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Post by upthefud on Sept 28, 2024 20:32:04 GMT
Just having a little think as to why I feel more fucked off with things than I usually do over this god awful 8 year stint we’re enduring.
I’ve landed on it being because for once we sacked a manager we didn’t universally hate and replaced him with a completely unknown first team coach, then we’ve had every man and his dog come out and try to sell to us how good Pelach is, when in fact our very eyes show how far we’ve regressed. I understand it’s 2 games but when you come into a team that aren’t woefully underperforming you don’t get the same grace period.
I do still think we have a competent and promising young squad so I’ll give Walters his due for that, but replacing Schuey when he did is looking absolutely bewildering.
I do still think Coates has our absolute best interests at heart. He must be as frustrated and sick of it as the rest of us - more so given how much it costs him.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 28, 2024 20:33:51 GMT
Spot on, it's the platitudes behind the scenes that do my head in from the likes of Ben Gibson. We're not stupid.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 28, 2024 20:42:15 GMT
Just having a little think as to why I feel more fucked off with things than I usually do over this god awful 8 year stint we’re enduring. I’ve landed on it being because for once we sacked a manager we didn’t universally hate and replaced him with a completely unknown first team coach, then we’ve had every man and his dog come out and try to sell to us how good Pelach is, when in fact our very eyes show how far we’ve regressed. I understand it’s 2 games but when you come into a team that aren’t woefully underperforming you don’t get the same grace period. I do still think we have a competent and promising young squad so I’ll give Walters his due for that, but replacing Schuey when he did is looking absolutely bewildering. I do still think Coates has our absolute best interests at heart. He must be as frustrated and sick of it as the rest of us - more so given how much it costs him. But does JC have to admit to himself he just can't do the role. He's a lovely kind man by all accounts. But is he just not cut out for it. No shame by the way. I couldn't do it. I can pretend my nipper is good enough to play for real madrid. Doesnt mean he can or will ever get the chance.. |
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 28, 2024 20:42:47 GMT
It wasn’t needed and if they were going to do it, it should have been in the summer. They should have also got a manager to suit the squad, or vice versa.
Really hope it works out well, but at the moment it looks like; no need, wrong time, wrong manager, wrong squad.
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Post by degoeystache on Sept 28, 2024 21:17:09 GMT
For me we ended the season strongly albeit some teams were probably on the beach. We had a bit of optimism going into the summer and felt like a connection between the team and fans was coming back. We then sack the manager 5 league games in after a pre season and transfer window and an international break to bring in a complete unknown.
On top of that we have gone from building a team that would potentially suit the manager at the time to throwing it all out the window for a manager who wants possession based football from the keeper and we don’t have the players for that.
Schumacher was never going to take us to the promised land but he was liked by a majority of the fans and it looked liked we had finally turned a corner. We are now back to the same shit we do most years of sacking a manager/head coach a few weeks after a transfer window closes.
I can’t see how the fans will be on board with tippy tappy possession from the back as most of the fans don’t have the patience, whereas Schumacher wasn’t a fan of possession football that goes nowhere and we would try play at a higher tempo.
I’m just incredibly pissed off with it all as it felt like we were moving forward and then the coach gets sacked and we go back to square one. We are run by an owner who doesn’t have a clue, but has the best interest's of the club at heart, a DOF who has very limited experience and a head coach who has never been a head coach at this level before, a complete recipe for disaster.
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Post by mcw on Sept 28, 2024 21:59:33 GMT
Fuming as it seems impossible for us to put a team out that can compete. Christ I’d take playing like Rotherham last season over this shite. We have allusions internally that the powers that be have somehow put together a squad that is “talented”. It fucking isn’t it is weak as piss with the experienced players being total crocks or legs gone at this level. We have NO idea how to play as a team, no idea what our strengths are other than the mythical idea that we should be doing better than we are. We are becoming a laughing stock.
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:13:25 GMT
Fuming as it seems impossible for us to put a team out that can compete. Christ I’d take playing like Rotherham last season over this shite. We have allusions internally that the powers that be have somehow put together a squad that is “talented”. It fucking isn’t it is weak as piss with the experienced players being total crocks or legs gone at this level. We have NO idea how to play as a team, no idea what our strengths are other than the mythical idea that we should be doing better than we are. We are becoming a laughing stock. In an interview immediately after the new manager was appointed, Walters said they knew this squad would not be challenging for the play offs this year. Given this statement and the current structure, (a) why wasn’t the recruitment better to make us more competitive, and (b) if the powers that be know the squad isn’t strong enough, why did Schumacher deserve to be sacked? The whole thing is a complete clusterfuck and has been for at least 18 months before we got relegated from the Prem. A complete shambles! |
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Post by Gods on Sept 28, 2024 22:14:41 GMT
For me we ended the season strongly albeit some teams were probably on the beach. We had a bit of optimism going into the summer and felt like a connection between the team and fans was coming back. We then sack the manager 5 league games in after a pre season and transfer window and an international break to bring in a complete unknown. On top of that we have gone from building a team that would potentially suit the manager at the time to throwing it all out the window for a manager who wants possession based football from the keeper and we don’t have the players for that. Schumacher was never going to take us to the promised land but he was liked by a majority of the fans and it looked liked we had finally turned a corner. We are now back to the same shit we do most years of sacking a manager/head coach a few weeks after a transfer window closes. I can’t see how the fans will be on board with tippy tappy possession from the back as most of the fans don’t have the patience, whereas Schumacher wasn’t a fan of possession football that goes nowhere and we would try play at a higher tempo. I’m just incredibly pissed off with it all as it felt like we were moving forward and then the coach gets sacked and we go back to square one. We are run by an owner who doesn’t have a clue, but has the best interest's of the club at heart, a DOF who has very limited experience and a head coach who has never been a head coach at this level before, a complete recipe for disaster. Excellent post. The voice of reason. |
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Post by pushon on Sept 28, 2024 22:27:44 GMT
Just having a little think as to why I feel more fucked off with things than I usually do over this god awful 8 year stint we’re enduring. I’ve landed on it being because for once we sacked a manager we didn’t universally hate and replaced him with a completely unknown first team coach, then we’ve had every man and his dog come out and try to sell to us how good Pelach is, when in fact our very eyes show how far we’ve regressed. I understand it’s 2 games but when you come into a team that aren’t woefully underperforming you don’t get the same grace period. I do still think we have a competent and promising young squad so I’ll give Walters his due for that, but replacing Schuey when he did is looking absolutely bewildering. I do still think Coates has our absolute best interests at heart. He must be as frustrated and sick of it as the rest of us - more so given how much it costs him. But does JC have to admit to himself he just can't do the role. He's a lovely kind man by all accounts. But is he just not cut out for it. No shame by the way. I couldn't do it. I can pretend my nipper is good enough to play for real madrid. Doesnt mean he can or will ever get the chance.. But JC is the owner and Chairman of the Board. He's appointed a Director of Football to manage/oversee the Objectives prescribed by the Board. It's, presumably, Jon Walters role to appoint and instruct the Head Coach and players on the Objective required. |
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Post by pistol on Sept 28, 2024 22:29:06 GMT
The biggest thing for me is that the people at the very top don’t seem to recognise that there is a problem. All the comms that come out of the club are like they’re living in some parallel universe where we haven’t had disaster after disaster of a season.
We can’t keep ripping up the team and rebuilding year after year. We can’t keep relying on loan players to fill key roles in the team.
We can’t keep having expectations for us to challenge at the top of the league every season. I would take a couple of seasons of establishing ourselves as a solid championship outfit and then having a push at promotion. The fans surely aren’t deluded enough to think that we are good enough to go up every year so why are the top brass at the club.
Its nuts. I just want match days to be fun again, win more than we lose and watch some exciting, committed football.
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Post by watcher on Sept 28, 2024 22:34:17 GMT
Effort! Simple as. When can we honestly say we’ve gone out and put a shift in match after match??? It’s your starting point. We don’t do it . We’re so slow it’s ridiculous.
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Post by Ron on Sept 28, 2024 22:37:59 GMT
Just having a little think as to why I feel more fucked off with things than I usually do over this god awful 8 year stint we’re enduring. I’ve landed on it being because for once we sacked a manager we didn’t universally hate and replaced him with a completely unknown first team coach, then we’ve had every man and his dog come out and try to sell to us how good Pelach is, when in fact our very eyes show how far we’ve regressed. I understand it’s 2 games but when you come into a team that aren’t woefully underperforming you don’t get the same grace period. I do still think we have a competent and promising young squad so I’ll give Walters his due for that, but replacing Schuey when he did is looking absolutely bewildering. I do still think Coates has our absolute best interests at heart. He must be as frustrated and sick of it as the rest of us - more so given how much it costs him. i ageee with everything apart from the notion this is a competent squad. It is anything but. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 28, 2024 22:42:20 GMT
Who says Schumacher wouldn't have taken us up? He was only here 6 months not counting close season!
Finished with more points than the previous season and we were 2 points off the drop when he came.
Took McGrory Waddo and Pulis several years to get us promoted.
They have really fucked up big time
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Post by robstokie on Sept 28, 2024 22:57:20 GMT
Who says Schumacher wouldn't have taken us up? He was only here 6 months not counting close season! Finished with more points than the previous season and we were 2 points off the drop when he came. Took McGrory Waddo and Pulis several years to get us promoted. They have really fucked up big time Its an absolute Clusterfuck of an appointment. All the progress we made under Schuey over the last 9 months has been reversed and more over the last fortnight! We don't look like creating a chance, let alone scoring with this ponderous build up play, we can't defend to save our life - their poor finishing and Viktor saved us from a pummelling today, young players have been chucked down the order behind less deserving plodders again and we look to collectively crumble at the first sign of adversity. Genuinely think if we persist with this chancer we will go down - why are we playing a style that's so ill-suited to our current squad, it reeks of someone whose ego is bigger than their talent, and this stubbornness will lead us to new lows. Pelach Out! Walters Out! Coates Out! |
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 29, 2024 9:51:31 GMT
The trouble with our club is we try play football from the back its slow and not exiting we are stoke not man city, get the fucking ball up the top end of the pitch use our wingers more ie Manhoef and Koumas let them use there pace and take defenders on so our forwards can try get on the end of things, fuck this slow tippy tappy football off, more goals are conceded by teams trying piss about with it in the build up of play,
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Post by superpotter on Sept 29, 2024 11:47:28 GMT
Don’t think I’m going to pay to watch it , it’s shit , slow , boring , predictable you just know we will lose the ball or lump it anyway . Makes me nervous probably makes the keeper nervous. Garbage to watch , embarrassing when we can’t do it . Teams must be thinking what the fuck is going on here . They are doing what he’s coaching them to do so I blame him and the man that hired him .
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 29, 2024 11:49:58 GMT
No matter how bad it seems, you can’t access a manager on two games.
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Post by UNKLE on Sept 29, 2024 12:22:35 GMT
2 games is clearly too early to write off the style NP wants to adopt but we clearly haven’t got the players for it at the moment.
We’ve seen teams with slow build up passing (and pissing) about at the back and unless you’ve got truly gifted footballers as defenders then the opposition will press for a mistake. Southampton are a good example at the moment.
We know our squad is disjointed but the supposed better footballers are at the other end of the pitch…Koumas, Milllion, Bae, Moran. Get the ball to them efficiently and quickly, we’re not going to create chances on the edge of our 18 yard box. I know the counter argument…we’ll draw their attack and midfield forward and create spaces for our midfield to exploit behind but we either don’t have the personnel or the way of playing trained in for us to adopt this now.
I so want NP to succeed but can they not twin track their training, instilling the possession approach slowly until the current players have learnt and are adept at it or until he’s bought his own players to implement, while working on a way of getting the maximum performance out of the players at his disposal.
I get NP has god-forbid “non-negotiables” but surely he can pair it back a bit without go against his footballing principles.
We’ve seen with Schumacher, Neil and Mad Nath that when you are under pressure, and another couple of games without a win we will be deep in it, that the atmosphere will be toxic, players will shit it, and what you think you are able to adopt will also go to shit.
I seemed to remember Schumacher that you should be looking for every pass to go forward…..
NP realise where you are, who you’ve got and who you’re trying to impress. You need to put some wins together very quickly.
A fortnight ago I didn’t think we were in danger of going down. Now i can see a difficult season ahead.
A win against Pompey will help to settle the ship.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 29, 2024 12:39:51 GMT
For me we ended the season strongly albeit some teams were probably on the beach. We had a bit of optimism going into the summer and felt like a connection between the team and fans was coming back. We then sack the manager 5 league games in after a pre season and transfer window and an international break to bring in a complete unknown. On top of that we have gone from building a team that would potentially suit the manager at the time to throwing it all out the window for a manager who wants possession based football from the keeper and we don’t have the players for that. Schumacher was never going to take us to the promised land but he was liked by a majority of the fans and it looked liked we had finally turned a corner. We are now back to the same shit we do most years of sacking a manager/head coach a few weeks after a transfer window closes. I can’t see how the fans will be on board with tippy tappy possession from the back as most of the fans don’t have the patience, whereas Schumacher wasn’t a fan of possession football that goes nowhere and we would try play at a higher tempo. I’m just incredibly pissed off with it all as it felt like we were moving forward and then the coach gets sacked and we go back to square one. We are run by an owner who doesn’t have a clue, but has the best interest's of the club at heart, a DOF who has very limited experience and a head coach who has never been a head coach at this level before, a complete recipe for disaster. Excellent post. The voice of reason. Agree hugely with that. It's not what any of us signed up for this season, and after the trauma of the past few, a steady mid-table outcome without worrying about relegation would have been progress enough for most people. Right now I'd take another COVID season so I don't have to go and watch this turgid, self inflicted mess that apparently is modern football. |
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Post by degoeystache on Sept 29, 2024 22:30:12 GMT
Excellent post. The voice of reason. Agree hugely with that. It's not what any of us signed up for this season, and after the trauma of the past few, a steady mid-table outcome without worrying about relegation would have been progress enough for most people. Right now I'd take another COVID season so I don't have to go and watch this turgid, self inflicted mess that apparently is modern football. Totally agree. “It’s boring finishing mid table with nothing to play for” oh god how I would take that after last season. A season in mid table building some foundation looking to build our reputation up and move forward from there. However I’ll be there Wednesday in the shit arse weather hoping to find something optimistic to cling from our new manager. Hopefully we see something positive we can move forward with. |
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Post by tuum on Sept 30, 2024 1:09:04 GMT
2 games is clearly too early to write off the style NP wants to adopt but we clearly haven’t got the players for it at the moment. We’ve seen teams with slow build up passing (and pissing) about at the back and unless you’ve got truly gifted footballers as defenders then the opposition will press for a mistake. Southampton are a good example at the moment. We know our squad is disjointed but the supposed better footballers are at the other end of the pitch…Koumas, Milllion, Bae, Moran. Get the ball to them efficiently and quickly, we’re not going to create chances on the edge of our 18 yard box. I know the counter argument…we’ll draw their attack and midfield forward and create spaces for our midfield to exploit behind but we either don’t have the personnel or the way of playing trained in for us to adopt this now. I so want NP to succeed but can they not twin track their training, instilling the possession approach slowly until the current players have learnt and are adept at it or until he’s bought his own players to implement, while working on a way of getting the maximum performance out of the players at his disposal. I get NP has god-forbid “non-negotiables” but surely he can pair it back a bit without go against his footballing principles. We’ve seen with Schumacher, Neil and Mad Nath that when you are under pressure, and another couple of games without a win we will be deep in it, that the atmosphere will be toxic, players will shit it, and what you think you are able to adopt will also go to shit. I seemed to remember Schumacher that you should be looking for every pass to go forward….. NP realise where you are, who you’ve got and who you’re trying to impress. You need to put some wins together very quickly. A fortnight ago I didn’t think we were in danger of going down. Now i can see a difficult season ahead. A win against Pompey will help to settle the ship. Pretty much agree with every paragraph of that post especially about the inevitable results on the players and NP's ability to influence them should the fans turn toxic. We all need to calm down, take a step back and breathe a little bit. |
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Post by theglove on Sept 30, 2024 1:11:32 GMT
2 games is clearly too early to write off the style NP wants to adopt but we clearly haven’t got the players for it at the moment. We’ve seen teams with slow build up passing (and pissing) about at the back and unless you’ve got truly gifted footballers as defenders then the opposition will press for a mistake. Southampton are a good example at the moment. We know our squad is disjointed but the supposed better footballers are at the other end of the pitch…Koumas, Milllion, Bae, Moran. Get the ball to them efficiently and quickly, we’re not going to create chances on the edge of our 18 yard box. I know the counter argument…we’ll draw their attack and midfield forward and create spaces for our midfield to exploit behind but we either don’t have the personnel or the way of playing trained in for us to adopt this now. I so want NP to succeed but can they not twin track their training, instilling the possession approach slowly until the current players have learnt and are adept at it or until he’s bought his own players to implement, while working on a way of getting the maximum performance out of the players at his disposal. I get NP has god-forbid “non-negotiables” but surely he can pair it back a bit without go against his footballing principles. We’ve seen with Schumacher, Neil and Mad Nath that when you are under pressure, and another couple of games without a win we will be deep in it, that the atmosphere will be toxic, players will shit it, and what you think you are able to adopt will also go to shit. I seemed to remember Schumacher that you should be looking for every pass to go forward….. NP realise where you are, who you’ve got and who you’re trying to impress. You need to put some wins together very quickly. A fortnight ago I didn’t think we were in danger of going down. Now i can see a difficult season ahead. A win against Pompey will help to settle the ship. I'm sure he said something like he'd adopt a style of play to suit the players. I wonder when that will happen. |
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Post by callas12 on Sept 30, 2024 1:47:13 GMT
Excellent post. The voice of reason. Agree hugely with that. It's not what any of us signed up for this season, and after the trauma of the past few, a steady mid-table outcome without worrying about relegation would have been progress enough for most people. Right now I'd take another COVID season so I don't have to go and watch this turgid, self inflicted mess that apparently is modern football. 'It's not what any of us signed up for this season' is an interesting quote that's got me thinking. We were all sold the idea that Schumacher was our manager for this coming 24/25 season and commited ourselves to the club earlier on in the year and technically signed on again in the belief that SS was going to be our leader throughout the coming season, barring any major issues or catastrophe on the pitch affecting results. Now if the paying public aren't happy with results or the way things are playing out, we as fans and the paying supporters of our club would be the first to air our dissatisfaction and let SS and the board know that we weren't happy. We could demand a change, doesn't mean we necessarily get one, but as paying supporters of our club we'd at least have a voice and be heard! The fact that we'd had a mixed bag start to the season was neither here or there for myself & I'm guessing the vast majority of Stoke fans, when it came for questioning Schumachers ability to coach/manage our club! He would have at least deserved until the October International Break if not the November one before we started to assess how he had started the season and be more confident in our belief of whether we felt he was the right man to keep in post and to take us forward or not. This decision was taken out of our hands and was a an absolute shock to the vast majority of people connected to Stoke. So in a loose comparison we've all technically signed up to use an Audi A4 for the year from the garage, but a week or so after driving it away we've had a call to return it as we're now being given an Audi A3 to use for the year instead, for the same money! Yeah it might be OK but it's certainly not what we thought we were getting & not what we'd signed up to initially. We hadn't complained about the A4 which was running along quite well, & now we've had to trade it back in for an A3 that might or might not be better than the A4 in the longer term. So basically if this manager change that's been forced on us doesn't work out, we've technically been mis-sold what we thought we were purchasing back in April/May time! Of course in football there are never any guarantees, & it's up the football club owner what they decide to do ultimately, but as paying fans and a big part of a clubs regular income, in a way we our stakeholders of the product we pay to watch & surely we deserve better or more of an explanation as to what's actually gone on here. The timing, the decision making process, the pre season, the transfer window, absolutely nothing about what happened a few weeks ago makes any sense what so ever. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 30, 2024 4:27:49 GMT
Fuming as it seems impossible for us to put a team out that can compete. Christ I’d take playing like Rotherham last season over this shite. We have allusions internally that the powers that be have somehow put together a squad that is “talented”. It fucking isn’t it is weak as piss with the experienced players being total crocks or legs gone at this level. We have NO idea how to play as a team, no idea what our strengths are other than the mythical idea that we should be doing better than we are. We are becoming a laughing stock. In an interview immediately after the new manager was appointed, Walters said they knew this squad would not be challenging for the play offs this year. Given this statement and the current structure, (a) why wasn’t the recruitment better to make us more competitive, and (b) if the powers that be know the squad isn’t strong enough, why did Schumacher deserve to be sacked? The whole thing is a complete clusterfuck and has been for at least 18 months before we got relegated from the Prem. A complete shambles! Big generous argument: after a season Bae/Burger/Manhoef will get more championship consistent, lads like Lawal/Bocat will learn the league and Sidibé/Tezgel/Junior/maybe others will develop. Imagine if that worked out, we'd be in a fantastic position. IMO that's at least an option for (a). But fuck me, there's no way I can make logical sense of (b) and firing Schuey so soon. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 30, 2024 10:48:38 GMT
There was no reason atall to bring in another Coach at this time.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2024 11:51:14 GMT
2 games is clearly too early to write off the style NP wants to adopt but we clearly haven’t got the players for it at the moment. We’ve seen teams with slow build up passing (and pissing) about at the back and unless you’ve got truly gifted footballers as defenders then the opposition will press for a mistake. Southampton are a good example at the moment. We know our squad is disjointed but the supposed better footballers are at the other end of the pitch…Koumas, Milllion, Bae, Moran. Get the ball to them efficiently and quickly, we’re not going to create chances on the edge of our 18 yard box. I know the counter argument…we’ll draw their attack and midfield forward and create spaces for our midfield to exploit behind but we either don’t have the personnel or the way of playing trained in for us to adopt this now. I so want NP to succeed but can they not twin track their training, instilling the possession approach slowly until the current players have learnt and are adept at it or until he’s bought his own players to implement, while working on a way of getting the maximum performance out of the players at his disposal. I get NP has god-forbid “non-negotiables” but surely he can pair it back a bit without go against his footballing principles. We’ve seen with Schumacher, Neil and Mad Nath that when you are under pressure, and another couple of games without a win we will be deep in it, that the atmosphere will be toxic, players will shit it, and what you think you are able to adopt will also go to shit. I seemed to remember Schumacher that you should be looking for every pass to go forward….. NP realise where you are, who you’ve got and who you’re trying to impress. You need to put some wins together very quickly. A fortnight ago I didn’t think we were in danger of going down. Now i can see a difficult season ahead. A win against Pompey will help to settle the ship. Southampton are a great example - last season they took ridiculous risks and basically relied on championship forwards being shit. They were incredibly luck against us at home last season. Burnley were the same there year before. They've both taken the same approach in the premier league and have been found out massively. You can't outfootball better footballers. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 30, 2024 15:01:22 GMT
For me, the right call to sack Schumacher. Firstly, he was nothing special and needed a good run at the end of season because he’d gotten us into a real mess himself after the initial new manager bounce he got. I wasn’t convinced by performances under him, and we didn’t seem to be improving. Oxford away was telling, playing Lyndon Gooch at 10 ffs. We constantly changed shape and style depending on the opposition and had no real defined style or identity, despite a relatively big budget. Added to this, we were woefully short on goals and chances created throughout his tenure - and he never really seemed to make any progress in addressing it. So many shit performances.
On top of the above, I think the fact that he came in before we appointed a DOF may have led to some friction in that his expectations over his remit at the outset we no longer consistent with the direction the club (ergo the owner) wanted to take. He was clearly desperate to sign Cundle, and the club I believe wouldn’t sanction it. There may be other examples. Frankly, I think it was the right call, this model will not work if the manager is working against the club in that sense.
I agree with other posters that we should have either done this in the summer or waited for the inevitable later this season but I applaud the ruthlessness of Walters in the scenario, it is something we have lacked for too long as a club. He has hung his arse out of the window on this one and you can only come to conclusion that he’s done that because he thinks that’s what’s best for the club. Unless of course you believe he is an evil narcissistic wanker…..
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Post by baconburger on Sept 30, 2024 15:30:14 GMT
For me, the right call to sack Schumacher. Firstly, he was nothing special and needed a good run at the end of season because he’d gotten us into a real mess himself after the initial new manager bounce he got. I wasn’t convinced by performances under him, and we didn’t seem to be improving. Oxford away was telling, playing Lyndon Gooch at 10 ffs. We constantly changed shape and style depending on the opposition and had no real defined style or identity, despite a relatively big budget. Added to this, we were woefully short on goals and chances created throughout his tenure - and he never really seemed to make any progress in addressing it. So many shit performances. On top of the above, I think the fact that he came in before we appointed a DOF may have led to some friction in that his expectations over his remit at the outset we no longer consistent with the direction the club (ergo the owner) wanted to take. He was clearly desperate to sign Cundle, and the club I believe wouldn’t sanction it. There may be other examples. Frankly, I think it was the right call, this model will not work if the manager is working against the club in that sense. I agree with other posters that we should have either done this in the summer or waited for the inevitable later this season but I applaud the ruthlessness of Walters in the scenario, it is something we have lacked for too long as a club. He has hung his arse out of the window on this one and you can only come to conclusion that he’s done that because he thinks that’s what’s best for the club. Unless of course you believe he is an evil narcissistic wanker….. Or like the owner he hasn't got a fucking clue. Definitely smacks of insecurity that the HC wasn't his man. There should have been either no or minimal difference between the remit of the HC under RM as TD or JW as TD/SD, why was there a different direction?? In fact why have there been so many different directions over the JC years?? |
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Post by nonameface on Sept 30, 2024 15:33:44 GMT
Liked Schumacher and it was wrong to sack him, but against Oxford we were prepared poorly, looked less fit than them and were out thought. It was the worst game Schumacher managed for us so it didn’t surprise me that game was used as the one to see him gone.
Narcis needs games and he has trialled two ways of working, which he will have learned from both. Need to stick with him and the whole set up now for 10 games or so, if it doesn’t work then he could be gone.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 30, 2024 15:40:20 GMT
2 games is clearly too early to write off the style NP wants to adopt but we clearly haven’t got the players for it at the moment. We’ve seen teams with slow build up passing (and pissing) about at the back and unless you’ve got truly gifted footballers as defenders then the opposition will press for a mistake. Southampton are a good example at the moment. We know our squad is disjointed but the supposed better footballers are at the other end of the pitch…Koumas, Milllion, Bae, Moran. Get the ball to them efficiently and quickly, we’re not going to create chances on the edge of our 18 yard box. I know the counter argument…we’ll draw their attack and midfield forward and create spaces for our midfield to exploit behind but we either don’t have the personnel or the way of playing trained in for us to adopt this now. I so want NP to succeed but can they not twin track their training, instilling the possession approach slowly until the current players have learnt and are adept at it or until he’s bought his own players to implement, while working on a way of getting the maximum performance out of the players at his disposal. I get NP has god-forbid “non-negotiables” but surely he can pair it back a bit without go against his footballing principles. We’ve seen with Schumacher, Neil and Mad Nath that when you are under pressure, and another couple of games without a win we will be deep in it, that the atmosphere will be toxic, players will shit it, and what you think you are able to adopt will also go to shit. I seemed to remember Schumacher that you should be looking for every pass to go forward….. NP realise where you are, who you’ve got and who you’re trying to impress. You need to put some wins together very quickly. A fortnight ago I didn’t think we were in danger of going down. Now i can see a difficult season ahead. A win against Pompey will help to settle the ship. Pretty much agree with every paragraph of that post especially about the inevitable results on the players and NP's ability to influence them should the fans turn toxic. We all need to calm down, take a step back and breathe a little bit. OK and if we lose? |
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