myths We were over run in midfield as we don't have the players In fact how bad we were last night, we had 2 great chances to win it late on through Tchamadeu who should have shot and Ennis Ginished the better side V Norwich and Swans We haven’t got the players back from injury he’d like and would make a massive difference, and he hasn’t been able to bring any in who he would like yet so some of the criticism is unfair for me. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 20:07:33 GMT
I haven't made him out to be a super manager, the same as I haven't written Narcis off. Less said about Jon Walters the better. He's been an absolute disaster for the football club to date. Presumably now we're doing so well he doesn't see the need to take training himself? Depends what he’s seeing in training. If he’s seeing high intensity and good sessions put on. I know sometimes players can say whatever suites but it’s pretty telling when they were saying when asked the other day it’s been a breath of fresh air, don’t you think? If you can find me one interview with a player saying the new manager is wank after 5 weeks I'll take your point. |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 20:08:00 GMT
The season is a write off already unless we somehow land ourselves in a serious relegation scrap. At some point, we just need to accept this and give the coach and club the time to have the longest pre-season in history in readiness for next season. I have no idea if they aren't fit, are unfit or simply aren't fit enough but every signing we make just seems ridiculously one paced. Mmaee, Canon, Vidigal, Milly, Junho, even Koumas...none could be described as fast and in a straight foot race, even with a healthy headstart, you wouldn't back a single one of our players to outrun anyone. This is exacerbated even more in defensive situations because once an opposition player is past his marker, there is no way any of our players are catching them. Pedestrian is a word I often use in relation to our team. Everything we do is "pedestrian". Only Johnansson shows any kind of urgency to get play moving quickly. Spot on. Also, if you pass the ball as badly as this group of players do then you'll be chasing it for longer periods and fitness levels will go quicker. The passing last night was as bad as I've ever seen from a Stoke team. How long have you been going a couple of months? 😂 |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 20:08:07 GMT
The fitness thing one of this boards best myths We were over run in midfield as we don't have the players In fact how bad we were last night, we had 2 great chances to win it late on through Tchamadeu who should have shot and Ennis Ginished the better side V Norwich and Swans We haven’t got the players back from injury he’d like and would make a massive difference, and he hasn’t been able to bring any in who he would like yet so some of the criticism is unfair for me. Who would make a massive difference? |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 20:09:30 GMT
Depends what he’s seeing in training. If he’s seeing high intensity and good sessions put on. I know sometimes players can say whatever suites but it’s pretty telling when they were saying when asked the other day it’s been a breath of fresh air, don’t you think? If you can find me one interview with a player saying the new manager is wank after 5 weeks I'll take your point. You’ll find players saying the odd comment like they’re enjoying it etc, but to say it’s like a breath of fresh air is pretty telling to me |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 23, 2024 20:10:33 GMT
We haven’t got the players back from injury he’d like and would make a massive difference, and he hasn’t been able to bring any in who he would like yet so some of the criticism is unfair for me. Who would make a massive difference? If I’ve got to answer that you’re not with debating with, bloody hell |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 23, 2024 20:15:03 GMT
Spot on. Also, if you pass the ball as badly as this group of players do then you'll be chasing it for longer periods and fitness levels will go quicker. The passing last night was as bad as I've ever seen from a Stoke team. How long have you been going a couple of months? 😂 49 years. Lsdt nights passing was a disgrace |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 23, 2024 20:15:57 GMT
Who would make a massive difference? If I’ve got to answer that you’re not with debating with, bloody hell It's a genuine question. Lawal has never kicked a ball for the club and is a complete unknown. Ben Pearson? Lyndon Gooch? He's the only manager in the history of Stoke City that's been able to use Sam Gallagher so if it's him I'm not sure why you're being so critical of the previous manager that couldn't use him? |
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