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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 30, 2024 15:42:34 GMT
Liked Schumacher and it was wrong to sack him, but against Oxford we were prepared poorly, looked less fit than them and were out thought. It was the worst game Schumacher managed for us so it didn’t surprise me that game was used as the one to see him gone. Narcis needs games and he has trialled two ways of working, which he will have learned from both. Need to stick with him and the whole set up now for 10 games or so, if it doesn’t work then he could be gone. 10 games is 4 games too many, two games after the international break will be enough to see if progress is being made. |
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Post by cokecystfit on Sept 30, 2024 15:49:24 GMT
For me, the right call to sack Schumacher. Firstly, he was nothing special and needed a good run at the end of season because he’d gotten us into a real mess himself after the initial new manager bounce he got. I wasn’t convinced by performances under him, and we didn’t seem to be improving. Oxford away was telling, playing Lyndon Gooch at 10 ffs. We constantly changed shape and style depending on the opposition and had no real defined style or identity, despite a relatively big budget. Added to this, we were woefully short on goals and chances created throughout his tenure - and he never really seemed to make any progress in addressing it. So many shit performances. On top of the above, I think the fact that he came in before we appointed a DOF may have led to some friction in that his expectations over his remit at the outset we no longer consistent with the direction the club (ergo the owner) wanted to take. He was clearly desperate to sign Cundle, and the club I believe wouldn’t sanction it. There may be other examples. Frankly, I think it was the right call, this model will not work if the manager is working against the club in that sense. I agree with other posters that we should have either done this in the summer or waited for the inevitable later this season but I applaud the ruthlessness of Walters in the scenario, it is something we have lacked for too long as a club. He has hung his arse out of the window on this one and you can only come to conclusion that he’s done that because he thinks that’s what’s best for the club. Unless of course you believe he is an evil narcissistic wanker….. Or like the owner he hasn't got a fucking clue. Definitely smacks of insecurity that the HC wasn't his man. There should have been either no or minimal difference between the remit of the HC under RM as TD or JW as TD/SD, why was there a different direction?? In fact why have there been so many different directions over the JC years?? HC = Head Coach RM = Ricky Martin JW = John Walters TD = Technical Director SD = Sports Director JC = John Coates I just need this here to have a crack at reading the original post again. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2024 15:53:26 GMT
Liked Schumacher and it was wrong to sack him, but against Oxford we were prepared poorly, looked less fit than them and were out thought. It was the worst game Schumacher managed for us so it didn’t surprise me that game was used as the one to see him gone. Narcis needs games and he has trialled two ways of working, which he will have learned from both. Need to stick with him and the whole set up now for 10 games or so, if it doesn’t work then he could be gone. Or maybe the players knew he was a goner! If we continue playing as we are other teams have already sussed us out, Hull after half a game, Middlesbrough from the start, just be patient until we fuck it up. They're not pressing our defenders pissing about just waiting for the inevitable mistake or hoof. I'm sure our new head coach is working on it with his massive tactical brain! |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 30, 2024 22:48:33 GMT
No matter how bad it seems, you can’t access a manager on two games. We cannot access the manager based on two games. However, there’s no getting away from the fact that he inherited a squad that isn’t equipped for his preferred style. It’s ground hog day. We have done it every time we hired a new coach/manager since relegation. Changing manager every year is not a long term plan. In retrospect I’d have stuck MON because he got rid of the deadwood and was starting to rebuild. |
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Post by fisty lizard on Sept 30, 2024 23:15:59 GMT
I’d like to think Pelach might tone things down with this new style of play as the defence can’t play the possession stuff well. He needs to play to the existing squads strengths and phase in the new style once he gets the bodies in that suit it.
I remember crazy Nath trying to change the style of play to much with Vokes and Co. and that had dire consequences.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 1, 2024 1:55:58 GMT
I’d like to think Pelach might tone things down with this new style of play as the defence can’t play the possession stuff well. He needs to play to the existing squads strengths and phase in the new style once he gets the bodies in that suit it. I remember crazy Nath trying to change the style of play to much with Vokes and Co. and that had dire consequences. And I seem to recall that Pelach said before he even arrived that he intends to design a way to play for each player to improve individually, play to their strengths and weaknesses and learn a system that works and one where they understand what their role is. (something to that effect). That's why at least a few of us were liking what we had heard out of him. Obviously, the proof will be in the pudding, but that involves cooking time. Granted, the real mystery is how MUCH time will he be given and how much time he CAN be given? And, what is he himself capable of as far as delivering on that promise? My thought is that he has a hell of a lot to do and a relatively short time to get there, but I'm willing to give him that chance before I get the knives out. My greatest concern is recruitment going forward - that it matches what we truly need at the time. |
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Post by Biblical on Oct 1, 2024 6:00:26 GMT
I think it’s a sign of how much expectations have fallen that people think the change wasn’t needed.
We were going nowhere under Schumacher and we’d already had a number of dreadful performances just a few games into the season.
Completely agree that if the hierarchy were minded to get of Schumacher last season he should have gone at the end of it to give someone like Pelach the summer to get his ideas across.
Walters has put him in a difficult position because there’s pretty much no grace period for him because so many are still in thrall to Schumacher for reasons I don’t understand.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 1, 2024 11:56:08 GMT
I think it’s a sign of how much expectations have fallen that people think the change wasn’t needed. We were going nowhere under Schumacher and we’d already had a number of dreadful performances just a few games into the season. Completely agree that if the hierarchy were minded to get of Schumacher last season he should have gone at the end of it to give someone like Pelach the summer to get his ideas across. Walters has put him in a difficult position because there’s pretty much no grace period for him because so many are still in thrall to Schumacher for reasons I don’t understand. I’m no scheuy fan but the stats for his last 10 games don’t suggest he was going nowhere |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 1, 2024 12:59:03 GMT
No matter how bad it seems, you can’t access a manager on two games. We cannot access the manager based on two games. However, there’s no getting away from the fact that he inherited a squad that isn’t equipped for his preferred style. It’s ground hog day. We have done it every time we hired a new coach/manager since relegation. Changing manager every year is not a long term plan. In retrospect I’d have stuck MON because he got rid of the deadwood and was starting to rebuild. Don't forget some of the players he brought here on loan,who are now playing in the Premiership. |
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Post by jokker on Oct 2, 2024 11:42:32 GMT
I’d like to think Pelach might tone things down with this new style of play as the defence can’t play the possession stuff well. He needs to play to the existing squads strengths and phase in the new style once he gets the bodies in that suit it. I remember crazy Nath trying to change the style of play to much with Vokes and Co. and that had dire consequences. Yes, but that's what all our managers have found themselves forced to do. starting with Rowett, he was forced to try and adapt his preferred style with the ill fitting but super popular Bojan, and it brought about his downfall. Jones hardly ever played his new signings and the diamond, because he had to accomodate Rowett's signings, who cared very little for him and it brought about his downfall. AN brought in 18 new players but he still had to accomodate Tymon, THompson et all, and failure to make the team gel brought him down, and Schuhmacher kept chopping and changing the style as well as the names, and he just was chopped himself. All of this is very condensed of course. How is Pelach going to be different, having inherited an unbalanced squad? He might survive a season of traditional British adapted style, but the minute he starts to "phase in the new style once he gets the bodies in that suit it", he will be already be gone, because that's what scfc do. And his replacement, J Terry, will despair trying to make sense of such an unstokian squad. |
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